What do you think of this idea?; can you find anything bad about it?

[BlackSand]

Children don't always know what to do...if they did the abuse wouldn't go on.
There needs to be someone mature looking out for children (who are not mature) to help them if they are being abused.

If you can teach little children how to put on condoms in Health class ... Then I think it safe to say they can handle a phone number to a Help Line.

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[emilynghiem]

It is a HUGE - GIANT - MASSIVE - MONUMENTALLY - bad idea.
I don't even think it needs explanation.

What's bad about it?...done right by people trained to do it right, IT WOULD SAVE YOUNG GIRLS FROM BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED & STOP ADULT PREDATORS WHO PREY ON CHILDREN...

No it wouldn't. Children who are abused are usually very tough to get info from. They have learned the hard way what happens when they do something their parents don;t like.
On the other hand, small children who are not abused, but rather simply pissed at their parents, tend to exaggerate problems at home. At the same time there are children who love attention, and see right away the attention they get from these people.
There is a good reason why CPS agencies have so many, many, many complaints against them. They notoriously create BIG problems where none exist.
They are poorly trained, poorly paid and over exuberant. And many a social services employee begins in CPS.

Another thing is some of these people plant the seed in the mind and the nurture it and the first thing you know you have abuse where none exists

SassyIrishLass
1. the deep spiritual counseling and mediation required to address such cases
can also weed out all the false denials and projections in the same process
2. what happened to holding people accountable for false statements, slander and libel?
If this is part of the stipulations, teaching people that lying or destroying someone's reputation
means either that kid or the legal guardian will incur financial or social restitution owed,
that should be made clear and agreed upon, up front, by the community members committing to the system they set up.
Good point, and should be written out legally what are the responsibilities,
both for NOT reporting abuses, NOT reporting addictions or illness that posed a risk,
and/or falsely reporting abuse if this doesn't apply. All that should be included in the counseling and review/corrections process.

 

[emilynghiem]

What's bad about it?...done right by people trained to do it right, IT WOULD SAVE YOUNG GIRLS FROM BEING SEXUALLY ABUSED & STOP ADULT PREDATORS WHO PREY ON CHILDREN...

You DO grasp that a child is more likely to be molested by a teacher than any other person, including Catholic priests, right? Parents are at the bottom of the risk list.

Uncensored2008 why can't the same programs cover all such abuses, and/or reported RISKS of sick/addictive/abusive behavior to get assessed and addressed. Regardless if children or adults, parents students staff or teachers are responsible.

 

[OKTexas]

This just proves how little you really know about the subject. Children are usually removed from the home when there is an abuse allegation. If you think having to hire lawyers just to get your kids back won't turn the lives of an average person on it's head, you don't know much and just maybe you should keep your opinions to yourself until you educate yourself on the subject.

So what is more important, the adult's money or children's safety?...you are saying don't help children being abused because someone might have to pay for a lawyer. You are the one with a problem here...who cares what happens to an adult if a child is being sexually abused?

God, you must be a fucking commiecrat, the discussion was on false allegations. BTW the premise of you post is BS from the get, because the stat is 20% of women will experience sexual abuse in their life time, not 20% of school girls. But carry on in your fantasy land like all good commiecrats do and make up shit as you go along. I'm done with your childishness.

 

[BlackSand]

Why not just have kids removed at birth and raised by the state? Gubmint is the real mommy and daddy anyway.... Learn to love Big Brother.

If schools spent more time teaching children the material they are supposed to be teaching them ... Instead of playing around with the damn social engineering all the time ... Then maybe we wouldn't be close to the bottom of the list on the Student Performance International Academic Scale.

These jokers are so shortsighted they don't understand that their actions and desires do more to harm every child than help anyone.

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[emilynghiem]

Why not just have kids removed at birth and raised by the state? Gubmint is the real mommy and daddy anyway.... Learn to love Big Brother.

If schools spent more time teaching children the material they are supposed to be teaching them ... Instead of playing around with the damn social engineering all the time ... Then maybe we wouldn't be close to the bottom of the list on the International Academic Scale.

These jokers are so shortsighted they don't understand that their actions and desires do more to harm every child than help anyone.

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BlackSand why not have both, why not teach the curricula and also train teachers, students and parents in the greater community how to address and resolve conflicts or issues of abuse with constructive counseling and assistance
that SAVES relationships and builds community. Why this either/or business? Why can't the community work together and design and decide on the education and training/services to offer using the same resources?

 

[BlackSand]

BlackSand why not have both, why not teach the curricula and also train teachers, students and parents in the greater community how to address and resolve conflicts or issues of abuse with constructive counseling and assistance
that SAVES relationships and builds community. Why this either/or business? Why can't the community work together and design and decide on the education and training/services to offer using the same resources?

How about they do their damn job ... And then worry about what other crap they want to add.
They fail at teaching the children ... And you want to let them stick their nose into something else they can screw up.

Yeah, Right ... Brilliant Idea!

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[Uncensored2008]

Uncensored2008 why can't the same programs cover all such abuses, and/or reported RISKS of sick/addictive/abusive behavior to get assessed and addressed. Regardless if children or adults, parents students staff or teachers are responsible.

I'm not sure what you're asking.

I find the concept of the state as Oberfuhrer of parents, who will come fishing for "abuse" a couple of times a year to be horrifying, something I would take up arms to prevent.

 

[emilynghiem]

BlackSand why not have both, why not teach the curricula and also train teachers, students and parents in the greater community how to address and resolve conflicts or issues of abuse with constructive counseling and assistance
that SAVES relationships and builds community. Why this either/or business? Why can't the community work together and design and decide on the education and training/services to offer using the same resources?

How about they do their damn job ... And then worry about what other crap they want to add.
They fail at teaching the children ... And you want to let them stick their nose into something else they can screw up.

Yeah, Right ... Brilliant Idea!

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Hi BlackSand 1. wouldn't an abuse screening program screen out bad teachers who have abuse issues?
2. And this doesn't mean the SAME teachers do counseling/mediation as teach the core subjects.
3. The students can be mentored to do peer counseling, and trained counselors/mediators
can assist with that, working with "school counselors" already in place.
4. Why not take a more PROACTIVE PREVENTATIVE role instead of counselors only responding afterwards?

the counselors are already at schools and are separate from the teachers.

 

[emilynghiem]

Uncensored2008 why can't the same programs cover all such abuses, and/or reported RISKS of sick/addictive/abusive behavior to get assessed and addressed. Regardless if children or adults, parents students staff or teachers are responsible.

I'm not sure what you're asking.

I find the concept of the state as Oberfuhrer of parents, who will come fishing for "abuse" a couple of times a year to be horrifying, something I would take up arms to prevent.

1. First the parents and families would be involved in how such a program was set up to AVOID abuses.
If Anonymous didn't have me on ignore, maybe Anon could have replied to my suggestions on that.

2. It isn't a one time or once a year process, and it isn't just about sexual abuse.
the same counseling programs and training can be available for any issues of conflicts or problems.
Teaching and offering assistance to all students, staff or parents with issues that come up.

In that same process, any risk or cause of abuse would be identified and addressed in advance.
This doesn't have to be negative at all if it is set up as conflict resolution and general assistance for any issue.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

The fox in charge of the chicken house....

Former school counselor accused of sexual abuse

Former school counselor accused of sexual abuse - WTVQ

 

[Uncensored2008]

1. First the parents and families would be involved in how such a program was set up to AVOID abuses.
If Anonymous didn't have me on ignore, maybe Anon could have replied to my suggestions on that.

2. It isn't a one time or once a year process, and it isn't just about sexual abuse.
the same counseling programs and training can be available for any issues of conflicts or problems.
Teaching and offering assistance to all students, staff or parents with issues that come up.

In that same process, any risk or cause of abuse would be identified and addressed in advance.
This doesn't have to be negative at all if it is set up as conflict resolution and general assistance for any issue.

Yeah, Stalin had your program.

Certainly one worth taking up arms to prevent. Freedom is worth dying for,

 

[emilynghiem]

1. First the parents and families would be involved in how such a program was set up to AVOID abuses.
If Anonymous didn't have me on ignore, maybe Anon could have replied to my suggestions on that.

2. It isn't a one time or once a year process, and it isn't just about sexual abuse.
the same counseling programs and training can be available for any issues of conflicts or problems.
Teaching and offering assistance to all students, staff or parents with issues that come up.

In that same process, any risk or cause of abuse would be identified and addressed in advance.
This doesn't have to be negative at all if it is set up as conflict resolution and general assistance for any issue.

Yeah, Stalin had your program.

Certainly one worth taking up arms to prevent. Freedom is worth dying for,

WHAT???
Uncensored2008 if all the police agree to follow procedures and enforce the law,
are you saying that is "Stalinish"

Somehow you are assuming this is negative.

You don't think people can come up with a POSITIVE version of Anonymous idea
where they all agree to it, and have addressed and REMOVED any negative problems from it when they developed it together? BEFORE they agreed to it?

Why do you assume ANYONE would even AGREE to such a counseling program unless it was set up safely
and not for anyone to abuse?

 

[BlackSand]

Hi BlackSand 1. wouldn't an abuse screening program screen out bad teachers who have abuse issues?
2. And this doesn't mean the SAME teachers do counseling/mediation as teach the core subjects.
3. The students can be mentored to do peer counseling, and trained counselors/mediators
can assist with that, working with "school counselors" already in place.
4. Why not take a more PROACTIVE PREVENTATIVE role instead of counselors only responding afterwards?

the counselors are already at schools and are separate from the teachers.

If they cannot teach the children the core subjects at an acceptable level ... Why would you give them the opportunity/ responsibility of additional material or activities?

The children cannot read, write or complete complex math problems at a rate better than third world countries.
If you think that makes them qualified to be acceptable peer counselors ... I want some of what you are smoking.

What is the matter with people nowadays?
If you are forester, plant trees and they all die ... You get fired.
If you are teacher and your children are not learning the material at an acceptable level ... They want to make you a counselor as well.

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[emilynghiem]

Sonny Clark and ChrisL
Nobody else reading this thread is posting suggestions in support of how to make it work.
Sonny Clark since you are against the abuse of "immunity" to cover up sex abuse, can you post suggestions to Anon?
Can you help Anon write letters to promote this idea, but in a way that will work and not cause problems as pointed out here.

ChrisL doesn't Anonymous have good ideas? is Anon on ignore so nobody nice and supporting is reading this thread?

 

[Uncensored2008]

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WHAT???
Uncensored2008 if all the police agree to follow procedures and enforce the law,
are you saying that is "Stalinish"

First off, the police don't get to make laws in this nation, the legislature does. Any law that allowed the random intrusion of the state into the affair of the family would violate 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendment protections, so could not stand the light of day.

Children are NOT property of the state, despite what the left wants. The state does NOT have the right or authority to interfere in the family. IF evidence of a crime is presented, then and ONLY then is an investigation warranted.

Somehow you are assuming this is negative.

You don't think people can come up with a POSITIVE version of Anonymous idea
where they all agree to it, and have addressed and REMOVED any negative problems from it when they developed it together? BEFORE they agreed to it?

Why do you assume ANYONE would even AGREE to such a counseling program unless it was set up safely
and not for anyone to abuse?

Enslavement is not positive. Placing apparatchiks as feudal lords to decide the fate of children and parents is far from "good." No parent will agree to have the state decide how they will raise their children, and to have state nanny come and oversee them.

 

[emilynghiem]

Hi BlackSand 1. wouldn't an abuse screening program screen out bad teachers who have abuse issues?
2. And this doesn't mean the SAME teachers do counseling/mediation as teach the core subjects.
3. The students can be mentored to do peer counseling, and trained counselors/mediators
can assist with that, working with "school counselors" already in place.
4. Why not take a more PROACTIVE PREVENTATIVE role instead of counselors only responding afterwards?

the counselors are already at schools and are separate from the teachers.

If they cannot teach the children the core subjects at an acceptable level ... Why would you give them the opportunity/ responsibility of additional material or activities?

The children cannot read, write or complete complex math problems at a rate better than third world countries.
If you think that makes them qualified to be acceptable peer counselors ... I want some of what you are smoking.

What is the matter with people nowadays?
If you are forester, plant trees and they all die ... You get fired.
If you are teacher and your children are not learning the material at an acceptable level ... They want to make you a counselor as well.

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???? BlackSand

Why not HELP teachers focus
by having the ==>COUNSELORS<== do their jobs?

By preventing disruption or interruption with students,
the teachers can teach better. The students can FOCUS on studies.
What a concept!!!

the peer counseling helps student confidence and morale.
they perform better with support.

Look at the NMVI program that turned kids in a poor district with 2/3 having incarcerated parents,
into college-bound students with scholarships:
Smiley High grad who beat odds wins national award - Houston Chronicle

This is an EXTREME case, where even troubled students in a corrupt school district trying to fail them
managed to excel because they had support of family- and community-based programs to SUCCEED.

 

[Sonny Clark]

Sonny Clark and ChrisL
Nobody else reading this thread is posting suggestions in support of how to make it work.
Sonny Clark since you are against the abuse of "immunity" to cover up sex abuse, can you post suggestions to Anon?
Can you help Anon write letters to promote this idea, but in a way that will work and not cause problems as pointed out here.

ChrisL doesn't Anonymous have good ideas? is Anon on ignore so nobody nice and supporting is reading this thread?

Yes. I'll try.

 

[BlackSand]

Sonny Clark and ChrisL
Nobody else reading this thread is posting suggestions in support of how to make it work.
Sonny Clark since you are against the abuse of "immunity" to cover up sex abuse, can you post suggestions to Anon?
Can you help Anon write letters to promote this idea, but in a way that will work and not cause problems as pointed out here.

ChrisL doesn't Anonymous have good ideas? is Anon on ignore so nobody nice and supporting is reading this thread?

It is not a matter of posting suggestions that will make it work ... You just don't call the baker to come fix your plumbing.

It doesn't matter that your plumbing needs fixing ... The baker is not going to be able to do it correctly.
It doesn't mean that you don't want to fix your plumbing if you don't call the baker to come fix it.
How about the baker bakes cakes, the plumber fixes plumbing ... And the teachers teach their students the material they are supposed to be teaching.

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[emilynghiem]

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WHAT???
Uncensored2008 if all the police agree to follow procedures and enforce the law,
are you saying that is "Stalinish"

First off, the police don't get to make laws in this nation, the legislature does. Any law that allowed the random intrusion of the state into the affair of the family would violate 4th, 5th, 9th, and 14th amendment protections, so could not stand the light of day.

Children are NOT property of the state, despite what the left wants. The state does NOT have the right or authority to interfere in the family. IF evidence of a crime is presented, then and ONLY then is an investigation warranted.

Somehow you are assuming this is negative.

You don't think people can come up with a POSITIVE version of Anonymous idea
where they all agree to it, and have addressed and REMOVED any negative problems from it when they developed it together? BEFORE they agreed to it?

Why do you assume ANYONE would even AGREE to such a counseling program unless it was set up safely
and not for anyone to abuse?

Enslavement is not positive. Placing apparatchiks as feudal lords to decide the fate of children and parents is far from "good." No parent will agree to have the state decide how they will raise their children, and to have state nanny come and oversee them.

Uncensored2008 Thanks for your detailed explanation.

NO this isn't about violating those rights, it's about teaching and counseling people
NOT to have their "rights freedom and equal protections violated"
by protecting their "right to security in their persons houses and effects"

If children are being violated they need to learn their rights!

What you are arguing is basically what people NEED to be taught to defend their rights from abuse.
So this IS what we need, THAT level of "civics education on Constitutional protections" and what
are the rights and procedures. All parents, students, citizens etc. need to have an agreement on these
basic rights so NOBODY gets away with violations. EXACTLY!!!