What is scary or offensive to you about Islam?

[Mojo2]

What is scary or offensive to you about Islam?

Why do you hate it or fear it or object to it?

What bothers me most about Islam is the compulsory nature of it.

It intends to gain control over all the other religions and governments and laws and I don't want to be told what I must do by Muslims who believe they are better than I because they are Muslim.

 

[R.C. Christian]

Hate? no.
Fear? no.
Offensive? A little.

Do I want them around? Not really as a general rule. The reason is quite simple: We don't need America's foreign policy fuck ups to seed discontent within the ranks of Muslims in the future so that they become radicalized. They'll be marginalized on the fringes of society anyway, like blacks and Hispanics, hence, it would be very easy for someone to radicalize them. We've seen this in Europe.

 

[Gracie]

The extremists.

 

[MaryL]

Fishing, isn't this? Please. Hamas blows up American 241 marines in Beirut. Later, they rocket Israel. Al Qaeda attacks America on 9/11, kills over 3 thousand innocent people, are you kidding me? OK, what has ISLAM done that is positive for the world? It's always negative harmful stuff. They blow up a thousand year old Buddhist shrines and Christian churches and schools, WHAT GOOD DOES ISLAM DO? WHAT?

 

[NLT]

What is scary or offensive to you about Islam?

No Bacon
No Pork Ribs
No Ham

Beheading infidels

 

[September]

We should build a massive colliseum here in America and force Muslims and Christians to fight to the death. Jews, Catholics... all the "followers" of the religions that worship God.

Eventually they will realize that they shouldn't be hating each other, and maybe then they will appreciate one another as they truly should. Then they could be freed and allowed to begin anew.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

What is scary or offensive to you about Islam?

Why do you hate it or fear it or object to it?

What bothers me most about Islam is the compulsory nature of it.

It intends to gain control over all the other religions and governments and laws and I don't want to be told what I must do by Muslims who believe they are better than I because they are Muslim.

How many Muslims there are.

No shortage of violent crazy cults with only a few dozen members, but Islam has about 1.5 billion. Even though the vast majority aren't violent, or crazy, there's still an awful lot subscribing to a religion that seems to lend itself very easily to extremist tendencies and violent subjugation.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

We should build a massive colliseum here in America and force Muslims and Christians to fight to the death. Jews, Catholics... all the "followers" of the religions that worship God.

Eventually they will realize that they shouldn't be hating each other, and maybe then they will appreciate one another as they truly should. Then they could be freed and allowed to begin anew.

US is disturbingly like ancient Rome enough as it is.

 

[Mojo2]

We should build a massive colliseum here in America and force Muslims and Christians to fight to the death. Jews, Catholics... all the "followers" of the religions that worship God.

Eventually they will realize that they shouldn't be hating each other, and maybe then they will appreciate one another as they truly should. Then they could be freed and allowed to begin anew.

Goddess, it's not ALL the religions nor all of the religionists who are doing the hating.

It's the ___________

Go ahead, say it.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Mojo, interestingly one of my favorite things about any religons comes from Islam and is mentioned in your OP.

"There should be no compulsion in religion."

Seems their extremists didn't get that memo.


"Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]

One of the fundamental truths established by the sacred texts is that no one can be compelled to accept Islam. It is the duty of Muslims to establish the proof of Islam to the people so that truth can be made clear from falsehood. After that, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever wishes to continue upon unbelief may do so. No one should be threatened or harmed in any way if he does not wish to accept Islam.

This verse is decisive in establishing that each person has the right to make his or her own choice about embracing Islam. There is other equally decisive evidence in the Qur’an, among which are the following verses:

Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]

Allah says: “So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah’s sight are all of His servants.” [Sûrah Âl `Imrân: 20]

Allah says: “The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 99] "
?Let there be no compulsion in religion.? | IslamToday - English

 

[MDiver]

If a Muslim considers him/herself to be a true Muslim, he/she has to believe that every word in the Quran is the true word of a deity (I always find it interesting that some yahoo walks out of the desert, or out of a cave and says that a deity or angel spoke to them and the gullible public just eats it up if what they are saying appeals to them, i.e., in the case of Islam: multiple wives, sex with little girls, raping needs four "male" witnesses, chopping off appendages, killing wantonly for anyone different or leaving the flock). That "true" Muslim, per the Quran, cannot have non-believers for friends, for he that is friends with the people of the book (Christians), is of them.
Those individuals who left the Islamic nations and dropped Islam as a faith (warranting death per Islam), have been warning the west to struggle against Islam for years now and being ignored by bleeding-heart liberals, as well as their governments. Aayan Hirsi Ali (ex-Muslim and public speaker) has defined a radical Muslim as the one cutting your throat, while the moderate Muslim is the holding you down.
France has no-go zones in their own country, because of Muslim violence. Non-Muslim citizens in London are harrassed by Muslims about their attire and threatened.
Christians in Islamic nations are threatened, murdered and their churches destroyed and still the west just sits there with their blinders on, preferring to see nothing.
If I had millions of dollars, I'd be funding weaponry to heavily arm the Christians and other non-Muslims in those lands because they sure aren't going to get any help from the western governments.

 

[MikeK]

My father's Army unit was one of those that relieved the Marines on Guadalcanal and performed the inland "mop-up" during which they encountered four Banzai charges. There was something about the way he described those suicidal attacks that stuck with me. He would say there is nothing more scary than someone who is ready and willing to die just to kill you. He said if that won't make you piss your pants, nothing will.

The thing that stood out most about the 9/11 attack are the nineteen healthy young shahids who were willing to sacrifice their own lives just to strike at us. That bizarre reality is difficult for the Western mind to comprehend. There is something very mystical about it and I'm not ashamed to say it scares the hell out of me.

That reality is why I am so anxious for the U.S. to get the hell out of the Middle East and draw a red line between us and those fanatical Islamists. We need to leave them alone and let them go on killing each other off as they've done for centuries. Because if we don't there will be more 9/11s. I have no doubt of that and it does worry me.

In the simplest terms, I do not fuck with someone who is ready to die. That is truly scary, because they will do things we are incapable of anticipating.

 

[shart_attack]

Hate is a strong word.

I'm not sure that I hate Islam.

I'm not sure that I hate its adherents.

I'm not even sure that I hate its naive and/ or manipulative apologists, many of whom may not even themselves be Muslims.

But I can say with certainty that I hate anyone who thinks he can kill my fellow Americans and my Jewish friends worldwide in the name of Islam and get away with it.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

My father's Army unit was one of those that relieved the Marines on Guadalcanal and performed the inland "mop-up" during which they encountered four Banzai charges. There was something about the way he described those suicidal attacks that stuck with me. He would say there is nothing more scary than someone who is ready and willing to die just to kill you. He said if that won't make you piss your pants, nothing will.

The thing that stood out most about the 9/11 attack are the nineteen healthy young shahids who were willing to sacrifice their own lives just to strike at us. That bizarre reality is difficult for the Western mind to comprehend. There is something very mystical about it and I'm not ashamed to say it scares the hell out of me.

That reality is why I am so anxious for the U.S. to get the hell out of the Middle East and draw a red line between us and those fanatical Islamists. We need to leave them alone and let them go on killing each other off as they've done for centuries. Because if we don't there will be more 9/11s. I have no doubt of that and it does worry me.

In the simplest terms, I do not fuck with someone who is ready to die. That is truly scary, because they will do things we are incapable of anticipating.

Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, militarily, suicide attacks make a lot of sense. If rushing in guns blazing is gonna get you killed anyway, sneak in and detonate an explosive. You're gonna die either way, but one's a lot more certain of success.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

I don't hate religions, but I'm not fond of many religious people. As religions go, I actually like Islam a lot more than I do Christianity. Probably the whole one god thing vs trinity idea.

 

[shart_attack]

I don't hate religions, but I'm not fond of many religious people. As religions go, I actually like Islam a lot more than I do Christianity. Probably the whole one god thing vs trinity idea.

Yeah, well, I sure as shinola don't understand why, Sherlock.

D'you honestly think you'd get away with penning a thread like this ...

http://www.usmessageboard.com/healt...es-pornography-harm-children-who-view-it.html

... in an Islamic nation?

I'm pretty sure you know the answer to that, sport.

 

[MikeK]

Playing Devil's Advocate for a moment, militarily, suicide attacks make a lot of sense. If rushing in guns blazing is gonna get you killed anyway, sneak in and detonate an explosive. You're gonna die either way, but one's a lot more certain of success.

While that might be true for one who is innately suicide prone I would think the ability to ignore the most powerful of all human impulses, self-preservation, is easier said than done.

 

[MikeK]

I don't hate religions, but I'm not fond of many religious people. As religions go, I actually like Islam a lot more than I do Christianity. Probably the whole one god thing vs trinity idea.

I don't know enough about Islam to discuss this on the basis of comparison.

As a baptized and confirmed Catholic having attended Catholic school and now a fully determined atheist, I believe Christianity, especially Catholicism, promotes authoritarian/submissive disposition. But it seems Islam tends to override the human impulse for self-preservation, which, like Shintoism, effects mass hypnosis and is therefore very dangerous.

 

[Mojo2]

Mojo, interestingly one of my favorite things about any religons comes from Islam and is mentioned in your OP.

"There should be no compulsion in religion."

Seems their extremists didn't get that memo.


"Allah says: “Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.” [Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256]

One of the fundamental truths established by the sacred texts is that no one can be compelled to accept Islam. It is the duty of Muslims to establish the proof of Islam to the people so that truth can be made clear from falsehood. After that, whoever wishes to accept Islam may do so and whoever wishes to continue upon unbelief may do so. No one should be threatened or harmed in any way if he does not wish to accept Islam.

This verse is decisive in establishing that each person has the right to make his or her own choice about embracing Islam. There is other equally decisive evidence in the Qur’an, among which are the following verses:

Allah says: “If it had been your Lord’s will, all of the people on Earth would have believed. Would you then compel the people so to have them believe?” [Sûrah Yûnus: 99]

Allah says: “So if they dispute with you, say ‘I have submitted my whole self to Allah, and so have those who follow me.’ And say to the People of the Scripture and to the unlearned: ‘Do you also submit yourselves?’ If they do, then they are on right guidance. But if they turn away, your duty is only to convey the Message. And in Allah’s sight are all of His servants.” [Sûrah Âl `Imrân: 20]

Allah says: “The Messenger’s duty is but to proclaim the Message.” [Sûrah al-Mâ’idah: 99] "
?Let there be no compulsion in religion.? | IslamToday - English

The texts can say whatever they do.

All I know is that there is a very thin line, almost imperceptible, between compulsion and a non-Muslim suddenly getting the intense desire to become a convert to Islam when a friendly note comes to his door telling him his family will be killed unless he moves out or converts.

 

[Mojo2]

My father's Army unit was one of those that relieved the Marines on Guadalcanal and performed the inland "mop-up" during which they encountered four Banzai charges. There was something about the way he described those suicidal attacks that stuck with me. He would say there is nothing more scary than someone who is ready and willing to die just to kill you. He said if that won't make you piss your pants, nothing will.

The thing that stood out most about the 9/11 attack are the nineteen healthy young shahids who were willing to sacrifice their own lives just to strike at us. That bizarre reality is difficult for the Western mind to comprehend. There is something very mystical about it and I'm not ashamed to say it scares the hell out of me.

That reality is why I am so anxious for the U.S. to get the hell out of the Middle East and draw a red line between us and those fanatical Islamists. We need to leave them alone and let them go on killing each other off as they've done for centuries. Because if we don't there will be more 9/11s. I have no doubt of that and it does worry me.

In the simplest terms, I do not fuck with someone who is ready to die. That is truly scary, because they will do things we are incapable of anticipating.

I agree with your points.

However, how much time do you think we will buy ourselves from being the unquestioned #1 target of Islamist aggression by hiding in our corners of the World, never to set foot in THEIR part of the World...that part of the World you would just cede them?

How long before we have to face the inevitable, in your opinion?

And what about OUR Global interests and reputation in the meantime?