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Navy1960 said:Forgive me but, while the number of unemployed is less that it has been, that can hardly be measured as success unless we are not considering, 10.2% unemployment and 110K unemployed in one month as a success. The President in his state of the Union encouraged congress to pass Stimulus immediatly or we would lose an additional 2,3, or 4 million jobs in a a year. Well with the passage of this 750 billion dollar spending bill , we lost just what the President predicted we woud lose and spent the money anyway. So if lowering the standards are a measure of success then I suppose one could say that.
Please prove that ARRA saved any jobs at all. You can't CBO is guessing as is anyone who makes such a claim. There is simply no way to prove such a statement. And what Jobs were saved? Government Jobs?
Thousands of state and local jobs were "saved" -- like educators, first reponders -- which would have been cut back without transfer of a lot of the stimulus money to the states. Try using your Google feature for a change before making ridiculous comments.
You can't be this naive?
In one Ohio city a graduating police academy class of 50 was counted as saved and given jobs due to Obama's bailouts. ............... yet what isn't told is that 3 months later the same city was forced to pass a local city tax increase to save 250 police jobs.
In other words, 50 jobs which were counted towards the positive by the Obama Klan, was false, it was a smoke screen hiding the large problem.
Jobs paid for by the government cannot count as real job growth. Government jobs saved by bailouts cannot be seen as a positive. It's like tossing fairy dust on a wild fire and expecting something magical to save you!
Mike
The government can't create jobs.
Really? Tell it to the astronauts, who wouldn't have their jobs were it not for the multi-billion dollar government program to get to the moon in 10 years. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work in private sector jobs related to space science. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work for businesses and contractors maintaining the interstate highway system.
How many millions of Americans are employed in the defense industry both public and private?
Thousands of state and local jobs were "saved" -- like educators, first reponders -- which would have been cut back without transfer of a lot of the stimulus money to the states. Try using your Google feature for a change before making ridiculous comments.
You can't be this naive?
In one Ohio city a graduating police academy class of 50 was counted as saved and given jobs due to Obama's bailouts. ............... yet what isn't told is that 3 months later the same city was forced to pass a local city tax increase to save 250 police jobs.
In other words, 50 jobs which were counted towards the positive by the Obama Klan, was false, it was a smoke screen hiding the large problem.
Jobs paid for by the government cannot count as real job growth. Government jobs saved by bailouts cannot be seen as a positive. It's like tossing fairy dust on a wild fire and expecting something magical to save you!
Mike
As the economy continued to decline...which part of REALITY are you not able to comprehend?
Simply put, UNEMPLOYMENT is the RESULT of the far-reaching economic tsunami that began back in 2007. To sit here and argue who best can provide private sector jobs at this point in time is just flat-out dumb. People now having to "go on the gubmit dole" would argue that work is work. Fuck your Randian ideologies, bud.
You can't be this naive?
In one Ohio city a graduating police academy class of 50 was counted as saved and given jobs due to Obama's bailouts. ............... yet what isn't told is that 3 months later the same city was forced to pass a local city tax increase to save 250 police jobs.
In other words, 50 jobs which were counted towards the positive by the Obama Klan, was false, it was a smoke screen hiding the large problem.
Jobs paid for by the government cannot count as real job growth. Government jobs saved by bailouts cannot be seen as a positive. It's like tossing fairy dust on a wild fire and expecting something magical to save you!
Mike
As the economy continued to decline...which part of REALITY are you not able to comprehend?
Simply put, UNEMPLOYMENT is the RESULT of the far-reaching economic tsunami that began back in 2007. To sit here and argue who best can provide private sector jobs at this point in time is just flat-out dumb. People now having to "go on the gubmit dole" would argue that work is work. Fuck your Randian ideologies, bud.
My, my .......... maybe you should consider not thinking about things which cause you to lose total control.
I am not debating any ideologies, merely standing behind one fact, that government jobs cannot be counted as real job growth, as it is funded by tax money!
Further, the private sector provides private sector jobs, not the government. So, I see no argument in that regard. The problem is the government taking steps which forces the private sector to spend money with government requirements of one type or another, instead of being able to use their funds to create growth, which puts people to work.
Look, for me personally it doesn't matter. I am a private sector owner. If I need to spend more money because of the government in one fashion or the other, then I can protect my personal income by laying off and cutting other operating costs, as well as opening new doors which require less overhead, but, that does nothing for those I could employ if given better options, as to where to spend my money!
As to who to blame, you might wish to reread my opinions, I feel fault is with both parties. Neither party understands what is taking place on Main Street.
Either way, if you cannot converse without limiting yourself to foul and self embarrassing language, then maybe you should go and spend some more proactive time on your own personal issues, which you have exposed here, in your childish actions!
Mike
Thousands of state and local jobs were "saved" -- like educators, first reponders -- which would have been cut back without transfer of a lot of the stimulus money to the states. Try using your Google feature for a change before making ridiculous comments.
You can't be this naive?
In one Ohio city a graduating police academy class of 50 was counted as saved and given jobs due to Obama's bailouts. ............... yet what isn't told is that 3 months later the same city was forced to pass a local city tax increase to save 250 police jobs.
In other words, 50 jobs which were counted towards the positive by the Obama Klan, was false, it was a smoke screen hiding the large problem.
Jobs paid for by the government cannot count as real job growth. Government jobs saved by bailouts cannot be seen as a positive. It's like tossing fairy dust on a wild fire and expecting something magical to save you!
Mike
As the economy continued to decline...which part of REALITY are you not able to comprehend?
Simply put, UNEMPLOYMENT is the RESULT of the far-reaching economic tsunami that began back in 2007. To sit here and argue who best can provide private sector jobs at this point in time is just flat-out dumb. People now having to "go on the gubmit dole" would argue that work is work. Fuck your Randian ideologies, bud.
I am often fascinated when terms are tossed out which I am not familiar with. Even more so when they are used to describe me.
So I often try to understand them, more often than not for my own amusement, but, sometimes I actually learn a thing or two.
In this case, it was for amusement.
So I searched ......... "Randian ideologies" ........... I didn't need to search the words used before them! lol
Here is my #1 result and I can honestly say I know nothing of this person.
The cult of Ayn Rand
The cult of Ayn Rand : The New Yorker
Mike
Ayn Rand was born in St. Petersburg, Russia, on February 2, 1905. At age six she taught herself to read and two years later discovered her first fictional hero in a French magazine for children, thus capturing the heroic vision which sustained her throughout her life. At the age of nine, she decided to make fiction writing her career. Thoroughly opposed to the mysticism and collectivism of Russian culture, she thought of herself as a European writer, especially after encountering Victor Hugo, the writer she most admired.
During her high school years, she was eyewitness to both the Kerensky Revolution, which she supported, andin 1917the Bolshevik Revolution, which she denounced from the outset. In order to escape the fighting, her family went to the Crimea, where she finished high school. The final Communist victory brought the confiscation of her father's pharmacy and periods of near-starvation. When introduced to American history in her last year of high school, she immediately took America as her model of what a nation of free men could be.
The government can't create jobs.
Really? Tell it to the astronauts, who wouldn't have their jobs were it not for the multi-billion dollar government program to get to the moon in 10 years. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work in private sector jobs related to space science. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work for businesses and contractors maintaining the interstate highway system.
The government can't create jobs.
Really? Tell it to the astronauts, who wouldn't have their jobs were it not for the multi-billion dollar government program to get to the moon in 10 years. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work in private sector jobs related to space science. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work for businesses and contractors maintaining the interstate highway system.
Or the military
or the Post Office
Or those that work in Medicare
Or those that work in Medicaid
Or those that work in govenment offices
Or the DMV
or............
Really? Tell it to the astronauts, who wouldn't have their jobs were it not for the multi-billion dollar government program to get to the moon in 10 years. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work in private sector jobs related to space science. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work for businesses and contractors maintaining the interstate highway system.
Some government jobs are necessary in order for government to carry out its Constitutionally mandated fuctions. And it is normal that there should be some increase in such jobs to service a growing population.
But when essentially all job creation is via newly created federal government jobs or temp jobs to complete government contracts, there is little or no relief in the private sector.
The government generates no wealth but rather absorbs it. Every new government job or government contract issued drains funds from the private sector and/or pushes the country deeper and deeper into debt. It doesn't matter whether this is in a Republican administration or a Democrat administration, the results are the same.
The Obama administration saying that they have created or saved X number of jobs when hundreds of thousands of new unemployment claims are filed every month takes about as much insulting hutzpah as I've ever seen from any administration.
That's the same as me getting a $1.00 return on a $10.00 bet and bragging to my spouse that I won a dollar today.
They must truly think we are blooming gullible idiots.
The government can't create jobs.
Really? Tell it to the astronauts, who wouldn't have their jobs were it not for the multi-billion dollar government program to get to the moon in 10 years. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work in private sector jobs related to space science. Tell it to the tens of thousands of people who work for businesses and contractors maintaining the interstate highway system.
Or the military
or the Post Office
Or those that work in Medicare
Or those that work in Medicaid
Or those that work in govenment offices
Or the DMV
or............
