What are your thought on all this "Occupy" Stuff?

[GeorgiaBoy]

but of course having a reason to be paid like a fortune 500 CEO means nothing. Not like someone needs to have some skills to trade and be WORTH paying that money.

Why don't all actors earn scale? Why don't all athletes earn league minimum? By this envy logic, they should all be earning minimum wage, like everyone else.

Love the spread the misery tactic. It's so 1930's.

I find it hilarious that all these people whine and complain about how some people earn more than others. OMG! Im so sorry I am successful. How could I have done that to my country? Excuse ME! Here is all my wealth! To be a true American I must not make something of myself. I shall not be better than my fellow man. From this point on I will work for the same money my secretary makes!!! How could I be so blind! Thank you Liberals for opening my eyes ( Sarcasm Off)

Okay. You. Allegedly brilliant young man. Read the article and charts at this URL, and then see what is happening, the truth and reality of the situation.

Allow me to reiterate for I wanna say the 14th time. This is not about the wealthy. We never had a problem with the wealthy when the middle class was healthy. We never had a problem with the wealthy until they hoovered all the money out of the economy. NOW we have a problem.

When things are returned to normal, I will likely still be living under someone else's roof, helping make ends meet. At least for a time. Unless I stop screwing around and actually write my damn books, I'll be below middle class. But that's okay! Even when I was middle class, I never bought a lot of toys, ate out much, or just basically lived outside my means.

So once more with feeling: That is NOT the point.

CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

And for everybody too damn lazy to go read the damn article, here's an excerpt.

The problem in a nutshell is this: Inequality in this country has hit a level that has been seen only once in the nation's history, and unemployment has reached a level that has been seen only once since the Great Depression. And, at the same time, corporate profits are at a record high.

In other words, in the never-ending tug-of-war between "labor" and "capital," there has rarely—if ever—been a time when "capital" was so clearly winning.

I have no clue on this matter but I am just going to throw out what came to my mind. Yeah the unemployment sucks. But if corporate profits are consistent and getting higher the only thing that has changed is government taxation and regulation. It is the corporations job to Make Money. Im sorry but they don't get paid to hire people and give people jobs. They are in business to make as much as possible. That is the way it always will be. But since the government has made it so expensive to operate for them they had to cut back on things they could control like employees to continue doing their job and make money.

 

[Intense]

Thoughts on Occupy

There is a danger. As it stands now it is free Speech, but it is unfocused, DNC supported, and subject to Hi-Jack.

 

[Intense]

I find it hilarious that all these people whine and complain about how some people earn more than others. OMG! Im so sorry I am successful. How could I have done that to my country? Excuse ME! Here is all my wealth! To be a true American I must not make something of myself. I shall not be better than my fellow man. From this point on I will work for the same money my secretary makes!!! How could I be so blind! Thank you Liberals for opening my eyes ( Sarcasm Off)

Okay. You. Allegedly brilliant young man. Read the article and charts at this URL, and then see what is happening, the truth and reality of the situation.

Allow me to reiterate for I wanna say the 14th time. This is not about the wealthy. We never had a problem with the wealthy when the middle class was healthy. We never had a problem with the wealthy until they hoovered all the money out of the economy. NOW we have a problem.

When things are returned to normal, I will likely still be living under someone else's roof, helping make ends meet. At least for a time. Unless I stop screwing around and actually write my damn books, I'll be below middle class. But that's okay! Even when I was middle class, I never bought a lot of toys, ate out much, or just basically lived outside my means.

So once more with feeling: That is NOT the point.

CHARTS: Here's What The Wall Street Protesters Are So Angry About...

And for everybody too damn lazy to go read the damn article, here's an excerpt.

The problem in a nutshell is this: Inequality in this country has hit a level that has been seen only once in the nation's history, and unemployment has reached a level that has been seen only once since the Great Depression. And, at the same time, corporate profits are at a record high.

In other words, in the never-ending tug-of-war between "labor" and "capital," there has rarely—if ever—been a time when "capital" was so clearly winning.

I have no clue on this matter but I am just going to throw out what came to my mind. Yeah the unemployment sucks. But if corporate profits are consistent and getting higher the only thing that has changed is government taxation and regulation. It is the corporations job to Make Money. Im sorry but they don't get paid to hire people and give people jobs. They are in business to make as much as possible. That is the way it always will be. But since the government has made it so expensive to operate for them they had to cut back on things they could control like employees to continue doing their job and make money.

Part of the Progressive Movement is to Support Monopoly, give unfair advantage to Big Corporations, Discourage and work against Small Enterprise, and then try to Reign In Big Business and try to control it like a Marionette. There has to be a name for that Disorder.

 

[Dr.House]

It's funny because the libs on here still have yet to answer rottweilers question. LOL

You refusing to see, hear or accept the truth does not equal a non-answer.

You and the truth are bitter enemies...

 

[GeorgiaBoy]

It's funny because the libs on here still have yet to answer rottweilers question. LOL

You refusing to see, hear or accept the truth does not equal a non-answer.

1.) If Captialism is so bad, what do you plan to replace it with?

2.) Where in the Constitution does it say that the government is supposed to provide for the people?

3.) What's wrong with hard work and each individual being responsible for their own lot in life?

Here are the questions. Answer them.

 

[Sunshine]

And where are your links and examples to support this theory?

I've posted them on other threads, both here and at USPOL and don't feel like taking the effort to do so yet again. Tell you what, here's a start:

Income Gap Is Widening, Data Shows - New York Times

You have done nothing to explain general attitudes toward money based on class. What is 'too low?' Are you referring to people on welfare or wage earners? What about people who put every dime they make up their noses? There are a LOT of things to be discussed here and you haven't even skated out onto the ice, let alone broken it

On this thread, no. I was merely addressing your straw man and pointing out that that's what it is -- that addressing income inequality doesn't mean making sure you make the same money as a Fortune 500 exec.

Too low is low enough that the economy has to survive on consumer credit; high enough is where the economy can run at full production on consumer purchases with credit used only for big-ticket items.

Mainly wage earners, not welfare recipients.

Individual differences in spending balance out and are irrelevant to the big picture.

Anything else?

The 'income gap' is going to continue to widen no matter what is done due to the number of baby boomers retiring. When I retire I will go from 6 figures to 5. So will a lot of others. That will make a difference in those deceptive raw statistics that so impress you.

This economy has been running on 'consumer credit' for the last 50 years. Try again.

 

[Sunshine]

You might be challenged if you were to answer my request.

"Addressing income inequality" and "making your income exactly equal to that of a Fortune 500 executive" are not synonyms.

Income inequality is not binary. It is not either-or. It is more-less. A good measure of it is the share of national income taken home by those in the top 1% of earners. It is too high. The share of income going to the rest of us is too low.

The problem with income inequality is not that it exists, but that it is excessive, which is not only unfair but also bad for the economy.

but of course having a reason to be paid like a fortune 500 CEO means nothing. Not like someone needs to have some skills to trade and be WORTH paying that money.

Why don't all actors earn scale? Why don't all athletes earn league minimum? By this envy logic, they should all be earning minimum wage, like everyone else.

Love the spread the misery tactic. It's so 1930's.

And where are the 'quotas' in the NFL? But that's another thread, now isn't it!

 

[Sunshine]

"Addressing income inequality" and "making your income exactly equal to that of a Fortune 500 executive" are not synonyms.

Income inequality is not binary. It is not either-or. It is more-less. A good measure of it is the share of national income taken home by those in the top 1% of earners. It is too high. The share of income going to the rest of us is too low.

The problem with income inequality is not that it exists, but that it is excessive, which is not only unfair but also bad for the economy.

but of course having a reason to be paid like a fortune 500 CEO means nothing. Not like someone needs to have some skills to trade and be WORTH paying that money.

Why don't all actors earn scale? Why don't all athletes earn league minimum? By this envy logic, they should all be earning minimum wage, like everyone else.

Love the spread the misery tactic. It's so 1930's.

I find it hilarious that all these people whine and complain about how some people earn more than others. OMG! Im so sorry I am successful. How could I have done that to my country? Excuse ME! Here is all my wealth! To be a true American I must not make something of myself. I shall not be better than my fellow man. From this point on I will work for the same money my secretary makes!!! How could I be so blind! Thank you Liberals for opening my eyes ( Sarcasm Off)

LOL. I used to BE a secretary. Silly me. I wanted to make the money my boss made. So I went to school. Now I make more than 10 times what he made. Damn! Where WAS my head?

 

[Sunshine]

dear silly people, Those hippies you hated so much from the past changed the world.

These hippies will too

That time was nothiing but a drunken hiccup in history! It changed nothing. Neither will this.

 

[Lovebears65]

a bunch of whiny people who think they are entitled to everything and have to work for nothing.. Then you have the people who just are doing it for the "shits" and giggles.

 

[GeorgiaBoy]

but of course having a reason to be paid like a fortune 500 CEO means nothing. Not like someone needs to have some skills to trade and be WORTH paying that money.

Why don't all actors earn scale? Why don't all athletes earn league minimum? By this envy logic, they should all be earning minimum wage, like everyone else.

Love the spread the misery tactic. It's so 1930's.

I find it hilarious that all these people whine and complain about how some people earn more than others. OMG! Im so sorry I am successful. How could I have done that to my country? Excuse ME! Here is all my wealth! To be a true American I must not make something of myself. I shall not be better than my fellow man. From this point on I will work for the same money my secretary makes!!! How could I be so blind! Thank you Liberals for opening my eyes ( Sarcasm Off)

LOL. I used to BE a secretary. Silly me. I wanted to make the money my boss made. So I went to school. Now I make more than 10 times what he made. Damn! Where WAS my head?

LOL. Me too! haha. well not the 10x part haha. Im only 20. And here come the libs. Wanting to take away your right to do what you did. Kudos to you for making it happen.

 

[Sunshine]

dear silly people, Those hippies you hated so much from the past changed the world.

These hippies will too

"Changed the world"??? Really? How? Last I heard, you parasites on the left HATE America and everything about it. So if you changed it, then you're to blame for how bad it is. And if you didn't change it, then you are just lying now (as usual - the parasite class are the kings of propaganda). So which is LiesMatters? Did you guys change the world to this misery you all now gripe about 24x7, or did you do nothing (as usual, since you people don't believe in getting a job and doing something with your lives) and now are just lying about it?

Give them a little credit! The DID increase the spread of herpes!

 

[GeorgiaBoy]

I woke up the other day and checked my Facebook just to see 5 friends posting pictures of themselves at OccupyAtlanta and OccupyUtica. Made me sad Mainly because I know none of them have jobs and none of them truly understand what they are talking about.

 

[Dragon]

The 'income gap' is going to continue to widen no matter what is done due to the number of baby boomers retiring.

Not necessarily, and in any case that is not the reason why income gaps have widened over the past thirty years. The biggest single reasons are the loss of union representation among the work force, the flattening of the tax system, the deregulation of the financial industry, and the increase in health-care costs, and all of these come down to a common cause of corruption of the government by campaign financing.

If these were corrected, any unbalancing -- and I'm not at all sure there would be any -- from Boomer retirement would be more than offset.

This economy has been running on 'consumer credit' for the last 50 years. Try again.

No it hasn't. The mere existence of a nonzero amount of consumer credit does not equate to the economy "running" on it. Again, you need to stop thinking in binary and start thinking in scales.

In the decades following World War II, up through the mid-70s at least, wages were high on the average, and most purchases were made out of immediate income. Yes, people sometimes borrowed. If they bought a car, a house, or a major appliance, they generally took out a loan to do so. They might also have a credit card or two for convenience. But in the 1980s and more so in the 1990s and 2000s, the use of consumer credit increased to unsustainable levels.

One can of course blame people for irresponsible borrowing, and also blame banks for irresponsible lending, and both of these are true, but the fact remains that if that hadn't happen the economy would have crashed in 2000 or 2001, not in 2008. Or possibly even earlier and there would have been no dot-com boom.

There is an enormous quantitative difference, so great that it amounts to a qualitative one, between the consumer borrowing of the '90s and '00s compared to that of the 1960s, which would be 50 years ago.

 

[Sunshine]

The 'income gap' is going to continue to widen no matter what is done due to the number of baby boomers retiring.

Not necessarily, and in any case that is not the reason why income gaps have widened over the past thirty years. The biggest single reasons are the loss of union representation among the work force, the flattening of the tax system, the deregulation of the financial industry, and the increase in health-care costs, and all of these come down to a common cause of corruption of the government by campaign financing.

If these were corrected, any unbalancing -- and I'm not at all sure there would be any -- from Boomer retirement would be more than offset.

This economy has been running on 'consumer credit' for the last 50 years. Try again.

No it hasn't. The mere existence of a nonzero amount of consumer credit does not equate to the economy "running" on it. Again, you need to stop thinking in binary and start thinking in scales.

In the decades following World War II, up through the mid-70s at least, wages were high on the average, and most purchases were made out of immediate income. Yes, people sometimes borrowed. If they bought a car, a house, or a major appliance, they generally took out a loan to do so. They might also have a credit card or two for convenience. But in the 1980s and more so in the 1990s and 2000s, the use of consumer credit increased to unsustainable levels.

One can of course blame people for irresponsible borrowing, and also blame banks for irresponsible lending, and both of these are true, but the fact remains that if that hadn't happen the economy would have crashed in 2000 or 2001, not in 2008. Or possibly even earlier and there would have been no dot-com boom.

There is an enormous quantitative difference, so great that it amounts to a qualitative one, between the consumer borrowing of the '90s and '00s compared to that of the 1960s, which would be 50 years ago.

Your head is so far up your ass that you need another orifice to be able to see. Now, I'm going to make a meatloaf! Ciao.

 

[freetek]

What a great opportunity for a homicide bomber.

An excellent chance to reduce the level of static from socialists and unions.

 

[P@triot]

"Changed the world"??? Really? How? Last I heard, you parasites on the left HATE America and everything about it.

You need your hearing-aid adjusted, or perhaps you just need to listen to something other than Beck and Limbaugh.

So if you changed it, then you're to blame for how bad it is.

Hmm, not really. The focus from the Awakening era (mid-1960s until the mid-1980s) was cultural and values change, not really political or economic change. As a result of that cultural upheaval, we have:

1) Changes to sexual morality and the related morality of gender relations, making premarital sex and homosexuality generally accepted, and gender inequality no longer accepted.

2) Changes to the attitude towards American imperial power, so that support for wars abroad is no longer a given and the whole idea of the U.S. as a military superpower is open to question.

3) The inclusion of environmental ideas in the national value-set.

The changes that are causing problems now are mostly economic and political, not changes in these areas.

OMG!!! Are you SERIOUS? You're proud of the accomplishment of your parasite class for "making premarital sex and homosexuality generally accepted"?!?!? That's what you are PROUD of?!?!? Are you proud of all of the Aids and Herpes that have resulted from that kind of stupidity?

Seriously folks - you can't make this stuff up. He's actually proud that his side helped make premarital sex acceptable! LMAO... And you wonder why the countries collapses when a Democrat takes office. This is their idea of "success".

 

[Dragon]

Your head is so far up your ass that you need another orifice to be able to see. Now, I'm going to make a meatloaf! Ciao.

In other words, you have no way to respond to what I said, so you're falling back on empty insults. What a disappointment. I thought you weren't that kind of moron.

Another for the ignore list, it seems.

 

[alan1]

Thoughts on Occupy

Kinda reminds me of 1917 and the Bolshevik Revolution.
'Cept, people have plenty of food these days.
How'd that communism/socialist thing work out for em?
After seizing all the wealth from the top 5%, they still ended up just as poor, just as hungry and just as stupid as when they started out.

One word,

History

 

[GeorgiaBoy]

Thoughts on Occupy

Kinda reminds me of 1917 and the Bolshevik Revolution.
'Cept, people have plenty of food these days.
How'd that communism/socialist thing work out for em?
After seizing all the wealth from the top 5%, they still ended up just as poor, just as hungry and just as stupid as when they started out.

One word,

History

What are you doing teaching the liberals history and common sense. YOU CANT DO THAT. THATS RACIST!