What is it that lead you to conservatism or liberalism?

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    As you all know, I am a staunch conservative Republican.

    What led me to conservatism?

    My:
    Christian faith (THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LIBERAL CHRISTIAN)
    Love for this great nation
    My sense of moral decency
    My COMMON SENSE

    Anyone else?
     
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    don't take this too personally as I wave the BS flag for this particular statement, k?
     
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    seriously. Your political views and your faith usually cross paths at some point in time. But i usually separate the 2 when i can. I use my faith as a base. But it is not the be all and end all of my political persuasion.

    Liberals can be Christians just like Conservatives can be atheists. One opinion on a singular topic does not change a person's complete faith. Thus is my opinion.
     
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    Chritianity played a part for me as well. I am very pro life and it just doesn't seem to me that abortion fits into Christianity very well. JMO
    I have also always felt that conservatives/Republicans were very patriotic people. My dad is like that-loves the U.S.A. and I think he influenced me a lot with that when I was young without him even knowing it.

    I also just always agreed with them .While I was growing up and through my teen years,I just felt the Repubs/Cons. were tougher on crime and I liked the fact they wanted lower taxes. I also beieve they are stronger when it comes to national defense.

    All in all,I agreed with them on everything,and Libs on just about nothing.
     
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    A guy could almost write an essay on this. I'll try to keep this as short as possible.

    I am a product of my environment. I grew up and have always lived in, (except for college) in northern Minnesota. I would say 80% of what of i believe comes from my Dad. He grew up an outdoorsman (hunting, fishing, etc.) thus i grew up an ourdoorsman. I stil enjoy hunting and fishing. I would say i come from a middle class family though many would say we are rich. my dad is self made man so to speak. He is a veternarian making in the lower half of the six digit range. My first real experience with knowing where my ideology was had to be when i applied to college. i wanted to attend a private school in MN. that at the time was about 23,000 a year. I applied merit scholarships and federal aid. Becasue of my parents income and the fact that I had a college savings account we got almost nothing for federal aid. I worked in college to supplement my tution. my parents, according to the gov't, made too much too qualify for fed aid and because of the very fact that we did save for college. the liberal system does not award people for actually saving money for the future. If we could do it again we would not save a dime then we would've gotten fed aid.

    I am a conservative because I believe in hard work and that the only person responsible for you, is you. I don't believe liberalism awards hard work. I think liberals get caught up in emotions and are not objective. They use words like "I feel this" or "i feel that" and they don't consult there brains to see if what they feel makes sense.


    The other 20% of why I am a conservative is from books i've read. If i had to say how i want to live me life, the way society should be, and how the country should be run I would say "here read this book." That book would be "Atlus Shrugged" by Ayn Rand. There are plenty of theories out there about how socities should be developed and even though this book is fictional it is the most compelling one i have read.
     
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    GOP Guy:

    Im finding this post extremely egotistical bordering on prejudiced, as well as completely un-researched and absolutely unfounded.

    First, Im not a liberal - so dont even think about going off on a tangent about how my words are not worthy to pay any attention to. Here is a clue - They are. If youre truly as smart as you say you are, and as I believe that you truly are, then you will listen and listen well.

    I know of what I speak. I know the bible up, down, front and backwards better than most because I minored in both theology and theosophy. Actually, thats not why. I studied it in college when obtaining my phd, but I KNOW it because of personal study and beleif in a higher power. Belief that every person is created equal and loved equally by God. Belief that Jesus Christ existed and IS the Son of God - belief that one day, the goodness of the Light of God can touch even the darkest corners of this planet.

    Im so disgusted and tired of this judgement on who is a Christian and who is not, as well as the reasons behind WHY its being given in the first place.

    What is a Christian? A Christian is one who strives to be Christ-like (literal definition if your looking at rootword and suffixes)...a person that accepts the reality of Christ into their heart and soul and honors that - am I correct? Yes I am.

    How Christ-like is it of you to make such a blanket statemetn that so blatantly attacks and demeans the spiritual beliefs of another? Not so much.......or so it would seem.

    Your spoke of your high standard morals. Why would you assume that a liberal or anyone else either would or would not have decent, good morals as well? And what gave you the right of omnipotence to be the one to even cast such a juggement and use the word Christian in the same sentence. This is what I would like to know.....really.

    I would like to know it respectfully, truthfully, realistically and from your heart. However, I will say....do NOT try to take me to task on this in a crappy or childish way, son. You wont win. Speak respectfully, intelligently and with integrity and I give you my solemn promise that I will return that favor.
     
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    Okay:
    Liberals support abortion, the RCC, and all other Christians consider this murder, so does every other religion on earth that i know of.

    Liberals support the seperation of church and state, this country was founded a Judeo-Christian nation, there's nothing about that "seperation" in the constitution.

    Liberals support gay marriage and gays as ministers and such, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN, SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE.

    Liberals support "under God" being taken out of our Pledge of Allegiance.

    Any real Bible going Christian is a conservative.

    Don't take this personally either, I respect you and all, just those don't sound very Christian to me.
     
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    I just said that Christians tend to have good morals, I never said that I believe all libs lack morals and values.

    I refer you to the earlier post I made to DK.
     
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    are you sure about that?
     
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    How, in being a Christian, can you make the statement, 'There cannot be a Liberal Christian'? (i know that isnt the exact words you used, but tit for tat - it serves the purpose)
     

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