WH OFFICIAL SCATHING OP ED NYT re Trump incompetence and AMORALITY!

[Oldstyle]

So did you want to take a crack at explaining why Hillary was able to get away with running a "pay for play" scam at the State Department to bring in millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation?

 

[Faun]

b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election. 11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).


Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

I'm curious...do you think endlessly repeating something that has ZERO bearing on the meeting that took place somehow means you'll convince anyone that it does? Veselnitskaya was not an "officer" or "agent" of a foreign government...she was in the US as the lawyer of a private Russian citizen.

You seriously need to educate yourself. Veselnitskaya went there to represent the Russian government to get rid of the Magnitsky Act. Who do you think was working in coordination with her to do that? Enough said.

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Lying con tool …. where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).

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The only people making donations to a candidate in that election were all of the foreign nationals that were giving millions to the Clinton Foundation that Hillary was then using to help fund her reelection campaign, Faun. Are you claiming that Veselnitskaya gave money to the Trump campaign? I must have missed when that happened!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?
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(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

 

[WTP]

Where in your statute does it say that a campaign can't get dirt on an opponent from a non American?

b)Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election. 11 CFR 110.20 - Prohibition on contributions, donations, expenditures, independent expenditures, and disbursements by foreign nationals (52 U.S.C. 30121, 36 U.S.C. 510).


Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

I'm curious...do you think endlessly repeating something that has ZERO bearing on the meeting that took place somehow means you'll convince anyone that it does? Veselnitskaya was not an "officer" or "agent" of a foreign government...she was in the US as the lawyer of a private Russian citizen.

You seriously need to educate yourself. Veselnitskaya went there to represent the Russian government to get rid of the Magnitsky Act. Who do you think was working in coordination with her to do that? Enough said.

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Lying con tool …. where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).

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This guy needs help from mental professionals. I'm not kidding. He has zero understanding of written law for one, and he invents scenarios that never existed. He is obviously too mentally gone to present anything that bears any truth. And when he is boxed in, he simply changes the narrative, whereby he goes in circles again from one topic to the next. Sometimes going back to the same old lies he made up days ago. Haven't run across one like this before. He needs help.

 

[Oldstyle]

I'm curious...do you think endlessly repeating something that has ZERO bearing on the meeting that took place somehow means you'll convince anyone that it does? Veselnitskaya was not an "officer" or "agent" of a foreign government...she was in the US as the lawyer of a private Russian citizen.

You seriously need to educate yourself. Veselnitskaya went there to represent the Russian government to get rid of the Magnitsky Act. Who do you think was working in coordination with her to do that? Enough said.

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Lying con tool …. where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).

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The only people making donations to a candidate in that election were all of the foreign nationals that were giving millions to the Clinton Foundation that Hillary was then using to help fund her reelection campaign, Faun. Are you claiming that Veselnitskaya gave money to the Trump campaign? I must have missed when that happened!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?
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(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals! Hillary on the other hand was taking so much of it that she needed to set up those private servers in her home to run the scheme.

 

[Faun]

You seriously need to educate yourself. Veselnitskaya went there to represent the Russian government to get rid of the Magnitsky Act. Who do you think was working in coordination with her to do that? Enough said.

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Lying con tool …. where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).

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The only people making donations to a candidate in that election were all of the foreign nationals that were giving millions to the Clinton Foundation that Hillary was then using to help fund her reelection campaign, Faun. Are you claiming that Veselnitskaya gave money to the Trump campaign? I must have missed when that happened!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?
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(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

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_______________________________________​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals! Hillary on the other hand was taking so much of it that she needed to set up those private servers in her home to run the scheme.

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?


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(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

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[Oldstyle]

That statute makes it illegal to pump money into American elections from overseas entities, Faun! Now let's see...who in the last election took in millions of dollars from foreign donors through their "Foundation" and then used that foundation's money to pay part of the salaries of their election staff? I'll give you a hint...it wasn't Donald Trump!

You on the left have tried to alter the meaning of that statute from money to any assistance of any kind...including simply passing on negative information about a candidate. Why are you doing so? Because if you can't...you have ZERO to accuse the Trump campaign of!

 

[Oldstyle]

Now if you REALLY want to enforce that statute...for the reasons it was originally passed...then you should demand that the Justice Department investigate the Clinton campaign and it's use of the Clinton Foundation to pay part of the salaries of top staffers that were primarily working on Clinton's election!

 

[Oldstyle]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

 

[Faun]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

 

[Oldstyle]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

 

[Faun]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals!

... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

 

[Oldstyle]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals!

... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

So what you desperately need, Faun is for an exchange of information to be considered a "thing of value" because it's obvious that the only person in that race who DID take money from foreign nationals was Hillary Clinton! You know as well as I do that the statute is not referring to information...it's referring to monetary contributions or donations!

What's really laughable is that not only is it not illegal under that statute to be told "dirt" about an opponent...no "dirt" was even given! Nothing of value of any kind was exchanged at the Trump Tower meeting!

 

[Oldstyle]

And if you DID bend that statute to mean an exchange of information is illegal if obtained from foreign nationals then you're right back to accusing Trump of attempting to do something that we now know Hillary Clinton DID! She obtained a series of "dossiers" from Richard Steele and unnamed people in the Kremlin which her campaign then used as a last minute smear job on Donald Trump!

 

[Faun]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals!

... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

So what you desperately need, Faun is for an exchange of information to be considered a "thing of value" because it's obvious that the only person in that race who DID take money from foreign nationals was Hillary Clinton! You know as well as I do that the statute is not referring to information...it's referring to monetary contributions or donations!

What's really laughable is that not only is it not illegal under that statute to be told "dirt" about an opponent...no "dirt" was even given! Nothing of value of any kind was exchanged at the Trump Tower meeting!

Dirt on the opposition is a thing of value to a campaign, ya lying con tool.

 

[Oldstyle]

But you won't do that, Faun because this was NEVER about keeping foreign money out of our elections...this was ALWAYS about you on the left trying to come up with something to charge Donald Trump with so you can impeach him! What's amusing is that everything you try unsuccessfully to pin on him...is something that Hillary Clinton actually DID!

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
​

_______________________________________​

(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals!

... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

So what you desperately need, Faun is for an exchange of information to be considered a "thing of value" because it's obvious that the only person in that race who DID take money from foreign nationals was Hillary Clinton! You know as well as I do that the statute is not referring to information...it's referring to monetary contributions or donations!

What's really laughable is that not only is it not illegal under that statute to be told "dirt" about an opponent...no "dirt" was even given! Nothing of value of any kind was exchanged at the Trump Tower meeting!

Dirt on the opposition is a thing of value to a campaign, ya lying con tool.

Only for someone as desperate as you are to make the statute fit, Faun! As I said before the statute was passed to keep foreign nationals from pouring money into our elections to influence them.

Once again even if "dirt" WAS a thing of value (which I think you know that statute isn't referring to!) no dirt was provided. In contrast, foreign nationals provided hundreds of pages of made up "dirt" on Donald Trump which the Clinton campaign then used smear him! So even if your claim that the statute applies to information and not just to cash or things that have a cash value was valid...which I don't think is the case...the only person who violated that statute in regards to information is Hillary Clinton (along with the millions that she took in as well!).

 

[skookerasbil]

Nobody cares about this now......

 

[Faun]

Lying con tool … answer the question ….

where does that statute limit "foreign nationals" to only foreign government officials?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.
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(3) Foreign national means -

(i) A foreign principal, as defined in 22 U.S.C. 611(b); or

(ii) An individual who is not a citizen of the United States and who is not lawfully admitted for permanent residence, as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(20); however,

(iii)Foreign national shall not include any individual who is a citizen of the United States, or who is a national of the United States as defined in 8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(22).​

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals!

... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

So what you desperately need, Faun is for an exchange of information to be considered a "thing of value" because it's obvious that the only person in that race who DID take money from foreign nationals was Hillary Clinton! You know as well as I do that the statute is not referring to information...it's referring to monetary contributions or donations!

What's really laughable is that not only is it not illegal under that statute to be told "dirt" about an opponent...no "dirt" was even given! Nothing of value of any kind was exchanged at the Trump Tower meeting!

Dirt on the opposition is a thing of value to a campaign, ya lying con tool.

Only for someone as desperate as you are to make the statute fit, Faun! As I said before the statute was passed to keep foreign nationals from pouring money into our elections to influence them.

Once again even if "dirt" WAS a thing of value (which I think you know that statute isn't referring to!) no dirt was provided. In contrast, foreign nationals provided hundreds of pages of made up "dirt" on Donald Trump which the Clinton campaign then used smear him! So even if your claim that the statute applies to information and not just to cash or things that have a cash value was valid...which I don't think is the case...the only person who violated that statute in regards to information is Hillary Clinton (along with the millions that she took in as well!).

Lying con tool, the statute is crystal clear; it’s not only about monetary donations, but includes any “other thing of value” to a campaign. That includes dirt on the opposition. Your lies can’t wash that clean.

 

[Faun]

Nobody cares about this now......

Then don’t post here.

 

[Oldstyle]

When did I ever claim the statute only applied to government officials? I simply pointed out to your clueless friend that the Russian lawyer he keeps claiming was working for the Kremlin was in fact in the US representing a private Russian.

The point I keep making...one that you and WTP studiously ignore...is that the statute you both keep bringing up was put into place to keep foreigners from pumping money into US elections to help one side or another. So let's talk about who REALLY violated that statute! Donald Trump didn't use a pay for play scheme to funnel millions of dollars in "contributions" from scores of foreign nationals but Hillary Clinton DID! So if the two of you are REALLY concerned about the sanctity of our elections you should be calling for an investigation into the Clinton Foundation and how Clinton used it to help pay part of the salaries of people who worked on her election!

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

No, YOU need to educate yourself! Veselnitskaya was there as the lawyer for Denis Katsyv...a Russian businessman who was being hurt by the Nagnitsky Act. She was not there in any official capacity whatsoever with the Russian government!

Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

Do you two buffoons not grasp that that statute refers to foreign nationals giving money to a candidate or a campaign? Trump didn't take money from foreign nationals!

... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

So what you desperately need, Faun is for an exchange of information to be considered a "thing of value" because it's obvious that the only person in that race who DID take money from foreign nationals was Hillary Clinton! You know as well as I do that the statute is not referring to information...it's referring to monetary contributions or donations!

What's really laughable is that not only is it not illegal under that statute to be told "dirt" about an opponent...no "dirt" was even given! Nothing of value of any kind was exchanged at the Trump Tower meeting!

Dirt on the opposition is a thing of value to a campaign, ya lying con tool.

Only for someone as desperate as you are to make the statute fit, Faun! As I said before the statute was passed to keep foreign nationals from pouring money into our elections to influence them.

Once again even if "dirt" WAS a thing of value (which I think you know that statute isn't referring to!) no dirt was provided. In contrast, foreign nationals provided hundreds of pages of made up "dirt" on Donald Trump which the Clinton campaign then used smear him! So even if your claim that the statute applies to information and not just to cash or things that have a cash value was valid...which I don't think is the case...the only person who violated that statute in regards to information is Hillary Clinton (along with the millions that she took in as well!).

Lying con tool, the statute is crystal clear; it’s not only about monetary donations, but includes any “other thing of value” to a campaign. That includes dirt on the opposition. Your lies can’t wash that clean.

I don't read the statute that way at all, Faun. I think the people who wrote the statute were anticipating that if they banned cash donations coming in from foreign nationals that a donation of something of great value that could be sold to generate cash would be a way that campaigns would get around the statute...thus the addition of any "other thing of value" to the statute so foreign nationals couldn't donate real estate or fine art or a jet plane to a campaign!

Banning foreign nationals from providing information to campaigns isn't something that statute was passed to prohibit. Once again...you need it to do that because if it doesn't you have nothing to attack Trump on. Once again...even if Trump HAD gotten dirt from that meeting (which he didn't!) how would that in any way be different than the dirt that the Clinton campaign was alleging they were getting from insiders in the Kremlin?

 

[Faun]

When your lying defense of a potential violation of that statute was...

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Now that we’ve established her actions could be criminal based on that act even though she’s not a government official, let’s move onto your next lie, ya lying con tool...

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... where does that statute limit contributions to monetary donations?

(b) Contributions and donations by foreign nationals in connection with elections. A foreign national shall not, directly or indirectly, make a contribution or a donation of money or other thing of value, or expressly or impliedly promise to make a contribution or a donation, in connection with any Federal, State, or local election.​

So what you desperately need, Faun is for an exchange of information to be considered a "thing of value" because it's obvious that the only person in that race who DID take money from foreign nationals was Hillary Clinton! You know as well as I do that the statute is not referring to information...it's referring to monetary contributions or donations!

What's really laughable is that not only is it not illegal under that statute to be told "dirt" about an opponent...no "dirt" was even given! Nothing of value of any kind was exchanged at the Trump Tower meeting!

Dirt on the opposition is a thing of value to a campaign, ya lying con tool.

Only for someone as desperate as you are to make the statute fit, Faun! As I said before the statute was passed to keep foreign nationals from pouring money into our elections to influence them.

Once again even if "dirt" WAS a thing of value (which I think you know that statute isn't referring to!) no dirt was provided. In contrast, foreign nationals provided hundreds of pages of made up "dirt" on Donald Trump which the Clinton campaign then used smear him! So even if your claim that the statute applies to information and not just to cash or things that have a cash value was valid...which I don't think is the case...the only person who violated that statute in regards to information is Hillary Clinton (along with the millions that she took in as well!).

Lying con tool, the statute is crystal clear; it’s not only about monetary donations, but includes any “other thing of value” to a campaign. That includes dirt on the opposition. Your lies can’t wash that clean.

I don't read the statute that way at all, Faun. I think the people who wrote the statute were anticipating that if they banned cash donations coming in from foreign nationals that a donation of something of great value that could be sold to generate cash would be a way that campaigns would get around the statute...thus the addition of any "other thing of value" to the statute so foreign nationals couldn't donate real estate or fine art or a jet plane to a campaign!

Banning foreign nationals from providing information to campaigns isn't something that statute was passed to prohibit. Once again...you need it to do that because if it doesn't you have nothing to attack Trump on. Once again...even if Trump HAD gotten dirt from that meeting (which he didn't!) how would that in any way be different than the dirt that the Clinton campaign was alleging they were getting from insiders in the Kremlin?

LOLOL

Now the lying con tool tells us we shouldn’t go by what the laws states, we should go by what he wants it to be.

Sorry, ya lying con tool, but you don’t get to define our laws. And that particular law states that ”money OR other thing of value” cannot be contributed to a campaign by a foreign national. That includes anything of value to a campaign; and that includes “dirt” on the opposition, which has value to a campaign.