Whack-A-Bitch

[Care4all]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

Obama didn't shut the govt down in 2013? 80 Tea Party Republicans in the House did....

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

He punished the veterans while letting illegals use the memorial. You gonna stick up for him for that?

Facts are facts whether you like it or not. Republicans were the cause of it.

Obama could've opened it right back up. Why didn't he?

No he couldn't...

 

[Seawytch]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

 

[jknowgood]

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

Obama didn't shut the govt down in 2013? 80 Tea Party Republicans in the House did....

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

He punished the veterans while letting illegals use the memorial. You gonna stick up for him for that?

Facts are facts whether you like it or not. Republicans were the cause of it.

Obama could've opened it right back up. Why didn't he?

No he couldn't...

Lol, so by your reasoning. Trump can't open goverment back up either?

 

[jknowgood]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

 

[Care4all]

they are just not getting paid while they put their life on the line to protect the guy not paying them...

Guess Pelosi should start negotiating.

I agree, she should

You believe that we should give in to the demands of hostage takers? What about the kind of precedent it sets? Every time a president doesn't get what they want they can just shut down the government until they get it?

Plus he gave nothing.... he stole a wallet so to say, and now is claiming that him giving the wallet he stole in the first place back is him negotiating.... such ebullient......

DACA existed, Trump took it away, and now is giving it back for only 3 years?? It is laughable.....

And refugees who had temporary protection status, which he jerked away, and is now giving it back claiming he's giving something?

This Art f the deal idiot is a Joker.

But most importantly, NO PRESIDENT should ever be able to shut the gvt down on a whim, as a tantrum to get what he wants.....

Can you imagine Obama saying he would shut the gvt down until all 11 million illegals were given citizenship???

For Christ sake, DACA wasn't a permanent fix, it was temporary. Do you fricken clowns know anything, or you just spew?
This Is Why President Obama Couldn't Make DACA Law

Of course I know that DACA was temporary protection for the children of illegals until congress could write a law to give a pathway to citizenship....

 

[Dragonlady]

Obama didn't shut the govt down in 2013? 80 Tea Party Republicans in the House did....

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

He punished the veterans while letting illegals use the memorial. You gonna stick up for him for that?

Facts are facts whether you like it or not. Republicans were the cause of it.

Obama could've opened it right back up. Why didn't he?

No he couldn't...

Lol, so by your reasoning. Trump can't open goverment back up either?

He can because the House and Senate have passed the bills to re-open the Senate. All he had to do was sign them but he refused. So yes, TRUMP owns this shut down.

 

[Care4all]

Obama didn't shut the govt down in 2013? 80 Tea Party Republicans in the House did....

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

He punished the veterans while letting illegals use the memorial. You gonna stick up for him for that?

Facts are facts whether you like it or not. Republicans were the cause of it.

Obama could've opened it right back up. Why didn't he?

No he couldn't...

Lol, so by your reasoning. Trump can't open goverment back up either?

by signing the bill that the Senate unanimously passed that the house passed under Pelosi, he could....

 

[Thinker101]

Guess Pelosi should start negotiating.

I agree, she should

You believe that we should give in to the demands of hostage takers? What about the kind of precedent it sets? Every time a president doesn't get what they want they can just shut down the government until they get it?

Plus he gave nothing.... he stole a wallet so to say, and now is claiming that him giving the wallet he stole in the first place back is him negotiating.... such ebullient......

DACA existed, Trump took it away, and now is giving it back for only 3 years?? It is laughable.....

And refugees who had temporary protection status, which he jerked away, and is now giving it back claiming he's giving something?

This Art f the deal idiot is a Joker.

But most importantly, NO PRESIDENT should ever be able to shut the gvt down on a whim, as a tantrum to get what he wants.....

Can you imagine Obama saying he would shut the gvt down until all 11 million illegals were given citizenship???

For Christ sake, DACA wasn't a permanent fix, it was temporary. Do you fricken clowns know anything, or you just spew?
This Is Why President Obama Couldn't Make DACA Law

Of course I know that DACA was temporary protection for the children of illegals until congress could write a law to give a pathway to citizenship....

Well you sure didn't know it 20 minutes ago when you said it existed and Trump took it away.

 

[Care4all]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

Link?

 

[Care4all]

I agree, she should

You believe that we should give in to the demands of hostage takers? What about the kind of precedent it sets? Every time a president doesn't get what they want they can just shut down the government until they get it?

Plus he gave nothing.... he stole a wallet so to say, and now is claiming that him giving the wallet he stole in the first place back is him negotiating.... such ebullient......

DACA existed, Trump took it away, and now is giving it back for only 3 years?? It is laughable.....

And refugees who had temporary protection status, which he jerked away, and is now giving it back claiming he's giving something?

This Art f the deal idiot is a Joker.

But most importantly, NO PRESIDENT should ever be able to shut the gvt down on a whim, as a tantrum to get what he wants.....

Can you imagine Obama saying he would shut the gvt down until all 11 million illegals were given citizenship???

For Christ sake, DACA wasn't a permanent fix, it was temporary. Do you fricken clowns know anything, or you just spew?
This Is Why President Obama Couldn't Make DACA Law

Of course I know that DACA was temporary protection for the children of illegals until congress could write a law to give a pathway to citizenship....

Well you sure didn't know it 20 minutes ago when you said it existed and Trump took it away.

He took the temp status away, but was sued for it, and a court gave it back Thinker....

 

[Seawytch]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

He didn't go out of his way to do anything. He followed the rules. I realize Trump doesn't and you don't care. I can't help that.

 

[jknowgood]

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

Link?

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

Obama didn't shut the govt down in 2013? 80 Tea Party Republicans in the House did....

Meme overplays comparison between 2013 and 2018 shutdowns

A quick recap
In September 2013, two issues were in play, the Affordable Care Act and raising the debt ceiling –– the legal amount the government is allowed to borrow.

The Affordable Care Act, passed in 2010, was due to begin in earnest in 2014. The individual mandate requiring people to have insurance would come into force. Coverage would start for Americans who signed up through government insurance marketplaces (although the meltdown of the federal Healthcare.gov website was about to throw that step into chaos).

Republicans, primarily in the House, aimed to defund Obamacare. None of the 12 regular appropriation bills to pay for government operations had been passed. A group of 80 House Republicans signed a letter to House Speaker John Boehner saying this was the time to eliminate any dollars that would allow Obamacare to move forward.

Before the shutdown, Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., warned that a shutdown would be a bad idea and in any event wouldn’t block most of Obamacare from moving forward.

We rated that claim Mostly True. Most key parts of the law – the insurance marketplace, the premium subsidies, and the taxes and regulations – would continue unimpeded.

But if Obamacare was one rallying cry, the debt ceiling turned out to be just as important. The government was closing in on the legal limit of $16.699 trillion in debt. Without the flexibility to borrow more, Washington faced the prospect of not being able to pay back Treasury notes as they came due. Republicans wanted broader spending cuts in exchange for raising the debt limit.

At the time, Republicans controlled the House, and Democrats held the Senate. Obama had said he would veto any bill that defunded Obamacare. His veto threat and the Democratic-controlled Senate doomed any measure that undermined the fledgling health care program.

The House passed several bills that eliminated Obamacare funding, and the Senate kept stripping out those provisions.

The government shutdown began on Oct. 1. On Oct. 15, the rating agency Fitch said the U.S. government’s credit worthiness would be reviewed. A downgrade would have dramatically increased borrowing costs.

On Oct. 16, Senate Democrats and Republicans came to terms, agreeing to raise the debt ceiling and keep government open through mid December. Obamacare funding was untouched.

The current impasse
The latest shutdown stems from President Trump’s desire for $5 billion to build a wall along the border with Mexico. The Republican-controlled Senate declined to make that part of its funding plan because it couldn't get the needed 60 votes to eventually pass the spending plan. The House passed a measure with money for the wall.

The wall appears to be the only significant element that separates the sides.

Our ruling
A Facebook post said that Obama shut down the government in 2013 to force Obamacare. There are a couple of key differences between then and today.

First, leading Republicans, including Ryan, noted that Obamacare largely would move forward even if some elements were defunded. In that sense, Obama was not fighting to "force" Obamacare, because he didn’t need to.

Second, in 2013, two issues, Obamacare and the debt ceiling, were on the table. In 2018, funding for the wall stands alone. In 2013, a compromise on the debt ceiling cleared the way to reopen the government.

There is also a legal difference. In 2013, Obamacare was already law. Funding for the wall is not.

He punished the veterans while letting illegals use the memorial. You gonna stick up for him for that?

Huh? He what???

You really gotta learn to pay attention.
Immigration rally allowed on Mall despite shutdown

Right there, i swear no wonder you liked Obama. You knew absolutley nothing about him.

Here is a picture of the memorial during Obama's shut down. Notice the armed gaurd he put there.

 

[Thinker101]

You believe that we should give in to the demands of hostage takers? What about the kind of precedent it sets? Every time a president doesn't get what they want they can just shut down the government until they get it?

Plus he gave nothing.... he stole a wallet so to say, and now is claiming that him giving the wallet he stole in the first place back is him negotiating.... such ebullient......

DACA existed, Trump took it away, and now is giving it back for only 3 years?? It is laughable.....

And refugees who had temporary protection status, which he jerked away, and is now giving it back claiming he's giving something?

This Art f the deal idiot is a Joker.

But most importantly, NO PRESIDENT should ever be able to shut the gvt down on a whim, as a tantrum to get what he wants.....

Can you imagine Obama saying he would shut the gvt down until all 11 million illegals were given citizenship???

For Christ sake, DACA wasn't a permanent fix, it was temporary. Do you fricken clowns know anything, or you just spew?
This Is Why President Obama Couldn't Make DACA Law

Of course I know that DACA was temporary protection for the children of illegals until congress could write a law to give a pathway to citizenship....

Well you sure didn't know it 20 minutes ago when you said it existed and Trump took it away.

He took the temp status away, but was sued for it, and a court gave it back Thinker....

For some reason you feel "temporary" means "permanent"?

 

[jknowgood]

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

He didn't go out of his way to do anything. He followed the rules. I realize Trump doesn't and you don't care. I can't help that.

Then why did he allow illegals use it for a rally?

 

[OldLady]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

What favorable light? It's a slam against his childish behavior and the glee he no doubt gets from it.

 

[Weatherman2020]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

Who tried to prevent the President from addressing the nation?

 

[Seawytch]

But was totally mature for Obama to close the goverment. Then close the WW2 monument to vetrans. Then open it up to illegals to hold a march? No, that's not immuturity, it proves how bad you hate the military.

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

Link?

That one is easy, the government was shut down. I want a link to these "illegals" that Obama allegedly "let" protest.

 

[sparky]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

Who tried to prevent the President from addressing the nation?

errruhhhmmm, the president shut his own SOTU addy down

~S~

 

[Seawytch]

That you see such childish behaviour in a favourable light, shows what a dipshit you truly are.

Who tried to prevent the President from addressing the nation?

Nobody. He's not prevented from addressing the nation. He can do it from the oval office. He can do it at a rally since he needs a sycophantic audience so badly.

 

[Seawytch]

The trouble is that shutdown was caused by Congressional Republicans. Republicans seem to love shutting down government.

Closing down a monument to our WW2 vets so they couldn't see it. Some might not live long enough to come back. That's okay with you? Obama went way out of his way to shut it down. But let illegals hold a rally. So tell me, do you hate our veterans that back too?

The Republicans shut down the government in 2013 (links helpfully provided in Care4all's post #11). Republicans controlled the house and the senate. Obama could not arbitrarily open the government. Despite the powers you want to grant Trump, the president is not king. When the government is shut down, only essential personnel go to work.

Of course, in the Trump admin, granting oil leases is essential...

the Interior Department is bringing back dozens of furloughed employees to work on selling oil and gas drilling leases in the Gulf of Mexico — ​

Why did Obama go out of his way to close a monument for our WW2 veterans?

He didn't go out of his way to do anything. He followed the rules. I realize Trump doesn't and you don't care. I can't help that.

Then why did he allow illegals use it for a rally?

AHA, finally found it.

"Under the same First Amendment rights that are allowing Honor Flight veterans and their families to visit the veterans memorials on the National Mall, other groups will be granted access to the park for First Amendment activities in accordance with National Park Service established regulations," Litterst said in a statement.​