What do normal people - think of Israel?

[cnm]

Normal people... in Western countries - when push comes to shove - will stand with Israel in any confrontation with the Muslims...

No, Normal people don't want religious wars, that's for US crazies. Number 4 I think. Maybe 6, 9, 14 and 15.


So normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong,
suborns citzens of other nations to subvert those nations' interests,
does not separate religion and government,
is favoured too much by US Policies in the ME,
has self serving justice.

 

[Kondor3]

Anybody else want a piece of this one-trick pony for a while?

He-she-it is borin' the hell outta me.

 

[ChrisL]

Normal people... in Western countries - when push comes to shove - will stand with Israel in any confrontation with the Muslims...

No, Normal people don't want religious wars, that's for US crazies. Number 4 I think. Maybe 6, 9, 14 and 15.


So normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong,
suborns citzens of other nations to subvert those nations' interests,
does not separate religion and government,
is favoured too much by US Policies in the ME,
has self serving justice.

Normal people wish people like you would shut the hell up.

 

[cnm]

I think you have mistaken Israel apologists for normal people. Normal people don't apologise for those who commit land theft and implement apartheid.

 

[gtopa1]

It is a clever ploy to be outrageously stupid for a while so as to kill a thread with boredom; something at which a certain kiwi jaffa is an expert.

Greg

 

[Mindful]

Anybody else want a piece of this one-trick pony for a while?

He-she-it is borin' the hell outta me.

Tell me about it!

 

[Mindful]

 

[cnm]

It is a clever ploy to be outrageously stupid for a while so as to kill a thread with boredom; something at which a certain kiwi jaffa is an expert.

Greg

Shall we do why normal people think Israel steals? That would be interesting wouldn't it? Especially as you have denied that is the case.

 

[gtopa1]

It seems Hamas has even longer tunnels than were known about.

CAIRO — Egypt’s military said on Monday that it intended to double the size of a secured buffer zone in a town bordering the Gaza Strip after discovering smuggling tunnels across the frontier that were longer than expected, according to state news media.

Last month, with little warning, the military began destroying hundreds of houses and other dwellings in the border town, Rafah, displacing more than a thousand families in a security zone that stretched almost 1,650 feet, or 500 meters, from the border. The extension announced on Monday was an additional 500 meters, to allow the military to secure tunnels that reached 2,600 feet or more into Egypt, according to a military statement quoted in Al Ahram, the flagship state newspaper.

The proposed extension stretched into agricultural land where there were few houses, said a resident, Wissam al-Agha. If completed, it also seemed to mean that little of Rafah, which is only a little more than half a mile wide in places, would remain.


The announcement reflected growing anxiety in the government of President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi after a series of attacks that have killed dozens of soldiers, police officers and sailors in the space of several weeks. Officials are also worried that the insurgency could grow even more lethal after Egypt’s most active militant group announced its affiliation with the Islamic State, the jihadist organization operating mainly in Iraq and Syria, last week.

The Egyptian militant group, Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, last week released a long, graphic video of its deadly attacks that portrayed the military as poorly prepared for the fight, further unnerving officials. The video included grisly footage of an assault on a Sinai checkpoint that killed more than 31 soldiers, the highest death toll among military personnel in recent memory.

Since that attack, on Oct. 24, militants have killed soldiers and police officers in at least two other attacks in Sinai. And last week, in an episode that remains shrouded in mystery, an Egyptian naval vessel came under fire from gunmen in boats in the Mediterranean, in what was believed to be the first militant attack at sea, the authorities said.

Scrambling for answers, Mr. Sisi’s government has publicly blamed Ansar Beit al-Maqdis as well as unnamed foreign entities. On Monday, an Interior Ministry spokesman told the state news agency that “international intelligence agencies” were responsible, without saying which ones.

The authorities have mostly focused their attention on Gaza as a source of weapons and operational support for the attacks. Counterterrorism analysts say it is even more likely that arms are flowing over Egypt’s long, porous border with Libya.

As the military has proceeded with the destruction of the tunnels — used for smuggling, and an economic lifeline for Palestinians in Gaza — it has pledged to compensate the people displaced by the demolitions. But Mr. Agha, the resident, said he was still waiting for money.

“There is injustice for most people,” he said, detailing what he said was a history of callous treatment by the military, of the sort that has long stirred resentment in Sinai’s put-upon and neglected cities and towns.

In the past, the military had cut down the family’s olive and orange trees during searches for tunnels. Last month, as the military began creating the buffer zone, Mr. Agha said, electricity and water running to his home were cut off. He learned that he was being evacuated, he said, “when the army took down the outer wall of our house.”

“Rafah as a city is over,” he said. “There will be nothing left.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/world/middleeast/egypt-will-expand-its-security-zone-near-gaza-strip.html?ref=middleeast&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Morning Brief&utm_campaign=2014_MorningBrief- SAIS PROMO 11 18 14&_r=0



Now where is the outrage at the "theft" of Palestinian land for defense of Egypt?? lmao at the hypocritical morons who post in support of Hamas here!! The fact is that if land is required to defend one's citizens then that is within International Law. See the Levy Report for details!!

Greg

 

[Mindful]

Who's apologising? I'm not.

 

[cnm]

What?

The fact is that if land is required to defend one's citizens then that is within International Law. See the Levy Report for details!!

And settling occupied territory is not within International Law!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Save us your outrage!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Humanity]

It seems Hamas has even longer tunnels than were known about.

CAIRO — Egypt’s military said on Monday that it intended to double the size of a secured buffer zone in a town bordering the Gaza Strip after discovering smuggling tunnels across the frontier that were longer than expected, according to state news media.

Last month, with little warning, the military began destroying hundreds of houses and other dwellings in the border town, Rafah, displacing more than a thousand families in a security zone that stretched almost 1,650 feet, or 500 meters, from the border. The extension announced on Monday was an additional 500 meters, to allow the military to secure tunnels that reached 2,600 feet or more into Egypt, according to a military statement quoted in Al Ahram, the flagship state newspaper.

The proposed extension stretched into agricultural land where there were few houses, said a resident, Wissam al-Agha. If completed, it also seemed to mean that little of Rafah, which is only a little more than half a mile wide in places, would remain.


The announcement reflected growing anxiety in the government of President Abdel Fattah el-Sisi after a series of attacks that have killed dozens of soldiers, police officers and sailors in the space of several weeks. Officials are also worried that the insurgency could grow even more lethal after Egypt’s most active militant group announced its affiliation with the Islamic State, the jihadist organization operating mainly in Iraq and Syria, last week.

The Egyptian militant group, Ansar Beit al-Maqdis, last week released a long, graphic video of its deadly attacks that portrayed the military as poorly prepared for the fight, further unnerving officials. The video included grisly footage of an assault on a Sinai checkpoint that killed more than 31 soldiers, the highest death toll among military personnel in recent memory.

Since that attack, on Oct. 24, militants have killed soldiers and police officers in at least two other attacks in Sinai. And last week, in an episode that remains shrouded in mystery, an Egyptian naval vessel came under fire from gunmen in boats in the Mediterranean, in what was believed to be the first militant attack at sea, the authorities said.

Scrambling for answers, Mr. Sisi’s government has publicly blamed Ansar Beit al-Maqdis as well as unnamed foreign entities. On Monday, an Interior Ministry spokesman told the state news agency that “international intelligence agencies” were responsible, without saying which ones.

The authorities have mostly focused their attention on Gaza as a source of weapons and operational support for the attacks. Counterterrorism analysts say it is even more likely that arms are flowing over Egypt’s long, porous border with Libya.

As the military has proceeded with the destruction of the tunnels — used for smuggling, and an economic lifeline for Palestinians in Gaza — it has pledged to compensate the people displaced by the demolitions. But Mr. Agha, the resident, said he was still waiting for money.

“There is injustice for most people,” he said, detailing what he said was a history of callous treatment by the military, of the sort that has long stirred resentment in Sinai’s put-upon and neglected cities and towns.

In the past, the military had cut down the family’s olive and orange trees during searches for tunnels. Last month, as the military began creating the buffer zone, Mr. Agha said, electricity and water running to his home were cut off. He learned that he was being evacuated, he said, “when the army took down the outer wall of our house.”

“Rafah as a city is over,” he said. “There will be nothing left.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/18/world/middleeast/egypt-will-expand-its-security-zone-near-gaza-strip.html?ref=middleeast&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Morning Brief&utm_campaign=2014_MorningBrief- SAIS PROMO 11 18 14&_r=0



Now where is the outrage at the "theft" of Palestinian land for defense of Egypt?? lmao at the hypocritical morons who post in support of Hamas here!! The fact is that if land is required to defend one's citizens then that is within International Law. See the Levy Report for details!!

Greg

Just two short comments....

If land is seized to "defend one's citizens" why would that state send it's own citizens into the 'buffer zone' as settlers?

"International Law"... Which international law would that be exactly?

Here's an interesting article on international laws that highlight the contradictions and flaws in the Levy Report written by the head of ICRC delegation for Israel and the Occupied Territories.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[cnm]

The Levy report!!!!!!!!!

Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!

The best of Israel chutzpah, citing international law while denying it. It's almost as good as the torture memos. Anyway, greg's post is definitely channeling 6, 7, 10, 12 and 16, which lead Israel to many of the other ones.

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So normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count,
restricts the economic growth of Palestine,
believes it can do no wrong,
suborns citzens of other nations to subvert those nations' interests,
does not separate religion and government,
is favoured too much by US Policies in the ME,
has self serving justice.

 

[gtopa1]

It is always a gross stupidity when a poster does not give due weight to an appropriate legal judgement as distinct from an opinion.

Greg

 

[Mineva]

What I think about Israel is how they murder their own people to create a hatred against muslims. In the last event they have murdered their 4 citizens in a place very securely protected by Israeli police and soldiers. But they want people to believe these 4 persons are killed by 2 Palestinians. This is quite illogical that while all the Europe starts to be against Israel and they start to recognize Palestine and suddenly 2 Palestinians decides to attack a Synagog ? Who believe in this sh..t ?

 

[Phoenall]

Who died and made you decide Arab-apologists are "normal people?"

I mean, fuck you all!


Oh, sorry, that was impolite.

Fuck you all, please.

See? If it's perceived to be Muslim oriented it shouldn't have a voice in the view of apparent Israel apologists.

Normal people think Israel is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count.

Hmmm, so now normal people think Israel

maintains apartheid regimes,
steals,
commits war crimes,
wags the US,
doesn't keep its promises,
casts itself as a victim,
won't join courts because it will be found guilty,
imposes collective punishments on occupied territiories,
provokes wars of convenience,
is living a self centred fantasy where other people's views don't count.

You know, I really think we're starting to get somewhere.

Not now after the massacre in the Synagogue, now people see the Palestinians as just your normal everyday arab muslim psychopath intent on wiping out all other religions, races and creeds as dictated by their religion.

Now once again were is the apartheid regime inside Israels borders, military occupation is not an apartheid regime

Who has been charged with war crimes ?

NOPE

It is as shown by the recent murders of innocent unarmed Israelis

Wrong it is because the courts are anti semitic.

Nope ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

EVIDENCE

Sound just like you and islam

 

[Phoenall]

Even the Scots realise what normal people think about Israel;

Peter Jones: Israel losing battle of world opinion

Peter Jones Israel losing battle of world opinion - The Scotsman

Instead the evidence is that Israel is losing the battle for world opinion. A variety of non-governmental human rights organisations, including the UN Human Rights Council, have either accused the Israeli government of war crimes or are calling for an investigation into whether they have been committed. A good many western governments, normally supportive of Israel’s rights to self-defence, believe that its assaults on Gaza are utterly disproportionate to the attacks on it.

The Scots being the most RACIST and ANTISEMITIC of all nations are hardly in a position to make that observation.

I wonder what world opinion is now after the unwarranted and illegal attack on innocent Israelis worshipping in a Synagogue. From what I am hearing the majority of people want the Israelis to take punitive action against the terrorists

 

[Phoenall]

Uri Avery realised a long time ago what normal people think of Israel:

Israel ignoring “tectonic change” in public opinion

Israel ignoring tectonic change in public opinion Redress Information Analysis

For a month and a half, day after day, people around the world were bombarded with pictures of killed human beings, maimed children, crying mothers, destroyed apartment buildings, damaged hospitals and schools, masses of homeless refugees. Thanks to the Iron Dome [anti-missile defence system], no destroyed Israeli buildings could be seen, nor hardly any dead Israeli civilians.


An ordinary decent person, whether in Stockholm or Seattle or Singapore, cannot be exposed to such a steady stream of horrible images without being affected – first unconsciously, then consciously. The picture of “The Israeli” in the mind’s eye changes slowly, almost imperceptibly. The brave pioneer standing up to the savages around him mutates into an ugly bully terrorising a helpless population.


Why do Israelis not realise this? Because We Are Always Right.

Guess what the pictures of the unarmed men being carried out of the Synagogue has just turned it on its head, and world opinion is that Israel are fighting against ISLAMONAZI TERRORISM and have to win if the west wants to stay free.

 

[Phoenall]

I guess as long as Israel apologists keep denying plain truth, that Israel has a terrible PR problem, the actual facts of the situation will bear repeating. I note you have not much to contribute beyond 'is not'.

If you disagree with the assertions put forward, show your version of what normal people think about Israel. Feel free to back it up with evidence.

Isn't that what you are doing when you deny the psychopathic intent of the Palestinians. After the Jerusalem Synagogue massacre public opinion has gone against the Palestinians and many are now saying they deserve all they get. The world wants Israel to take action against terrorism, they just don't want to see it happening.