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    Trump needs to ignore the press, and do what he will do.

    “There is nothing in the Constitution to indicate, nor is there any other basis for believing, that the President’s power to convene the Congress on extraordinary occasions depends upon the precise nature of the recess or the adjournment, that is, whether the adjournment is sine die, until a day certain, or until the majority leaders of the Congress find it in the public interest to reassemble the two houses,” [George T. - Deputy Solicitor General] Washington wrote in 1947.


    CONFIRMED: Trump Doesn't Need Nancy's Permission to Convene Congress for the State of the Union - Big League Politics
     
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    Yep, see Article 2. Section 3.

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    That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.
     
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    Funny how that log in your own eye occludes vision...
     
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    But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.
     
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    If we're shut down, there's no SS for Trump to 'speak' with....~S~
     
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    Agreed. She should not have attempted to stop the SOTU address on political grounds.

    However, Trump screwed up when he refused her flight to the middle east. He should have waited until they were airborne, canceled the flight and then refused her return flight.
     
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    the ball's in Trump's court

    This is his shutdown, he laid claim to that
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    It's bad enough any potus can have this power

    allowing him to further cherrypick who gets what/when is even worse

    how he deals with it defines what kind of leader we have

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    Obama didn't shut the govt down in 2013? 80 Tea Party Republicans in the House did....

    Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

    A quick recap
    In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

    The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

    Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

    Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

    We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

    But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

    At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

    The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

    The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

    On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

    The current impasse
    The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

    The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

    Our ruling
    A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

    First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

    Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

    There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.
     
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