Wesley Clark!

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    So who thinks that Wesley Clark's entry into the Democratic fray is going to change things?

    The last I heard was that the Dems were looking for a Dean-Clark ticket. Anyone think maybe this "campaign" is just to raise name recognition for Clark until people know him well enough for him to be viable as a VP candidate?

    Not that I would vote for him... even though we are both ring-knockers.
     
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    I would prefer Dick Clark myself! :)
     
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    This is the jerk who said we would have trouble going into Iraq and defeating their army with our troops. What a joke. Another Arkansas asshole.
     
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    Details of Russia's surprise occupation of Pristina airport at the end of the Kosovo war are revealed in a new BBC documentary on the conflict.

    For the first time, the key players in the tense confrontation between Nato and Russian troops talk about the stand-off which jeopardised the entire peacekeeping mission.


    The Russians, who played a crucial role in persuading Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic to end the war, had expected to police their own sector of Kosovo, independent of Nato.

    When they did not get it, they felt double-crossed.

    As Nato's K-For peacekeepers prepared to enter the province on 12 June, they discovered the Russians had got there first.

    A contingent of 200 troops, stationed in Bosnia, was already rolling towards Pristina airport.

    'Third World War'

    General Wesley Clark, Nato's supreme commander, immediately ordered 500 British and French paratroopers to be put on standby to occupy the airport.

    ''I called the [Nato] Secretary General [Javier Solana] and told him what the circumstances were,'' General Clark tells the BBC programme Moral Combat: Nato at War.

    ''He talked about what the risks were and what might happen if the Russian's got there first, and he said: 'Of course you have to get to the airport'.



    General Jackson: Backed by UK Government

    ''I said: 'Do you consider I have the authority to do so?' He said: 'Of course you do, you have transfer of authority'.''

    But General Clark's plan was blocked by General Sir Mike Jackson, K-For's British commander.

    "I'm not going to start the Third World War for you," he reportedly told General Clark during one heated exchange.

    General Jackson tells the BBC: ''We were [looking at] a possibility....of confrontation with the Russian contingent which seemed to me probably not the right way to start off a relationship with Russians who were going to become part of my command.''

    Russian plans

    The Russian advance party took the airport unopposed. The world watched nervously.

    A senior Russian officer, General Leonid Ivashev, tells the BBC how the Russians had plans to fly in thousands of troops.

    ''Let's just say that we had several airbases ready. We had battalions of paratroopers ready to leave within two hours,'' he said.

    Amid fears that Russian aircraft were heading for Pristina, General Clark planned to order British tanks and armoured cars to block the runways to prevent any transport planes from landing.

    General Clark said he believed it was ''an appropriate course of action''. But the plan was again vetoed by Britain.

    Partition fears

    Instead, he asked neighbouring countries, including Hungary and Romania not to allow Russian aircraft to overfly their territory.



    Russians are not under direct Nato command

    During the stand-off, Moscow insisted its troops would be answerable only to its own commanders.

    Nato refused to accept this, predicting it would lead to the partition of Kosovo into an ethnic Albanian south and a Serbian north.

    A deal on the deployment of Russian peacekeepers was reached in early July.

    The Russians now operate as part of K-For in sectors controlled by Nato states, but are not directly under Nato's command.

    Moral Combat: Nato at War will be broadcast at 9pm this Sunday on BBC2
     
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    wew! you go!!!! good post!
     
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    It's possible that they want him as the Veep.. I just don't know what those pesky Dems are up to.

    It really would be a solid strategy on their part, to get a retired General on board to try and deflect some of the hand-wringing, cowardly image that party has acquired as of late.

    However, Clark really made himself look like an ass during the Iraq war. I seem to recall seeing him predicting gloom and doom & wondering what all the idiots running the war were thinking. There simply weren't enough troops! There's no Northern front! What about the flanks?! We're bogged down, man!! It's another Vietnam!!!

    Yep, he really had the libs whipped into a frenzy, I was working with a couple of them at the time all this was going down. They repeated Clark's asinine comments about how inept the war was being executed, and I told them both that I wanted them to remember their words.

    Right about then the 3rd ID rolled into Saddam International & we all saw Baghdad Bob declaring there weren't ANY infidels anywhere near there!

    Clark had to have known better than that & he had to know that he was rolling the dice by bad mouthing the people that actually knew what the situation was. Being 'embedded' in the studio & getting his intel from Geraldo doesn't lend to accurate assessments.

    Personally, I really don't give the Dems any real chance of winning the White House in '04, that's why there aren't any heavyweights in the race.

    '08 frightens me, however. Hillary will run & there's enough stupid people out there that will vote for her.
     
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    My question, then: will the Dems nominate Clark as a 'winnable' candidate? Or will they go for Dean, the anti-Bush? A Dean-Clark ticket would have both elements, but would the hardcore Deanies go for such a militaristic VP? And would the lets-win-the-election Dems accept Dean as President?

    I don't think the factions of the Left can unite in such a manner to get Dean and Clark together on a ticket. Reagrdless, Bush would whoop Dean, if that's what eventually happens.

    As far as '08... probably a whole different thread, but I think you are right, Hillary is the undeclared standard-bearer for the Dems in '08.


     
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    Hillary in '08, now that's scary !
     
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    anyone but Bush 04`
    'because america is better than that*
     
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    Wow, this forum goes waaaaaaaaay back!
     

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