What is the republican health care plan?

[Harry Dresden]

I read you link. Somehow I was not surprised when the fifth word in the first sentence was "taxes." I notice money seems to be a theme in many of your posts.

What I would like to do is lock you in a nursing home for a month. Let you experience the terror in the faces of those who are about to die. Then I'd like to take you to some of the 46,000,000 who have no health coverage, and show you how some those people are dying. Your greed will turn to stark fear. You won't give a damn how much it costs. Get off your ass, Pencilneck, crunch some numbers and make ObamaCare a happen.

let me ask you something Derek....is the Dems plan going to take care of those people in the nursing homes,or does the guy and his kids have to give everything he owns to the govt to be taken care of?.....just askin....

 

[Derek_Plumber]

So lets me see if I have this straight. We already have the best healthcare in the world. The envy of the world actually.

No you don't have this straight. The World Health Organization has ranked medical care in the United States at number 37 in the world. So, 36 countries are better than us. However, U S health care is the most expensive. You might want to try Google before you write. ObamaCare for all!

 

[Oddball]

And if any organization simply reeks of credibility, it's the U.N.'s W.H.O.!!

 

[Derek_Plumber]

I read you link. Somehow I was not surprised when the fifth word in the first sentence was "taxes." I notice money seems to be a theme in many of your posts.

What I would like to do is lock you in a nursing home for a month. Let you experience the terror in the faces of those who are about to die. Then I'd like to take you to some of the 46,000,000 who have no health coverage, and show you how some those people are dying. Your greed will turn to stark fear. You won't give a damn how much it costs. Get off your ass, Pencilneck, crunch some numbers and make ObamaCare a happen.

let me ask you something Derek....is the Dems plan going to take care of those people in the nursing homes,or does the guy and his kids have to give everything he owns to the govt to be taken care of?.....just askin....

You know, that is a very good question. Why don't you call your Congressman and ask him, then share the results with the USMB. I think others would like to know as well!

 

[PoliticalChic]

So lets me see if I have this straight. We already have the best healthcare in the world. The envy of the world actually.

No you don't have this straight. The World Health Organization has ranked medical care in the United States at number 37 in the world. So, 36 countries are better than us. However, U S health care is the most expensive. You might want to try Google before you start writing. ObamaCare for all!

Untrue.

The WHO does not collect any of its own data, merely accepts what other countries post.

Further, please ascertain the criteria used to determine the rankings.

Once you remove infant mortalities, the US has mortality rate comparable or suprerior to every other country.

BTW, the '47 million uninsured' is equally untrue.

 

[Derek_Plumber]

No you don't have this straight. The World Health Organization has ranked medical care in the United States at number 37 in the world. So, 36 countries are better than us. However, U S health care is the most expensive. You might want to try Google before you start writing. ObamaCare for all!

Untrue.

The WHO does not collect any of its own data, merely accepts what other countries post.

Further, please ascertain the criteria used to determine the rankings.

Once you remove infant mortalities, the US has mortality rate comparable or suprerior to every other country.

BTW, the '47 million uninsured' is equally untrue.

Where did you go to college? Tell me so I can take it off my son's potential list. I am so tired of spending time in Google to straighten out the twisted facts of Republican thinking. Here is your link. Yawn.

WHO | World Health Statistics 2008​

 

[Oddball]

Then maybe you should post somewhere else, like stalinistpunks.com.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Untrue.

The WHO does not collect any of its own data, merely accepts what other countries post.

Further, please ascertain the criteria used to determine the rankings.

Once you remove infant mortalities, the US has mortality rate comparable or suprerior to every other country.

BTW, the '47 million uninsured' is equally untrue.

Where did you go to college? Tell me so I can take it off my son's potential list. I am so tired of spending time in Google to straighten out the twisted facts of Republican thinking.
Here is your link dead party member.

WHO | World Health Statistics 2008

OMG- we're too late!

You've already mated and bred!

But, good news. You don't have to 'take it off my son's potential list'... you don't have a shot.

 

[DiveCon]

Where did you go to college? Tell me so I can take it off my son's potential list. I am so tired of spending time in Google to straighten out the twisted facts of Republican thinking. Here is your link. Yawn.

WHO | World Health Statistics 2008​

you are too fucking stupid to even understand what she told you

 

[jreeves]

More at....Obamacare: A Health Care Rationing Scheme to Enrich Insurers, Drug Companies and Large Hospital Chains
The administration and lawmakers have been unresponsive in moving ahead with House and Senate legislation to enrich health insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains. It will ration care, curb expensive treatments and surgeries for those who can't afford them, leave millions in the country uncovered, deny it altogether to undocumented immigrants even though they pay income, payroll and other taxes, and claim it's real reform like they always do.

On May 20, S. 1099: Patients' Choice Act was introduced "to provide comprehensive solutions for the health care system of the United States, and for other purposes." It was referred to the Senate Finance and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committees (HELP) for consideration.

The Senate Finance Committee may craft its own version. On July 15 along party lines, HELP voted 13 - 10 to approve a $615 billion Democrat-sponsored bill that's substantially similar to House legislation with provisions that Obama wants.

On July 14, HR 3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 was introduced "To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes." It was referred to the following House committees for consideration: Energy and Commerce, Ways and Means, Education and Labor, Oversight and Government Reform, and Budget.

House and Senate bills stress cost-containing "evidence-based" solutions with Obama appearing on a June 24 ABC News "Questions for the President: Prescription for America" infomercial touting his plan to carefully selected reporters and others invited to the White House East Room for a scripted Q & A.

Cutting costs and free-market solutions were emphasized, not real reform stressing human need with Obama saying "If we don't drive down costs, then we're not going to be able to achieve all of those other things." Which ones he didn't say before stressing the need for "evidence-based care," meaning less is better for those unable to pay so that millions will be sacrificed on the alter of cost containment while enriching private insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains that will flourish as community and public ones shut down for lack of enough resources.

Obama was callous in saying "Loading up on additional tests or additional drugs" must be curbed. "Maybe (some would be) better off not having....surgery, but taking (a) painkiller" instead. He showed disdain and indifference in stating that "the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80% of the total health care bill out there" - the inference being ration their care and let 'em die to cut costs.

At the same time, he favored big insurers by saying that "One of the incentives for (them) to get involved in this process is that potentially they're going to have a whole bunch of new customers, paying customers....insurance companies will thrive" under this plan.

As for a "public option" to fill holes, Obama was receptive to alternatives but adamantly against universal single-payer coverage in saying: "For us to completely change our system, root and branch, would be hugely disruptive." Only market-based solutions will be considered along with huge cost-containment measures, mostly affecting millions of working Americans, the poor, elderly, and chronically ill.

Over the next decade, Medicare and Medicaid may lose over $600 billion in funding with recipients, of course, making up the difference or foregoing care. About $317 billion is proposed for "efficiencies" with another $313 billion in cuts for hospitals that treat the poor and uninsured. Many of them are already severely strapped as unemployment soars, charitable donations are down, expenses rise, vital services and staffs have to be cut to stay afloat, and growing numbers won't make it as economic conditions worsen.

Instead of helping to fill budget gaps, Obama plans less aid to shut them down. It will leave some areas dependent on more distant ones for treatment, and let large chains consolidate for greater dominance. Accessible quality care will be less available and affordable so, of course, patients will lose out - mostly the elderly, chronically ill, those on society's lower rungs, and all working Americans because an uncaring administration and Congress threw them overboard for profit and "efficiencies."

If "Obamacare" passes, most working people, the disadvantaged, and those singled out as less important will experience large rollbacks in quality, readily accessible coverage. For them, future health problems will be more hazardous than ever because a callous nation doesn't care.

Reading the whole article at the link, it looks like it's bashing "Obamacare" for not being enough like single-payer, which would be even more socialistic.

and this part...

The administration and lawmakers have been unresponsive in moving ahead with House and Senate legislation to enrich health insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains. It will ration care, curb expensive treatments and surgeries for those who can't afford them, leave millions in the country uncovered, deny it altogether to undocumented immigrants even though they pay income, payroll and other taxes, and claim it's real reform like they always do.

...seems to suggest that these things aren't already going on with the insurance-, Big Pharma- and large hospital chain-dominated system we have now.

The point of the article is that Obamacare isn't concerned about saving the uninsured or driving costs down for health care consumers. The only result that Obamacare is concerned with is to enrich Hospitals, Big Pharma and health insurers. At least if you are going to socialize the health care industry at least protect the health care consumer don't sell out to Big Health Care.

 

[Darkwind]

If the Republicans get a Healthcare plan, I'll be opposed to that plan as well.

Any plan that involves government is a failed plan from the moment it hits paper.

 

[ozzmdj]

Still waiting to read ALL the Socialist Parties health care plan......you know the one you drones have not read yet and never will.

 

[jreeves]

More at....Obamacare: A Health Care Rationing Scheme to Enrich Insurers, Drug Companies and Large Hospital Chains
The administration and lawmakers have been unresponsive in moving ahead with House and Senate legislation to enrich health insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains. It will ration care, curb expensive treatments and surgeries for those who can't afford them, leave millions in the country uncovered, deny it altogether to undocumented immigrants even though they pay income, payroll and other taxes, and claim it's real reform like they always do.

On May 20, S. 1099: Patients' Choice Act was introduced "to provide comprehensive solutions for the health care system of the United States, and for other purposes." It was referred to the Senate Finance and Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committees (HELP) for consideration.

The Senate Finance Committee may craft its own version. On July 15 along party lines, HELP voted 13 - 10 to approve a $615 billion Democrat-sponsored bill that's substantially similar to House legislation with provisions that Obama wants.

On July 14, HR 3200: America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 was introduced "To provide affordable, quality health care for all Americans and reduce the growth in health care spending, and for other purposes." It was referred to the following House committees for consideration: Energy and Commerce, Ways and Means, Education and Labor, Oversight and Government Reform, and Budget.

House and Senate bills stress cost-containing "evidence-based" solutions with Obama appearing on a June 24 ABC News "Questions for the President: Prescription for America" infomercial touting his plan to carefully selected reporters and others invited to the White House East Room for a scripted Q & A.

Cutting costs and free-market solutions were emphasized, not real reform stressing human need with Obama saying "If we don't drive down costs, then we're not going to be able to achieve all of those other things." Which ones he didn't say before stressing the need for "evidence-based care," meaning less is better for those unable to pay so that millions will be sacrificed on the alter of cost containment while enriching private insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains that will flourish as community and public ones shut down for lack of enough resources.

Obama was callous in saying "Loading up on additional tests or additional drugs" must be curbed. "Maybe (some would be) better off not having....surgery, but taking (a) painkiller" instead. He showed disdain and indifference in stating that "the chronically ill and those toward the end of their lives are accounting for potentially 80% of the total health care bill out there" - the inference being ration their care and let 'em die to cut costs.

At the same time, he favored big insurers by saying that "One of the incentives for (them) to get involved in this process is that potentially they're going to have a whole bunch of new customers, paying customers....insurance companies will thrive" under this plan.

As for a "public option" to fill holes, Obama was receptive to alternatives but adamantly against universal single-payer coverage in saying: "For us to completely change our system, root and branch, would be hugely disruptive." Only market-based solutions will be considered along with huge cost-containment measures, mostly affecting millions of working Americans, the poor, elderly, and chronically ill.

Over the next decade, Medicare and Medicaid may lose over $600 billion in funding with recipients, of course, making up the difference or foregoing care. About $317 billion is proposed for "efficiencies" with another $313 billion in cuts for hospitals that treat the poor and uninsured. Many of them are already severely strapped as unemployment soars, charitable donations are down, expenses rise, vital services and staffs have to be cut to stay afloat, and growing numbers won't make it as economic conditions worsen.

Instead of helping to fill budget gaps, Obama plans less aid to shut them down. It will leave some areas dependent on more distant ones for treatment, and let large chains consolidate for greater dominance. Accessible quality care will be less available and affordable so, of course, patients will lose out - mostly the elderly, chronically ill, those on society's lower rungs, and all working Americans because an uncaring administration and Congress threw them overboard for profit and "efficiencies."

If "Obamacare" passes, most working people, the disadvantaged, and those singled out as less important will experience large rollbacks in quality, readily accessible coverage. For them, future health problems will be more hazardous than ever because a callous nation doesn't care.

Reading the whole article at the link, it looks like it's bashing "Obamacare" for not being enough like single-payer, which would be even more socialistic.

and this part...

The administration and lawmakers have been unresponsive in moving ahead with House and Senate legislation to enrich health insurers, Big Pharma, and large hospital chains. It will ration care, curb expensive treatments and surgeries for those who can't afford them, leave millions in the country uncovered, deny it altogether to undocumented immigrants even though they pay income, payroll and other taxes, and claim it's real reform like they always do.

...seems to suggest that these things aren't already going on with the insurance-, Big Pharma- and large hospital chain-dominated system we have now.

The point of the article is that Obamacare isn't concerned about saving the uninsured or driving costs down for health care consumers. The only result that Obamacare is concerned with is to enrich Hospitals, Big Pharma and health insurers. At least if you are going to socialize the health care industry at least protect the health care consumer don't sell out to Big Health Care.

Just imagine the shitards had the audacity to refer to the metally disabled as retarded in the House bill. What a bunch of insensitive bastards we have representing us in the House.

 

[Darkwind]

Still waiting to read ALL the Socialist Parties health care plan......you know the one you drones have not read yet and never will.

http://docs.house.gov/edlabor/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf

Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)

 

[Harry Dresden]

You know, that is a very good question. Why don't you call your Congressman and ask him, then share the results with the USMB. I think others would like to know as well!

the reason i am asking is because NO ONE i have heard, is addressing the real seriously sick or physically disabled and the elderly who may need help,like a home for some....many,i believe,think that they will be covered....the pro-UHC people are throwing all the negatives about private Ins. around...and shouting about all the positives about the UHC plan....they make it seem like no matter what is wrong with you now or in the future....YOUR COVERED....and i dont believe they will be....many are going to be surprised....the people amongst us who are in need of daily professonal care,are going to find....there will be no difference in a private plan or the public plan....so to them .....THEY ARE STILL UP SHIT CREEK....

 

[oreo]

The problem with Obama's health care plan.

He can't even get democrats to vote for it. Obama has a democrat filibuster proof senate & more than 2 to 1 democrat majority in the congress & I doubt his health care bill goes anywhere.

You can't blame republicans for this.

 

[DiveCon]

The problem with Obama's health care plan.

He can't even get democrats to vote for it. Obama has a democrat filibuster proof senate & more than 2 to 1 democrat majority in the congress & I doubt his health care bill goes anywhere.

You can't blame republicans for this.

its not 2 to 1 in the house
but it doesn't need to be
they do have a substantial majority though

 

[JimH52]

In 10 years, after you retire and you can no longer afford health care, remember the sone walling and the "Waterloo" statement. The party of NO is still the party of NO.

The GOP is not interested in drafting a better health care reform plan. They are only interested in slamming Obama. They are putting the Party above the Country. EXCELLENT!

 

[Gunny]

Is this the Republican Plan for health care. Just put a Band Aid on it, and maybe it will go away.​

Get a job and buy some health insurance. Not all that difficult a concept to grasp, really.

 

[editec]

Is this the Republican Plan for health care. Just put a Band Aid on it, and maybe it will go away.​

Get a job and buy some health insurance. Not all that difficult a concept to grasp, really.

How the fuck would you know?

Like me, you are a beneficiary of a fully socialized HC system.