What do normal people - think of Israel?

[cnm]

.... they might pause and wonder if they are doing something wrong.

Normal people know that is not the Israel way.

 

[Kondor3]

Many reasons for those countries to align against Israel.

Yeah, right. Like China.

China is highly pragmatic and goes with the flow.

It routinely sides with whoever has the most people, lining up against a smaller power.

It routinely sides with those who have the natural resources, and will kiss Arab ass with the best of them, to keep a major oil-producing region on decent diplomatic terms.

Therefore, it throws the small guy (Israel) under the bus, and jumps on the bandwagon.

Then again, the Chinese and the Israelis HAVE begun to wheel-and-deal for technology in recent times, haven't they?

Like I said, the Chinese are pragmatists.

When is the last time that you saw the Chinese stand up for The Little Guy - ANY little guy - on the International stage?

It's just not their modus operandi.

 

[Kondor3]

.... they might pause and wonder if they are doing something wrong.

Normal people know that is not the Israel way.

You characters really DO have to get past your delusion that you know what 'normal people' are.

Meanwhile, you're providing some excellent comic relief.

 

[Kondor3]

Hilarious. Israel has informed the UNSecGen that it does not intend to become a state party to the Statute of the Court. I think that is the best indication of the merit of the cases.

They know a stacked deck and a kangaroo court when they see one.

The ICC is one of those places where the pygmies band together to try to pull down the big game.

If and when it ever morphs into something more objective and legitimate, they'll probably get more countries to sign up.

 

[Mindful]

No example can be given for a "Normal Person" because they lack the ability to be interesting and thus pertain no place in the memory.

Urban Dictionary.

 

[Beelzebub]

...Is this REALLY what a decent god would want you to do? Really?...

Probably not. But he hasn't been persecuted and slaughtered for 2000 years, and been kept in Dhimmitude for much of the past 1300 or so in various parts of the Muslim domains, so, he's just gonna have to understand. When the Palestinians get back on their side of the river and acknowledge Israel's right to exist, then we can dissect theological concerns.

When you agree that god's judgement would be against you, and that he too will have to just suck it up, I cannot think you really feel that the international community is wrong, so much as it is to be evaded.

 

[theliq]

U USE SO MANY WORDS TO SAY NUTHIN OF INTEREST?...

Never mind the literary critique, Bubbles.

...Dear dear. Anyway, your "You can't prove nuthin' sucker!" Line on the IDF targeting civilians will not wash. As you admit that terrorizing Palestinians is IDF strategy you again give the game away...

Nonsense.

The Israelis target locations from which rockets and militia operations are launched.

They rarely fire first... they usually engage in return-fire, on a broad and overwhelming scale.

...As pointed out, trying to make peace with Israel is tantamount to surrender...

Correct. The Israelis have won. The Palestinians have lost. The losers should, indeed, surrender.

Time to run-up a white flag, and cut the best Bad Deal that you can, while a narrow window of opportunity still exists.

... Israel just encroaches more until Palestinians are forced to resist again. Every time. As laid out by Throdor Herzel's plan, by Moshe Dayan's strategy and Bibi's policies...

Yep.

This (above) is what they want. Get back on your side of the River and there will be peace.

Or continue to suffer.

Your choice.

Get out.

...You cannot clear out the best part of 6 million Palestinians now, without destroying Israel...

Sure they can. As a matter of fact, clearing-out the best part of 6 million Palestinians now will be the Saving of Israel.

With you on your side of the river (east), and they on theirs (west).

...Therefore they will be a state there, either part of Israel or their own state of Palestine. You cannot stop that...

Please feel free to continue to believe that.

It will make the end of Rump Palestine all the more comical, when the time comes.

...You cannot prevent the erosion of Israel by the corrosive effect of either apartheid or of attempted racial segregation by "homelands" as South Africa tried...

With no Muslim-Arabs in the West Bank, East Jerusalem or Gaza, this will become moot.

...Israel is trying to be a racial / ethnic state, and just cannot do that, any more than Alabama can in the modern world...

In this, they mimic many Islamic states.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

...Your threats to kill and terrorise to achieve this are really very sad, and very desperate...

They're not sad and desperate.

They're not threats.

They're very real, and both historically and presently operative.

Launch rockets at the Israelis and they will phukk you up, at highly-favorable kill-ratios.

Don't fire rockets and you won't get killed in such highly unfavorable proportion.

It's entirely your choice.

So far, you have been choosing poorly, but, that, too, is expected of you.

...Your enemy will be made more ferocious by this...

The Palestinian enemies of Israel are pussies who hide behind the skirts of their women and children.

Not surprising, given the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948.

They were pussies then, and they're pussies today.

..and you will not be able to kill enough to stop them...

Oh, I dunno...the IDF just did a nice job on Hamas, forcing them back to the table with Fatah.

...only to delay. And in the process Israel will destroy all the moral basis for its existence...

I suspect that, like most nations, Israel defines its own moral basis for existence, without help from either you or I.

...It really is time to consider being decent, and considering Palestinian rights as equal to those of Israelis, and greater, where they have been dispossessed of land and water and life by your selfish ambitions...

Sure.

No problem.

Time to compensate the Palestinians for their trouble, then help them to relocate to the east side of the Jordan valley - in Jordan.

...But thank you, once again, for laying your ruthlessness bare for the world to see...

Da nada.

No problem.

People, and nations, usually ARE quite ruthless, in defense of their own, and don't much give a damn who knows it.

Only fools, little children, and pussies who can't hold their own in a fight, as well as a handful of sincere peaceable types, really believe otherwise, in the final analysis.

It's a tough old world out there - money talks, and bullshit walks - those capable of enforcing their will are the ones that survive the test of time.

...Israel is in a pickle, and the courage or desperation of Palestinians - or both - makes it impossible for you to win through...

Again, please feel free to continue believing that. It will grease the wheels, to make the end of Rump Palestine all that much easier, and faster to arrive.

...no matter how much you embrace murder and evil.

It's not the embracing of murder and evil.

It's the embracing of Expulsion for the Palestinians, and the completion of the Reconquista of Eretz Yisrael for the Jews.

And, meanwhile, so long as your foolhardy advocacy clients are stupid enough to think they are going to get a favorable outcome, and continue to try to kill Israels, the IDF will continue to kill your clients, at kill-ratios highly favorable to Israel, so as to discourage your clients insanity, insofar as may be practicable before Expulsion Day.

This was never the boundry line for the proposed Israel at all,this land was never called Jewish Palestine....this is a contradiction in terms......Methinks this was an imagined Zionist inspired (incorrect) map in 1922......but the map is probably a later FAKE...steve

 

[Billo_Really]

Who in competent authority actually says that? (I'm sure that if the Palestinians abrogate the Oslo Accords, that would suit them just fine.)

They're not the ones abrogating it, Israel is.

It is up to the PLO to decide if the Oslo Accords are still in play. If the Oslo Accords are "null and void" then the line that separate Areas "A" - "B" and "C" are erased. What are the consequences of that?

Oh yeah, then what the fuck are 50 Israeli soldiers doing showing up at the home of Palestinian Legislative Council Member and Addameer board member Khalida Jarrar in Ramallah, telling her she may not leave the Jericho district per Israeli Military Order 1651 Article 297 (2009).

Jarrar lives in Ramallah, which according to the Oslo Agreements between the Palestinian Liberation Organization and the occupation, is considered “Area A” and under complete Palestinian control. By allowing Israeli occupying forces to enter Ramallah means that in effect the so-called ‘security co-ordination’ between Palestinian Authority security forces and Israeli occupying forces allowed for the expulsion of an elected representative of the Palestinian people, an elected representative who has continuously called for an end to such ‘coordination’.

Area A is supposed to be under complete Palestinian control. That doesn't look complete to me.

And this should come as no surprise to the Netanfuckyou government.

In 1996 the rightwing Likud returned to power under the leadership of Binyamin Netanyahu...[he] made no effort to conceal his deep antagonism to Oslo, denouncing it as incompatible with Israel's right to security and with the historic right of the Jewish people to the whole land of Israel. And he spent his first three years as PM in a largely successful attempt to arrest, undermine, and subvert the accords concluded by his Labour predecessors.

Oslo faltered and eventually broke down because Likud-led governments negotiated in bad faith.

And if that doesn't convince you...

Settlers from West Bank outposts have taken control of land in Area B and are thus in breach of the 1995 Oslo agreement between Israel and the Palestinians, says Dror Etkes, an anti-settlement activist. Area B was defined in the Oslo Accords as land under Palestinian civil control and Israeli military control.

an aerial photo shows that Israel has violated the agreement signed in Washington in September 1995. One clause states: "All civil powers and responsibilities, including planning and zoning, in Areas A and B set out in Annex III, will be transferred to and assumed by the Council [the Palestinian government] during the first phase of redeployment."

...and if that is not enough, seeing is believing.

 

[theliq]

U USE SO MANY WORDS TO SAY NUTHIN OF INTEREST?...

Never mind the literary critique, Bubbles.

...Dear dear. Anyway, your "You can't prove nuthin' sucker!" Line on the IDF targeting civilians will not wash. As you admit that terrorizing Palestinians is IDF strategy you again give the game away...

Nonsense.

The Israelis target locations from which rockets and militia operations are launched.

They rarely fire first... they usually engage in return-fire, on a broad and overwhelming scale.

...As pointed out, trying to make peace with Israel is tantamount to surrender...

Correct. The Israelis have won. The Palestinians have lost. The losers should, indeed, surrender.

Time to run-up a white flag, and cut the best Bad Deal that you can, while a narrow window of opportunity still exists.

... Israel just encroaches more until Palestinians are forced to resist again. Every time. As laid out by Throdor Herzel's plan, by Moshe Dayan's strategy and Bibi's policies...

Yep.

This (above) is what they want. Get back on your side of the River and there will be peace.

Or continue to suffer.

Your choice.

Get out.

...You cannot clear out the best part of 6 million Palestinians now, without destroying Israel...

Sure they can. As a matter of fact, clearing-out the best part of 6 million Palestinians now will be the Saving of Israel.

With you on your side of the river (east), and they on theirs (west).

...Therefore they will be a state there, either part of Israel or their own state of Palestine. You cannot stop that...

Please feel free to continue to believe that.

It will make the end of Rump Palestine all the more comical, when the time comes.

...You cannot prevent the erosion of Israel by the corrosive effect of either apartheid or of attempted racial segregation by "homelands" as South Africa tried...

With no Muslim-Arabs in the West Bank, East Jerusalem or Gaza, this will become moot.

...Israel is trying to be a racial / ethnic state, and just cannot do that, any more than Alabama can in the modern world...

In this, they mimic many Islamic states.

What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.

...Your threats to kill and terrorise to achieve this are really very sad, and very desperate...

They're not sad and desperate.

They're not threats.

They're very real, and both historically and presently operative.

Launch rockets at the Israelis and they will phukk you up, at highly-favorable kill-ratios.

Don't fire rockets and you won't get killed in such highly unfavorable proportion.

It's entirely your choice.

So far, you have been choosing poorly, but, that, too, is expected of you.

...Your enemy will be made more ferocious by this...

The Palestinian enemies of Israel are pussies who hide behind the skirts of their women and children.

Not surprising, given the Great Arab Skeddadle of 1948.

They were pussies then, and they're pussies today.

..and you will not be able to kill enough to stop them...

Oh, I dunno...the IDF just did a nice job on Hamas, forcing them back to the table with Fatah.

...only to delay. And in the process Israel will destroy all the moral basis for its existence...

I suspect that, like most nations, Israel defines its own moral basis for existence, without help from either you or I.

...It really is time to consider being decent, and considering Palestinian rights as equal to those of Israelis, and greater, where they have been dispossessed of land and water and life by your selfish ambitions...

Sure.

No problem.

Time to compensate the Palestinians for their trouble, then help them to relocate to the east side of the Jordan valley - in Jordan.

...But thank you, once again, for laying your ruthlessness bare for the world to see...

Da nada.

No problem.

People, and nations, usually ARE quite ruthless, in defense of their own, and don't much give a damn who knows it.

Only fools, little children, and pussies who can't hold their own in a fight, as well as a handful of sincere peaceable types, really believe otherwise, in the final analysis.

It's a tough old world out there - money talks, and bullshit walks - those capable of enforcing their will are the ones that survive the test of time.

...Israel is in a pickle, and the courage or desperation of Palestinians - or both - makes it impossible for you to win through...

Again, please feel free to continue believing that. It will grease the wheels, to make the end of Rump Palestine all that much easier, and faster to arrive.

...no matter how much you embrace murder and evil.

It's not the embracing of murder and evil.

It's the embracing of Expulsion for the Palestinians, and the completion of the Reconquista of Eretz Yisrael for the Jews.

And, meanwhile, so long as your foolhardy advocacy clients are stupid enough to think they are going to get a favorable outcome, and continue to try to kill Israels, the IDF will continue to kill your clients, at kill-ratios highly favorable to Israel, so as to discourage your clients insanity, insofar as may be practicable before Expulsion Day.

Kondie,This was never the boundry line for the proposed Israel at all,this land was never called Jewish Palestine....this is a contradiction in terms......Methinks this was an imagined Zionist inspired (incorrect) map in 1922......but the map is probably a later FAKE...steve

 

[Kondor3]

...When you agree that god's judgement would be against you, and that he too will have to just suck it up, I cannot think you really feel that the international community is wrong, so much as it is to be evaded.

No, what I implied was that God might not agree with or approved of their course of action.

Then again, God would not have agreed with the forcing-out and expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Jews from Muslim domains during the 1948-1975 timeframe, and a thousand-and-one other Muslim sins, either, so, I don't think the Israelis have to worry overly much.

Compared to the Muslims, in their historic treatment of the Jews and other Infidels, the Israelis would have to go a long way to catch up, to get the Good Lord as pissed at the Jews, as He is already pissed at the Muslims.

 

[CAPTCHATHIS]

Max Blumenthal describes what he saw in Gaza following a humanitarian ceasefire from last month.
September 26, 2014

....."The atrocities formed an undeniable pattern, suggesting that the crimes committed by Israeli forces in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge were the product of stated military policies, or at least rules of engagement that enabled massacres, summary executions, wholesale residential destruction, the use of civilians as human shields, and abductions. I will describe these atrocities in as much detail as possible and allow the members of the jury to judge for themselves." ......

"..multiple witnesses described soldiers gathering locals in the center of town as they occupied the area on July 23, then asking if anyone spoke Hebrew. When a 54-year-old man stepped forward to answer in the affirmative, they shot him in the heart." .......


"In Khuza’a, just east of Khan Younis, where the most grisly massacres of the war occurred, numerous witnesses told me about a similar incident in which Israeli soldiers gathered male residents in the center of town and asked if anyone spoke Hebrew. I was told by these multiple witnesses that when a middle-aged man stepped forward and answered that he did, he was shot in the chest and killed. These atrocities form a chilling pattern." ....

Israel Is Put on Trial for War Crimes Alternet

 

[theliq]

No example can be given for a "Normal Person" because they lack the ability to be interesting and thus pertain no place in the memory.

Urban Dictionary.

Nice to see you are speaking for yourself Only

 

[Kondor3]

This was never the boundry line for the proposed Israel at all,this land was never called Jewish Palestine....this is a contradiction in terms......Methinks this was an imagined Zionist inspired (incorrect) map in 1922......but the map is probably a later FAKE...steve

Real? Un-real? Historically accurate? Inaccurate? Doesn't really matter. It's what the Israelis want, what they're going to get, and what they've nearly achieved already, if the Palestinians own propaganda maps of a Shrinking Palestine are to be believed - in their own words and imagery. It's a convenient reference point for what is already unfolding.

 

[Kondor3]

Max Blumenthal describes what he saw in Gaza following a humanitarian ceasefire from last month.
September 26, 2014

....."The atrocities formed an undeniable pattern, suggesting that the crimes committed by Israeli forces in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge were the product of stated military policies, or at least rules of engagement that enabled massacres, summary executions, wholesale residential destruction, the use of civilians as human shields, and abductions. I will describe these atrocities in as much detail as possible and allow the members of the jury to judge for themselves." ......

"..multiple witnesses described soldiers gathering locals in the center of town as they occupied the area on July 23, then asking if anyone spoke Hebrew. When a 54-year-old man stepped forward to answer in the affirmative, they shot him in the heart." .......


"In Khuza’a, just east of Khan Younis, where the most grisly massacres of the war occurred, numerous witnesses told me about a similar incident in which Israeli soldiers gathered male residents in the center of town and asked if anyone spoke Hebrew. I was told by these multiple witnesses that when a middle-aged man stepped forward and answered that he did, he was shot in the chest and killed. These atrocities form a chilling pattern." ....

Israel Is Put on Trial for War Crimes Alternet

The horseshit coming off of Alternet is about as reliable as the opinion of a condemned man on the subject of capital punishment.

 

[Mindful]

No example can be given for a "Normal Person" because they lack the ability to be interesting and thus pertain no place in the memory.

Urban Dictionary.

Nice to see you are speaking for yourself Only

Something must have piqued your interest

 

[theliq]

...When you agree that god's judgement would be against you, and that he too will have to just suck it up, I cannot think you really feel that the international community is wrong, so much as it is to be evaded.

No, what I implied was that God might not agree with or approved of their course of action.

Then again, God would not have agreed with the forcing-out and expulsion of hundreds of thousands of Jews from Muslim domains during the 1948-1975 timeframe, and a thousand-and-one other Muslim sins, either, so, I don't think the Israelis have to worry overly much.

Compared to the Muslims, in their historic treatment of the Jews and other Infidels, the Israelis would have to go a long way to catch up, to get the Good Lord as pissed at the Jews, as He is already pissed at the Muslims.

Kondie of all people the Palestinians and Jews got on well for centuries,Christians of various persuasions treated the Jewish people by far the worst,Spain(yet under the Moors the Jews did very well and collaborated with each other,and both went to war against the Christians together),the Russian pograms(many) that dispersed Jews worldwide followed by that tnuc hitler.............the violence between Palestinians and Jews started around 1920 onwards when the Pali's realised the threat of the illegal immigration of Jews in huge numbers(and provocations that insued later)....... that could and did change the balance of Power in this area.......the expulsion of Jews or the leaving of Jews after 1948 from Muslim countries was obviously increased after this time..for obvious reasons....but Jews do still live in some Islamic countries(Judasim sic is the 3rd largest religion in Tunisia for example).......infact the previous leader of Iran,Amajinadan sic was a Jew himself believe or not.

So your summation is not really that accurate,inparticular where the Palestinians are concerned..........trust you and the family are well..steve

 

[theliq]

No example can be given for a "Normal Person" because they lack the ability to be interesting and thus pertain no place in the memory.

Urban Dictionary.

Nice to see you are speaking for yourself Only

Something must have piqued your interest

Yes indeed,that you have actually spoken/written the TRUTH FOR ONCE.

 

[SAYIT]

Max Blumenthal describes what he saw in Gaza following a humanitarian ceasefire from last month.
September 26, 2014

....."The atrocities formed an undeniable pattern, suggesting that the crimes committed by Israeli forces in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge were the product of stated military policies, or at least rules of engagement that enabled massacres, summary executions, wholesale residential destruction, the use of civilians as human shields, and abductions. I will describe these atrocities in as much detail as possible and allow the members of the jury to judge for themselves." ......

Wait ... so Blumenthal noticed the crimes of Hamas during that conflict but blames Israel for them?

 

[CAPTCHATHIS]

Max Blumenthal describes what he saw in Gaza following a humanitarian ceasefire from last month.
September 26, 2014

....."The atrocities formed an undeniable pattern, suggesting that the crimes committed by Israeli forces in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge were the product of stated military policies, or at least rules of engagement that enabled massacres, summary executions, wholesale residential destruction, the use of civilians as human shields, and abductions. I will describe these atrocities in as much detail as possible and allow the members of the jury to judge for themselves." ......

"..multiple witnesses described soldiers gathering locals in the center of town as they occupied the area on July 23, then asking if anyone spoke Hebrew. When a 54-year-old man stepped forward to answer in the affirmative, they shot him in the heart." .......


"In Khuza’a, just east of Khan Younis, where the most grisly massacres of the war occurred, numerous witnesses told me about a similar incident in which Israeli soldiers gathered male residents in the center of town and asked if anyone spoke Hebrew. I was told by these multiple witnesses that when a middle-aged man stepped forward and answered that he did, he was shot in the chest and killed. These atrocities form a chilling pattern." ....

Israel Is Put on Trial for War Crimes Alternet

The horseshit coming off of Alternet is about as reliable as the opinion of a condemned man on the subject of capital punishment.

Then I hope that invalidates this story.

US To Double Aid To Israel Over Next 10 Years Alternet

 

[SAYIT]

Max Blumenthal describes what he saw in Gaza following a humanitarian ceasefire from last month.
September 26, 2014

....."The atrocities formed an undeniable pattern, suggesting that the crimes committed by Israeli forces in Gaza during Operation Protective Edge were the product of stated military policies, or at least rules of engagement that enabled massacres, summary executions, wholesale residential destruction, the use of civilians as human shields, and abductions. I will describe these atrocities in as much detail as possible and allow the members of the jury to judge for themselves." ......

"..multiple witnesses described soldiers gathering locals in the center of town as they occupied the area on July 23, then asking if anyone spoke Hebrew. When a 54-year-old man stepped forward to answer in the affirmative, they shot him in the heart." .......


"In Khuza’a, just east of Khan Younis, where the most grisly massacres of the war occurred, numerous witnesses told me about a similar incident in which Israeli soldiers gathered male residents in the center of town and asked if anyone spoke Hebrew. I was told by these multiple witnesses that when a middle-aged man stepped forward and answered that he did, he was shot in the chest and killed. These atrocities form a chilling pattern." ....

Israel Is Put on Trial for War Crimes Alternet

The horseshit coming off of Alternet is about as reliable as the opinion of a condemned man on the subject of capital punishment.

Then I hope that invalidates this story.

US To Double Aid To Israel Over Next 10 Years Alternet

Yeah ... that sounds like typical ALTERNET camel crap intended to inflame the not-too-brights. You can rest easy now.