What do normal people - think of Israel?

[Beelzebub]

President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

Rivlin was speaking at the opening session of a conference entitled "From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other," on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

"The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment", President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Both Rivlin and Prof. Ruth Arnon, president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, which organized the conference at its premises on the capital’s Jabotinsky Street, spoke of the painful and bloody summer, and the resultant resurgence of animosity between Arabs and Jews that had escalated to new heights.

Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement, Arnon said that Jews, who in the Diaspora had been exposed to anti-Semitism and persecution, should be more sensitive to the dangers of incitement. “But are we?” she asked.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

He urged the academy to take on this challenge and to eradicate the violence that threatens to scar Israel’s image.

President Rivlin Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment


I have to say, he has expressed things very clearly.
And it is refreshing to hear voices from Israel that do not advocate increased violence to "solve" issues that past levels of violence have been unable to solve.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Normal people do not blow themselves up in order to mass murder civilians. Normal people do not use their own women and children as sand bags and for shields while launching unprovoked attacks against a sovereign State that has been most gracious and generous to their presence! I'd say Israel is doing the best she can do under extraordinary circumstances. Normal people do not think like you. I can tell you that right now. Israel is not a sick society. Israel is a healthy, vibrant prospering society trying to keep a sick society out of their midst. My advice to Israel is to send these Arabs back to their native lands of Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Egypt, and beyond. They do not belong in Gaza. They must go!

 

[Beelzebub]

Jerry: Check again. The OP is the view of a Jewish Israeli. It is also a fair summary of much of the world. Only much of the world would not be so generous as to presume Israel can learn and adapt to be a normal peaceful state, rather than a sick, tyrannical and murderous political movement.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

Rivlin was speaking at the opening session of a conference entitled "From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other," on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

"The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment", President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Both Rivlin and Prof. Ruth Arnon, president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, which organized the conference at its premises on the capital’s Jabotinsky Street, spoke of the painful and bloody summer, and the resultant resurgence of animosity between Arabs and Jews that had escalated to new heights.

Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement, Arnon said that Jews, who in the Diaspora had been exposed to anti-Semitism and persecution, should be more sensitive to the dangers of incitement. “But are we?” she asked.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

He urged the academy to take on this challenge and to eradicate the violence that threatens to scar Israel’s image.

President Rivlin Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment


I have to say, he has expressed things very clearly.
And it is refreshing to hear voices from Israel that do not advocate increased violence to "solve" issues that past levels of violence have been unable to solve.

Realistically, I don't think there's anything to do but what's been done to this point. Israel exists on a giant bullseye. Its neighbors don't want it there and are never going to be okay with it being there. Countries bordering may not attack openly, but they'll gladly use terror group proxies to to nip at Israel's heels until the end of time.

To ensure Israel's security you either have to hit your enemy so hard they never hit you again, or you have to grant concessions and make compromises. Some of the latter are always possible if painful, others aren't. Keeping hoping for a third option to present itself like hostile aliens invading uniting all mankind but nothing on radar at the moment.

 

[Daniyel]

The way its all taken out of context is quite funny actually.
Today, 12 years ago was the Karkur Junction Terror attack, symbolizing the society of Israel, 14 people died of all color, race and religion.
Karkur junction suicide bombing - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

This is the sickness the right-wing president(coming from the Likud by the way) was talking about is the uprising violence by guess who -Arabs- and Jews of Jerusalem when Israeli Arabs consider themselves Palestinians, and starting riots against Israel, that violence is the sickness, and for every sickness there is the cure, better law enforcement as Jerusalem mayor Bareket said would fix it, Rivlin agreed.

And because you had such a wonderful things to say about Rivlin let me join you and include one of the reasons I vote for the Likud.

Rivlin "Construction in Jerusalem is NON-NEGOTIABLE"

 

[Beelzebub]

Israel can never hit their enemies so hard that they will stop opposing Israel. At the most they could hurt neighbouring states so badly that they would avoid conflict, but alienate the rest of the world as they do it.

Israel has to consider peace and massive reparations to those it has robbed and harmed, or be dissolved in the sea of hate it has caused.

 

[Daniyel]

No negotiable.

You keep searching under the light just because you can't see in the dark, stop preaching to Israel like you are any better, you are just hiding behind your monitor and bash Israel in your free time, lying that you all care about the Palestinians -pff- while doing the complete opposite.

 

[Hossfly]

President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

Rivlin was speaking at the opening session of a conference entitled "From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other," on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

"The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment", President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Both Rivlin and Prof. Ruth Arnon, president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, which organized the conference at its premises on the capital’s Jabotinsky Street, spoke of the painful and bloody summer, and the resultant resurgence of animosity between Arabs and Jews that had escalated to new heights.

Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement, Arnon said that Jews, who in the Diaspora had been exposed to anti-Semitism and persecution, should be more sensitive to the dangers of incitement. “But are we?” she asked.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

He urged the academy to take on this challenge and to eradicate the violence that threatens to scar Israel’s image.

President Rivlin Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment


I have to say, he has expressed things very clearly.
And it is refreshing to hear voices from Israel that do not advocate increased violence to "solve" issues that past levels of violence have been unable to solve.

First you have to determine who is normal before you ask the question. Or you'll have abnormal critters answering and there goes your point.

 

[Beelzebub]

President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

Rivlin was speaking at the opening session of a conference entitled "From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other," on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

"The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment", President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Both Rivlin and Prof. Ruth Arnon, president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, which organized the conference at its premises on the capital’s Jabotinsky Street, spoke of the painful and bloody summer, and the resultant resurgence of animosity between Arabs and Jews that had escalated to new heights.

Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement, Arnon said that Jews, who in the Diaspora had been exposed to anti-Semitism and persecution, should be more sensitive to the dangers of incitement. “But are we?” she asked.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

He urged the academy to take on this challenge and to eradicate the violence that threatens to scar Israel’s image.

President Rivlin Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment


I have to say, he has expressed things very clearly.
And it is refreshing to hear voices from Israel that do not advocate increased violence to "solve" issues that past levels of violence have been unable to solve.

First you have to determine who is normal before you ask the question. Or you'll have abnormal critters answering and there goes your point.

Yes. I see your point.
I was hoping Danny Boy might realise he is way off the 'normal' curve, but we can consider this as a sort of therapy for him.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

First you have to determine who is normal before you ask the question. Or you'll have abnormal critters answering and there goes your point.

and, of course, you would have to BE normal in order to determine that.

Might as well have Charles Manson be the judge of proper etiquette.

 

[Beelzebub]

First you have to determine who is normal before you ask the question. Or you'll have abnormal critters answering and there goes your point.

and, of course, you would have to BE normal in order to determine that.

Might as well have Charles Manson be the judge of proper etiquette.

I think that is very rude of you to Hoss.
I am sure he can judge what is normal, well enough, even if it is a little over the horizon from where he is.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[Daniyel]

Hmm 'Free Palestine' is the new motto for 'We hate Israel and finally have anything close to be a reason for saying "Israelis are brutal ruthless bastards" ' is exceptionally mature and polite, nah..

 

[MJB12741]

Jerry: Check again. The OP is the view of a Jewish Israeli. It is also a fair summary of much of the world. Only much of the world would not be so generous as to presume Israel can learn and adapt to be a normal peaceful state, rather than a sick, tyrannical and murderous political movement.

Gosh, wouldn't it be wonder if Israel would teach their children to love Palestinian children like Palestinians teach their children love Israeli children? Seriouly Beez,you are ablast. Please don't ever leave us.

 

[Truthseeker420]

I think Israel is on a mission much like Manifest Destiny. They use the religious ignorant to commit genocide against the Palestinians and take their land. The oil companies support this to cause tension in the Middle East and drive up oil prices. The difference between Native Americans and Palestinians are the Native Americans didn't have 2 billion and growing Muslims supporting them.

 

[SAYIT]

President Rivlin: Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment.

Rivlin was speaking at the opening session of a conference entitled "From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other," on the escalation of tensions between Jews and Arabs.

"The time has come to admit that Israel is a sick society, with an illness that demands treatment", President Reuven Rivlin said at the opening session on Sunday of a conference on From Hatred of the Stranger to Acceptance of the Other.

Both Rivlin and Prof. Ruth Arnon, president of the Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities, which organized the conference at its premises on the capital’s Jabotinsky Street, spoke of the painful and bloody summer, and the resultant resurgence of animosity between Arabs and Jews that had escalated to new heights.

Referring to the mutual expressions of hatred and incitement, Arnon said that Jews, who in the Diaspora had been exposed to anti-Semitism and persecution, should be more sensitive to the dangers of incitement. “But are we?” she asked.

Rivlin wondered aloud whether Jews and Arabs had abandoned the secret of dialogue.

With regard to Jews he said: “I’m not asking if they’ve forgotten how to be Jews, but if they’ve forgotten how to be decent human beings. Have they forgotten how to converse?” In Rivlin’s eyes, the academy has a vital task to reduce violence in Israeli society by encouraging dialogue and the study of different cultures and languages with the aim of promoting mutual understanding, so that there can be civilized meetings between the sectors of society.

He urged the academy to take on this challenge and to eradicate the violence that threatens to scar Israel’s image.

President Rivlin Time to admit that Israel is a sick society that needs treatment


I have to say, he has expressed things very clearly.
And it is refreshing to hear voices from Israel that do not advocate increased violence to "solve" issues that past levels of violence have been unable to solve.

Realistically, I don't think there's anything to do but what's been done to this point. Israel exists on a giant bullseye. Its neighbors don't want it there and are never going to be okay with it being there. Countries bordering may not attack openly, but they'll gladly use terror group proxies to to nip at Israel's heels until the end of time.

To ensure Israel's security you either have to hit your enemy so hard they never hit you again, or you have to grant concessions and make compromises. Some of the latter are always possible if painful, others aren't. Keeping hoping for a third option to present itself like hostile aliens invading uniting all mankind but nothing on radar at the moment.

So how do Israeli concessions and compromises, short of national suicide, ensure Israel's security?

 

[SAYIT]

Israel can never hit their enemies so hard that they will stop opposing Israel. At the most they could hurt neighbouring states so badly that they would avoid conflict, but alienate the rest of the world as they do it.

Israel has to consider peace and massive reparations to those it has robbed and harmed, or be dissolved in the sea of hate it has caused.

Both were discussed in 2000-2001 but Arafat slipped away in the night rather than agree to peace and reparations and started his 2nd (and final) INTIFADAH.
Oops.

 

[SAYIT]

Jerry: Check again. The OP is the view of a Jewish Israeli. It is also a fair summary of much of the world.

Do you have a source for that claim?

 

[toastman]

Beezle, you really have a messed up mind. Sick society, ya right

Stop attacking Israel, renounce terrorism, and things will start to change.

OR

Continue attacking Israel, but don't whine at the retaliation.

 

[toastman]

Jerry: Check again. The OP is the view of a Jewish Israeli. It is also a fair summary of much of the world. Only much of the world would not be so generous as to presume Israel can learn and adapt to be a normal peaceful state, rather than a sick, tyrannical and murderous political movement.

"Sick, tyrranical and murderous political movement"



Stop it, just stop it. You're embaressing yourself.