What America thinks of the impeachment

[georgephillip]

Of course there is zero proof that any hacking was done by the russian government. But there is proof that the DNC and the hillary campaign paid russians to create a dossier of lies and then release it to the biased US media.

Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election

"The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

"Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. …

"The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations."

Why would Hillary and the DNC pay Russians to help Trump?

 

[froggy]

Of course there is zero proof that any hacking was done by the russian government. But there is proof that the DNC and the hillary campaign paid russians to create a dossier of lies and then release it to the biased US media.

Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election

"The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

"Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. …

"The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations."

Why would Hillary and the DNC pay Russians to help Trump?

To frame him.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No President should ever be impeached on an opinion.

 

[froggy]

Every testimony that the house had was based on assumption and hearsay no hard proof

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Of course there is zero proof that any hacking was done by the russian government. But there is proof that the DNC and the hillary campaign paid russians to create a dossier of lies and then release it to the biased US media.

Top-Secret NSA Report Details Russian Hacking Effort Days Before 2016 Election

"The report indicates that Russian hacking may have penetrated further into U.S. voting systems than was previously understood. It states unequivocally in its summary statement that it was Russian military intelligence, specifically the Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate, or GRU, that conducted the cyber attacks described in the document:

"Russian General Staff Main Intelligence Directorate actors … executed cyber espionage operations against a named U.S. company in August 2016, evidently to obtain information on elections-related software and hardware solutions. …

"The actors likely used data obtained from that operation to … launch a voter registration-themed spear-phishing campaign targeting U.S. local government organizations."

Why would Hillary and the DNC pay Russians to help Trump?

The Intercept - Wikipedia

Fake News. Alex Jones part 2. Georgie is an idiot.

 

[georgephillip]

Every testimony that the house had was based on assumption and hearsay no hard proof

Because Trump refused to allow any witness with first-hand information to testify. Why hasn't Don the Con offered to testify in his own defense, I wonder?

 

[georgephillip]

No President should ever be impeached on an opinion.

What opinion are you imagining?
Trump refused to provide any witnesses or documents to a co-equal branch of government. That alone is sufficient for impeachment and conviction.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

No President should ever be impeached on an opinion.

What opinion are you imagining?
Trump refused to provide any witnesses or documents to a co-equal branch of government. That alone is sufficient for impeachment and conviction.

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law. Furthermore he released the transcript. In WJC’s impeachment we all knew he had relations with an intern and lied. Black and white. Not an opinion. In this case we are guessing at intent. No President should be impeached based on guessing.

 

[Zorro!]

No President should ever be impeached on an opinion.

What opinion are you imagining?
Trump refused to provide any witnesses or documents to a co-equal branch of government. That alone is sufficient for impeachment and conviction.

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law. Furthermore he released the transcript. In WJC’s impeachment we all knew he had relations with an intern and lied. Black and white. Not an opinion. In this case we are guessing at intent. No President should be impeached based on guessing.

Guessing, presuming, inferring and mind-reading.

The impeachment case against Trump already lies in smoking ruins

Like all people who believe themselves to be smarter than those for whom they have only contempt, the House Impeachment Managers planned badly.

What began with the Clinton campaign and a few self-appointed commanders-in-chief in our once-premier law enforcement agencies quickly drew in fellow collaborators from around the world: UK, Italy, Malta and who knows where else? They paid a pack of Euro-trash lowlifes to create condemnatory but entirely false information about Trump.

Even Bug-eyed Schiff was on board when he was pranked by those two Russian comedians who promised him "naked pictures of Trump." Bug-eyed Schiff was so excited at the prospect of getting his hands on some Trump dirt that he was easily deceived. Aside from Hillary and the DNC, Bug-eyed Schiff is the only other person to have actually colluded with Russians for political advantage.

Bug-eyed Schiff is a fool. That should be obvious to everyone by now, especially after the President's own lawyers’ first chance to present his side of the story on Saturday. It was not only gripping but brief and revelatory. Bug-eyed Schiff, Fat Jerry, Crazy Nancy and their co-conspirators have perpetrated the biggest fraud on the American people in American history for wholly bogus reasons. And they are all such legends in their own minds, they were certain they would get away with. Their plan would see our Beloved President Trump removed from office. They never gave a thought or a bit of respect to the millions of people who voted for him -- precisely to be rid of people like them.

"When the three branches of government have failed to represent the citizenry and the mass of the media has failed to represent the citizenry, then the citizenry better represent the citizenry." (David Mamet)

The citizenry elected Donald Trump.

Counselors Cipollone, Sekulow, Purpura, Philbin were spectacular without being theatrical, unlike the performing seals that were the House managers. They actually did focus on facts, not mind-reading, and the facts they addressed were all drawn from Bug-eyed Schiff's and Fat Jerry's own witnesses, since the President was not allowed any defense or witnesses.

Bug-eyed Schiff and his fellow impeachifiers give new meaning to the word hypocrisy. They all cried for fairness and due process when Bill Clinton was being impeached. They saw to it that Trump was provided with neither; no counsel, no witnesses, no fairness and no due process.

This entire debacle should be over by Wednesday. Bug-eyed Schiff's two silly articles should be dismissed out of hand. We can all now see clearly who and what Bug-eyed Schiff and his impeachment cultists are: pompous, angry traitors to our Constitution. They will be outsmarted by the Founders and the scholars who actually do know and revere our founding document and the law. Their petty vindictiveness will condemn them to failure and a legacy of bumbling malfeasance.

When the history of this attempted coup is written, all those who participated in this monstrous crime will be forever known as the Benedict Arnolds of the early 21st century.

 

[froggy]

Every testimony that the house had was based on assumption and hearsay no hard proof

Because Trump refused to allow any witness with first-hand information to testify. Why hasn't Don the Con offered to testify in his own defense, I wonder?

the only thing the house had was here hearsayers and assumers no real proof of any wrong

 

[task0778]

So, were they that stupid? Or did they know, were they aware but were heedless and uncaring of the collateral damage for the future? And maybe the biggest question of all: will we let them get away with it? I'd like to think not, at least not in the 2020 election anyway.

 

[georgephillip]

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law.

Trump refused to provide congress with any evidence, documents or witnesses; that has never happened before.

Four Republicans can decide to hear from Bolton in the Senate trial; if they refuse, they will become complicit in the cover up.

Here's the Proof that Trump's "No Quid Pro Quo" Call Never Happened

• "During a July 10, 2019 meeting at the White House, the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union told Ukrainians officials that there would be a 'pre-requisite of investigations' before any White House meeting would occur. (Sondland Opening Statement, Nov. 20, 2019, at 10; Hill Depo. at 27; Vindman Depo. at 29)
• "During a July 25, 2019 phone call, President Trump asked President Zelenskyy for the 'favor' of an investigation into Joe Biden and the false, Russian-backed claims that it was Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. (Memcon of Trump-Zelenskyy Call, July 25, 2019)
• "Following a July 26, 2019 meeting between the Ambassador to the EU and Ukrainians officials, President Trump asked the ambassador, 'So [Zelenskyy is] going to do the investigation?', to which the ambassador replied, 'He’s going to do it.' (Holmes Depo. at 24; Sondland Testimony on Nov. 20, 2019)"

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law.

Trump refused to provide congress with any evidence, documents or witnesses; that has never happened before.

Four Republicans can decide to hear from Bolton in the Senate trial; if they refuse, they will become complicit in the cover up.

Here's the Proof that Trump's "No Quid Pro Quo" Call Never Happened

• "During a July 10, 2019 meeting at the White House, the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union told Ukrainians officials that there would be a 'pre-requisite of investigations' before any White House meeting would occur. (Sondland Opening Statement, Nov. 20, 2019, at 10; Hill Depo. at 27; Vindman Depo. at 29)
• "During a July 25, 2019 phone call, President Trump asked President Zelenskyy for the 'favor' of an investigation into Joe Biden and the false, Russian-backed claims that it was Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. (Memcon of Trump-Zelenskyy Call, July 25, 2019)
• "Following a July 26, 2019 meeting between the Ambassador to the EU and Ukrainians officials, President Trump asked the ambassador, 'So [Zelenskyy is] going to do the investigation?', to which the ambassador replied, 'He’s going to do it.' (Holmes Depo. at 24; Sondland Testimony on Nov. 20, 2019)"

Even While Criticizing Trump, Ukraine President Slaps Down ‘Quid Pro Quo’ Claim

 

[georgephillip]

Furthermore he released the transcript. In WJC’s impeachment we all knew he had relations with an intern and lied. Black and white. N

Clinton testified under oath during his impeachment. Why is Trump afraid to do likewise?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-clinton-impeached

"In four hours of closed-door testimony, conducted in the Map Room of the White House, Clinton spoke live via closed-circuit television to a grand jury in a nearby federal courthouse. He was the first sitting president ever to testify before a grand jury investigating his conduct."

Clinton and Trump both deserved impeachment, and Trump also deserves to be removed from office before facing civil and criminal charges in court.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Furthermore he released the transcript. In WJC’s impeachment we all knew he had relations with an intern and lied. Black and white. N

Clinton testified under oath during his impeachment. Why is Trump afraid to do likewise?

https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/president-clinton-impeached

"In four hours of closed-door testimony, conducted in the Map Room of the White House, Clinton spoke live via closed-circuit television to a grand jury in a nearby federal courthouse. He was the first sitting president ever to testify before a grand jury investigating his conduct."

Clinton and Trump both deserved impeachment, and Trump also deserves to be removed from office before facing civil and criminal charges in court.

Because what he (WJC) did actually happened. Trump released the transcript. Do you want Trump to replay the call? I am not sure what more you get out of Trump when you have his verbiage in black an white.

 

[georgephillip]

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law.

Trump refused to provide congress with any evidence, documents or witnesses; that has never happened before.

Four Republicans can decide to hear from Bolton in the Senate trial; if they refuse, they will become complicit in the cover up.

Here's the Proof that Trump's "No Quid Pro Quo" Call Never Happened

• "During a July 10, 2019 meeting at the White House, the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union told Ukrainians officials that there would be a 'pre-requisite of investigations' before any White House meeting would occur. (Sondland Opening Statement, Nov. 20, 2019, at 10; Hill Depo. at 27; Vindman Depo. at 29)
• "During a July 25, 2019 phone call, President Trump asked President Zelenskyy for the 'favor' of an investigation into Joe Biden and the false, Russian-backed claims that it was Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. (Memcon of Trump-Zelenskyy Call, July 25, 2019)
• "Following a July 26, 2019 meeting between the Ambassador to the EU and Ukrainians officials, President Trump asked the ambassador, 'So [Zelenskyy is] going to do the investigation?', to which the ambassador replied, 'He’s going to do it.' (Holmes Depo. at 24; Sondland Testimony on Nov. 20, 2019)"

Even While Criticizing Trump, Ukraine President Slaps Down ‘Quid Pro Quo’ Claim

Your link:

"But, as he’s done consistently, Zelensky rejected any talk of the potential corruption investigations being linked to the U.S. military aid.

"'Look, I never talked to the President from the position of a quid pro quo,' said the Ukrainian president. 'That’s not my thing. … I don’t want us to look like beggars. But you have to understand. We’re at war. If you’re our strategic partner, then you can’t go blocking anything for us. I think that’s just about fairness. It’s not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying.'"

Would you really expect Zelensky to bite the hand that feeds him as long as a corrupt crony capitalist occupies the Oval Office?

Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law.

Trump refused to provide congress with any evidence, documents or witnesses; that has never happened before.

Four Republicans can decide to hear from Bolton in the Senate trial; if they refuse, they will become complicit in the cover up.

Here's the Proof that Trump's "No Quid Pro Quo" Call Never Happened

• "During a July 10, 2019 meeting at the White House, the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union told Ukrainians officials that there would be a 'pre-requisite of investigations' before any White House meeting would occur. (Sondland Opening Statement, Nov. 20, 2019, at 10; Hill Depo. at 27; Vindman Depo. at 29)
• "During a July 25, 2019 phone call, President Trump asked President Zelenskyy for the 'favor' of an investigation into Joe Biden and the false, Russian-backed claims that it was Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. (Memcon of Trump-Zelenskyy Call, July 25, 2019)
• "Following a July 26, 2019 meeting between the Ambassador to the EU and Ukrainians officials, President Trump asked the ambassador, 'So [Zelenskyy is] going to do the investigation?', to which the ambassador replied, 'He’s going to do it.' (Holmes Depo. at 24; Sondland Testimony on Nov. 20, 2019)"

Even While Criticizing Trump, Ukraine President Slaps Down ‘Quid Pro Quo’ Claim

Your link:

"But, as he’s done consistently, Zelensky rejected any talk of the potential corruption investigations being linked to the U.S. military aid.

"'Look, I never talked to the President from the position of a quid pro quo,' said the Ukrainian president. 'That’s not my thing. … I don’t want us to look like beggars. But you have to understand. We’re at war. If you’re our strategic partner, then you can’t go blocking anything for us. I think that’s just about fairness. It’s not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying.'"

Would you really expect Zelensky to bite the hand that feeds him as long as a corrupt crony capitalist occupies the Oval Office?

Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

No one has ESP. If he says it, I believe him.

 

[mudwhistle]

Let them speak: Most Americans want witnesses in Trump impeachment trial - Reuters/Ipsos poll

"A bipartisan majority of Americans want to see new witnesses testify in the impeachment trial of President Donald Trump, and the public appears to be largely following the proceedings even after a bruising congressional inquiry that lasted several months, according to Reuters/Ipsos polling released Wednesday...."

"About 72% agreed that the trial 'should allow witnesses with firsthand knowledge of the impeachment charges to testify,' including 84% of Democrats and 69% of Republicans. And 70% of the public, including 80% of Democrats and 73% of Republicans, said senators should 'act as impartial jurors” during the trial.'"

Maybe Trump will testify and clear everything up?

They wanted Witnesses in the house too but did they get them

They got every witness they wanted.
Republicans got zero.

 

[mudwhistle]

The opinion that there was a quid pro quo. It is impossible to prove intent I think this matter. The House did not go about asking for the witnesses correctly and Trump’s attorneys followed the law.

Trump refused to provide congress with any evidence, documents or witnesses; that has never happened before.

Four Republicans can decide to hear from Bolton in the Senate trial; if they refuse, they will become complicit in the cover up.

Here's the Proof that Trump's "No Quid Pro Quo" Call Never Happened

• "During a July 10, 2019 meeting at the White House, the U.S. Ambassador to the European Union told Ukrainians officials that there would be a 'pre-requisite of investigations' before any White House meeting would occur. (Sondland Opening Statement, Nov. 20, 2019, at 10; Hill Depo. at 27; Vindman Depo. at 29)
• "During a July 25, 2019 phone call, President Trump asked President Zelenskyy for the 'favor' of an investigation into Joe Biden and the false, Russian-backed claims that it was Ukraine that interfered in the 2016 U.S. election. (Memcon of Trump-Zelenskyy Call, July 25, 2019)
• "Following a July 26, 2019 meeting between the Ambassador to the EU and Ukrainians officials, President Trump asked the ambassador, 'So [Zelenskyy is] going to do the investigation?', to which the ambassador replied, 'He’s going to do it.' (Holmes Depo. at 24; Sondland Testimony on Nov. 20, 2019)"

Even While Criticizing Trump, Ukraine President Slaps Down ‘Quid Pro Quo’ Claim

Your link:

"But, as he’s done consistently, Zelensky rejected any talk of the potential corruption investigations being linked to the U.S. military aid.

"'Look, I never talked to the President from the position of a quid pro quo,' said the Ukrainian president. 'That’s not my thing. … I don’t want us to look like beggars. But you have to understand. We’re at war. If you’re our strategic partner, then you can’t go blocking anything for us. I think that’s just about fairness. It’s not about a quid pro quo. It just goes without saying.'"

Would you really expect Zelensky to bite the hand that feeds him as long as a corrupt crony capitalist occupies the Oval Office?

Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says

Democrats making business as usual look like criminal activities for over 20 years.....but only when Republicans do it.

 

[georgephillip]

Because what he (WJC) did actually happened. Trump released the transcript. Do you want Trump to replay the call? I am not sure what more you get out of Trump when you have his verbiage in black an white.

Clinton lied about consensual sex.
He deserved impeachment but not removal.
Trump lied about extorting a foreign leader for help in an upcoming US election; he deserves impeachment and conviction and worse.

Trump's Ukraine phone call, annotated

"The President (cont.)

"The former ambassador from the United States, the woman was bad news and the people she was dealing with in the Ukraine were bad news so I just want to let you know that. The other thing, here’s a lot of talk about Biden’s son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it… It sounds horrible to me."