Wealth Distribution in the United States

[Jarhead]

Wrong and wrong. Go away.

Your lack of effective response only serves to illustrate the considerable lack of substance to your position.

You didn't back up anything you said.

Actually...he is correct.

Do you truly believe that only those well educated become successful?

Likewise, health insurance is not a requiremenbt to remain healthy.

My policy has a large deductible. With a family of four, we have NEVER revceived reimbursement....our bi-annuals for all four of us never exceeded the deductible.

So, in essence...our helthcare insurance was exactly THAT

INSURANCE in case of catastrophic meidcal conditions.

And thankfully...never used......just like my flood insurance and fiure insuracne.

I think people seem to believe that healthcare insurance is so they can get all medical things paid for.

It is not...Healthcare costs the average person what....a thousand a year tops? So does their Dry cleaning...their dinners out...their video games...movies.....

The insurance is for God forbid something catastrophic.

THUS WHY IT IS CALLED INSURANCE

 

[Jarhead]

You can buy a good snowblower for 600 bucks or so.

Not me. Never bought one. I like to get out early and it is rude to use something noisy early in the morning.

Had my two boys shovel for me as I did for my dad.

JUst dont understand, with 10% unemployment, why no one comes around anymore.

After the first ten thousand houses, they gave up, and logically think it is a waste of time because you can't afford to hire them. And if they did work for you and fell and broke a leg, you would be liable. You might use your head a little as well, because thet is what the other ten thousand home owners thought.

lol....are you drinking or something?

What you said is gibberish.

Or you have some chip on your shoulder of some kind.

 

[NYcarbineer]

If we eliminated Medicaid, the minimum wage, the progressivity of the income tax, food stamps, public assistance, subsidized housing, for starters -

pretty much all on the conservative agenda...

...the gap between rich and poor would skyrocket. That is why I say that the bigger the gap between rich and poor, the more it suits conservatives.

The primary function of most socialism is to decrease the gap between rich and poor; conservatives loathe socialism and want nothing to do with it;

in other words, conservatives want nothing to do with anything that functions to decrease the gap between rich and poor, therefore,

they must consider that gap either a plus, or at the very least tolerable.

 

[Jarhead]

If we eliminated Medicaid, the minimum wage, the progressivity of the income tax, food stamps, public assistance, subsidized housing, for starters -

pretty much all on the conservative agenda...

...the gap between rich and poor would skyrocket. That is why I say that the bigger the gap between rich and poor, the more it suits conservatives.

The primary function of most socialism is to decrease the gap between rich and poor; conservatives loathe socialism and want nothing to do with it;

in other words, conservatives want nothing to do with anything that functions to decrease the gap between rich and poor, therefore,

they must consider that gap either a plus, or at the very least tolerable.

I say keep Medicaid, food stamps and subsidized housing.
It is what we, as taxpayers, can do to help those in need.
It meets their needs for survival.
Anything more is overkill and not in the best interest of the country and the recipients themselves.

 

[shintao]

Wealth Distribution in the United States | Business Pundit

Financially speaking, there is a great inequality in the United States. Over the last 30 years, while the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting steadily poorer. One reason for the growing disparity between the rich and the poor is the fact that most new jobs that are created pay low wages and often do not offer retirement plans or health coverage.

The poor have not gotten poorer, the rich have not gotten richer.

How many different ways can the Liberals tell a lie.

Prove it. You can not, I read this thread, you offer zero proof, are we to argue every insult or lie the Liberals put forth.

So where exactly do we meet in the middle with a complete lie, how are we to be compromising when the Liberal's argument is a lie, how can we represent the truth and compromise with a lie.

This is further proof the Liberal Ideology must be defeated and not compromised with.

So the rich were born into wealth and never made a dime afterword, they just maintained the same amount of wealth. Interesting theory you have going there. Edited-Zero Tolerance Physical Threat.

 

[shintao]

Not me. Never bought one. I like to get out early and it is rude to use something noisy early in the morning.

Had my two boys shovel for me as I did for my dad.

JUst dont understand, with 10% unemployment, why no one comes around anymore.

After the first ten thousand houses, they gave up, and logically think it is a waste of time because you can't afford to hire them. And if they did work for you and fell and broke a leg, you would be liable. You might use your head a little as well, because thet is what the other ten thousand home owners thought.

lol....are you drinking or something?

What you said is gibberish.

Or you have some chip on your shoulder of some kind.

Edited Where do you dream up all your wild psychedelic drug related dreams? Fantasyland? What, are you blinded by stupidity or hate for Liberals? Take your own ass down the street and see how many people would hire you to shovel snow? Spend the day asking and see how many jobs you get. OK. Ask them why you are being hired. That is the only way you will learn. Right?

 

[California Girl]

Wealth Distribution in the United States | Business Pundit

Financially speaking, there is a great inequality in the United States. Over the last 30 years, while the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting steadily poorer. One reason for the growing disparity between the rich and the poor is the fact that most new jobs that are created pay low wages and often do not offer retirement plans or health coverage.

The poor have not gotten poorer, the rich have not gotten richer.

How many different ways can the Liberals tell a lie.

Prove it. You can not, I read this thread, you offer zero proof, are we to argue every insult or lie the Liberals put forth.

So where exactly do we meet in the middle with a complete lie, how are we to be compromising when the Liberal's argument is a lie, how can we represent the truth and compromise with a lie.

This is further proof the Liberal Ideology must be defeated and not compromised with.

So the rich were born into wealth and never made a dime afterword, they just maintained the same amount of wealth. Interesting theory you have going there. Edited

Edited

Wow. Just wow.

EditedThat's seriously sick. You need professional help.

 

[The T]

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Im somewher right in the middle of rich and poor... I did it all on my own too.

Imagine that

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

You don't have either health insurance or a retirement plan?

No, I think Avatat is saying that no one is going to do it for you... you have to earn these things on your own.
If you choose to do other things with your life, then dont blame me or anyone other than yourself for it.

We are guaranteed equal rights, not equal results

Amen Brother!

 

[The T]

If a company's compensation package doesnt meet your needs, dont take the job. Those low paying jobs are low paying because almost anyone can do them. If there is a large pool of unemployed labor is it logical to assume that entry level wages arent going to increase? If you want more money learn a unique skill set that is in demand.

And that in of itself requires alot of work. You want something bad enough you'll do what's required to garner what you seek. No one is going to give it to you, and no one should.

 

[bucs90]

So your point is your kids had the same toys. Thanks for answering truthfully.

wow...

Thats your response?

My kids had much of such "toys"....after the age of 15 when they were working.
But they were well behind many of the poor that had them at a much younger age.

Did you think all blacks got the goodies on the same day? That wouldn't be logical. And you being behind many poor is logical. I doubt you had any union members working to support your family.

Once again you contradict yourself.

You say it's understandable that he would be behind the poor...since he probably didn't have union members in his family working for him.

SO....does that mean union members are what is keeping poor people poor? If he's behind the poor, then they arent the "poor", he is.

If a family w/ 2 kids have a household income of 60K, they are lower middle class. But without much help. They can get by though.

If a poor family w/ 2 kids have a household income of 25K.....but get section 8 housing, welfare, food stamps, etc, etc...........their net purchasing power may be in fact more than the lower mid class family who gets no handouts.

So, in fact once again, our "poor" aren't poor.

 

[bucs90]

It snowed here on Long Island...the third storm in 4 weeks.

Schools, again, were closed.

As with many areas in the tri state area,,,,there are lower income areas within a half a mile from my house.

I have yet to see a single kid out shovelling for money....NOT ONE over 3 storms.

I have not seen a single adult either for that matter.

I would pay anyone 100 bucks to shovel a double driveway and a 60 foot sidewalk....took me about 2 hours each time...about 1 1/2 feet of now each time

Where were they?

You can buy a good snowblower for 600 bucks or so.

Then liberals would cry that he shoulda used that money to pay some poor kids to shovel his driveway. Evil, greedy rich guy who will not share his money, right

Jarhead, all you can do is try man.

 

[bucs90]

Wealth Distribution in the United States | Business Pundit

Financially speaking, there is a great inequality in the United States. Over the last 30 years, while the rich have been getting richer, the poor have been getting steadily poorer. One reason for the growing disparity between the rich and the poor is the fact that most new jobs that are created pay low wages and often do not offer retirement plans or health coverage.

The poor have not gotten poorer, the rich have not gotten richer.

How many different ways can the Liberals tell a lie.

Prove it. You can not, I read this thread, you offer zero proof, are we to argue every insult or lie the Liberals put forth.

So where exactly do we meet in the middle with a complete lie, how are we to be compromising when the Liberal's argument is a lie, how can we represent the truth and compromise with a lie.

This is further proof the Liberal Ideology must be defeated and not compromised with.

So the rich were born into wealth and never made a dime afterword, they just maintained the same amount of wealth. Interesting theory you have going there. Edited-Zero Tolerance Physical Threat.

Wow. This thread just got into creepy zone. Edited



Edited

Please get help. I'm out of this thread.

 

[bucs90]

The poor have not gotten poorer, the rich have not gotten richer.

How many different ways can the Liberals tell a lie.

Prove it. You can not, I read this thread, you offer zero proof, are we to argue every insult or lie the Liberals put forth.

So where exactly do we meet in the middle with a complete lie, how are we to be compromising when the Liberal's argument is a lie, how can we represent the truth and compromise with a lie.

This is further proof the Liberal Ideology must be defeated and not compromised with.

So the rich were born into wealth and never made a dime afterword, they just maintained the same amount of wealth.Edited.

Edited

Wow. Just wow.

I knew you were an unintelligent fool, but I didn't realize you were so consumed by hatred of other people for absolutely no reason other than their bank account. That's seriously sick. You need professional help.

Edited I'm outta this thread. This guy is a CNN story waiting to happen.

 

[Richard-H]

Ultimately, the disproportionate wealth distribution in America is the fault of working Americans:

It's no secret that America is a competitive society economically: it is based upon contention.

But since the 1980s, working Americans stopped fighting for their fair share of the wealth - they agreed to take what was given and not fight for a cent more.

For a competitive society to work, there has to be contention - everyone must fight for everything they can get - that's the only way everything balances.

Collective bargaining is just a manifestation of the free market system.

Unfortunately, Americans have accepted credit in lieu of pay - this has screwed up our economy royally. Now, instead of recieving the wealth that they have earned (Americans produce 24% of the worlds wealth), we're competing with the Chinese!

It's disgusting!

G.W. Bush once said "The American people are the hardest working people in the world".

He was right! Now if we were not only the hardest working people, but the best paid people as well, we wouldn't be in the current economic mess.

Doesn't that make sense? The hardest working people in the world should be the best paid people in the world?

Not number 12th in the standard of living...the bottom of the barrel of the industrial world.

And what is it that the Swiss do that makes them the number one in standard of living?

Make Chocolate?

 

[DiamondDave]

You mean we have to develop our own retirement plans? We have to buy our own health insurance? How scandalous! How dare these evil (insert word here) make us take responsibility for our own lives!

I mean it's not like I should be paid for my labor or for providing some benefit to the community. I should just be given everything. Much more fair that way.

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Try the bigger the amount of freedom to earn as your abilities, choices, etc dictate, the better... the lesser amount of interference of the government on that freedom in the name of liberal guilt entitlement mantra, the better...

You are supposed to work toward your needs, your wants, your dreams, your responsibilities... society nor government nor anyone else are not there to work for it in your place

 

[DiamondDave]

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Wow, they say potato, you say onomatopoeia.

What a stretch.

OK then,

let's hear you name all measures that conservatives support that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and all the measures that conservatives OPPOSE that serve to narrow the gap between rich and poor,

and let's see what reasonable conclusions we can draw from those facts.

I and many other conservatives support the freedom for you to narrow the gap as you can, choose, or try to all on your own... or fail to do so on your own... just like everyone else...

 

[bucs90]

Ultimately, the disproportionate wealth distribution in America is the fault of working Americans:

It's no secret that America is a competitive society economically: it is based upon contention.

But since the 1980s, working Americans stopped fighting for their fair share of the wealth - they agreed to take what was given and not fight for a cent more.

For a competitive society to work, there has to be contention - everyone must fight for everything they can get - that's the only way everything balances.

Collective bargaining is just a manifestation of the free market system.

Unfortunately, Americans have accepted credit in lieu of pay - this has screwed up our economy royally. Now, instead of recieving the wealth that they have earned (Americans produce 24% of the worlds wealth), we're competing with the Chinese!

It's disgusting!

G.W. Bush once said "The American people are the hardest working people in the world".

He was right! Now if we were not only the hardest working people, but the best paid people as well, we wouldn't be in the current economic mess.

Doesn't that make sense? The hardest working people in the world should be the best paid people in the world?

Not number 12th in the standard of living...the bottom of the barrel of the industrial world.

And what is it that the Swiss do that makes them the number one in standard of living?

Make Chocolate?

But we ARE the highest paid people in the world.

Our "poor" are among the richest 5% of people in the world.

Our people are the wealthiest in the world. That is not in question, it is fact.

Standard of living is a term that is the eye of the liver, for lack of a better term.

I'd prefer to live the working grind of the American mid class than that of the Swiss. I enjoy working hard. I enjoy the reward of getting through a struggle. I enjoy being in the country with the greatest military in the world, the greatest entertainment sector, the greatest athletes, the greatest of anything and everything is here. In my humble opinion. For some the standard life of the Swiss is more enviable. To me, it's not.


Edited.

 

[bucs90]

Ideas conservatives have to help the poor, and help them narrow their income gap:

If YOU (as in YOU the individual) do the following:

- Stay off drugs
- Try not to have kids out of wedlock, or even in it if you can't afford them
- Don't get arrested, especially for a felony
- Stay in school and graduate high school
- Consider going to college (Yes, you MAY have to work during college to pay for it, many have before)
- Accept an entry level job (Not NBA, not rap star, not CEO right out the gate)
- Stay at entry level job and work hard
- Accept that you may have to take a job you don't want and/or like
- Accept you just may have to STAY in that job
- Accept you just MIGHT have to make a career of that job
- Meanwhile, in your spare time, pursue and aspire to the job you really want, all while keeping that bad job to make ends meet
- Keep staying off drugs
- Keep having kids only if you can afford it
- Dont' buy a house or car you can't afford
- Don't buy expensive clothes, jewelry, cell phone, TV, boat if you can't afford it
- Delay buying those luxury items or simple wants until you are stable and satisfied where you are, OR until you do reach the dream of being among the rich if everything falls into place for you.


If you follow all of the above, you're economic outlook will improve.

OH and 1 more: Try to eat right and exercise, don't be a fat ass, and you'll likely not get sick or need much healthcare, as much of America's health issues are fatness related.



There ya go. The conservative plan for success. Enjoy!

 

[Richard-H]

Ultimately, the disproportionate wealth distribution in America is the fault of working Americans:

It's no secret that America is a competitive society economically: it is based upon contention.

But since the 1980s, working Americans stopped fighting for their fair share of the wealth - they agreed to take what was given and not fight for a cent more.

For a competitive society to work, there has to be contention - everyone must fight for everything they can get - that's the only way everything balances.

Collective bargaining is just a manifestation of the free market system.

Unfortunately, Americans have accepted credit in lieu of pay - this has screwed up our economy royally. Now, instead of recieving the wealth that they have earned (Americans produce 24% of the worlds wealth), we're competing with the Chinese!

It's disgusting!

G.W. Bush once said "The American people are the hardest working people in the world".

He was right! Now if we were not only the hardest working people, but the best paid people as well, we wouldn't be in the current economic mess.

Doesn't that make sense? The hardest working people in the world should be the best paid people in the world?

Not number 12th in the standard of living...the bottom of the barrel of the industrial world.

And what is it that the Swiss do that makes them the number one in standard of living?

Make Chocolate?

But we ARE the highest paid people in the world.

Our "poor" are among the richest 5% of people in the world.

Our people are the wealthiest in the world. That is not in question, it is fact.

Standard of living is a term that is the eye of the liver, for lack of a better term.

I'd prefer to live the working grind of the American mid class than that of the Swiss. I enjoy working hard. I enjoy the reward of getting through a struggle. I enjoy being in the country with the greatest military in the world, the greatest entertainment sector, the greatest athletes, the greatest of anything and everything is here. In my humble opinion. For some the standard life of the Swiss is more enviable. To me, it's not.


However, I caution everyone to be careful staying in this thread. A left winger literally just advocated murdering by means of bullets all conservatives. Seriously. Look up at it.

You're living in a fantasy world! No matter how far America falls behind, you're gonna be screaming that we're number one in everything!

If you measure the incomes of the poor in the U.S. strictly by dollars, but not taking into account the cost of living, you may be right, but once you take the cost of living into account, the standard of living in the U.S. sucks.

Hell, my wife grew up in the Soviet Union and she in many ways had a better standard of living then than we do in the U.S. working for major corporations.

You're free to get your rocks off working yourself to death, but I'd prefer to get paid fairly.

 

[Trajan]

In other words, to conservatives, the bigger the gap between rich and poor,

the better the system is working.

Or for those whom lack the;

ambition, drive, motivation, talent, smarts, intellect capacity, where with all, sticktoitevness, grit, sheet deterioration, perseverance

the response is always the same; anyone who supports something other than a hand out opposed to a hand up, revert to the same strawman translation.

1. So you do support the principle that an unintelligent person should be significantly poorer than an intelligent person, ALL ELSE BEING EQUAL,

and that should be clear and visible and should not in any way be economically interfered with?

2. So you support the principle that a poor person should be, on average, less healthy than a rich person, because healthcare is a cost, and the government should not in any way be involved in closing that gap?

remember the debate I attempted to have with you ala does equal opportunity mean or require equal outcome? its deja vu all over again....