We should unite with libs and take to the streets on Port issue!

[Fmr jarhead]

Good info for you to read:

Daniel Griswold, Cato's director of the Center for Trade Policy studies, comments on the Dubai port deal: "To guard our security, foreign investment in U.S. ports should be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. Just as it would be wrong to automatically approve any and every foreign investor in our port infrastructure without question, it would be equally wrong to unthinkingly reject foreign investment just because of where the investor is based. Contrary to what Sen. Graham and other critics have claimed, Dubai Ports World would not be in charge of security at the U.S. port facilities it would be managing. That responsibility remains firmly in the hands of the U.S. Coast Guard and the Customs and Border Protection Agency."

There have been many levels of cabinet confirmations for the deal to happen....there have been ongoing negotiations for some time between the 2 international firms regarding the sale of the operations.....business at this level is not done overnight, and I bet it has been "cooking" for a couple years....someone doesn't cough up 6 billion overnight to buy a company....there seems to be a very simplistic and myopic view of this business deal at the hands of the media and the President's critics....(I am vociferously against the "rubber stamp" the president has used on ALL legislation that has come across his desk....this administration has been financially irresponsible, and could use the line item veto)

 

[Deornwulf]

Tis a sad, sad day when I can hold posts from here and those from the DU side by side and not be able to tell the difference.

This reaction to the port sales is pure unadulturated bigotry that will only serve to fuel the fires of Jihad. DP is a business operation run by profit motivated capitalists, something in which I thought most of this board believed. They will do everything in their power to insure that they keep their end as secure as possible and above board with the scrutiny that will follow if they indeed secure this detail.

I am more frightened by the more likely prospect of a terrorist organization woeing the sympathies of some liberal college student interning with a shipping concern for the summer to compromise US Security than I am of any Arab group trying to wrest control of DP away from capitalist businessmen.

The devil we know is far better than the devil we don't know.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Now I don't know again. Where are you guys on this?

I have grave concerns regarding anything Jimmy Carter supports.

On the other hand, I can't see myself siding with Hillary Clinton.

That being said, I don't think this deal is going to be any real threat to our country as long as we have safeguards in place.

 

[archangel]

Tis a sad, sad day when I can hold posts from here and those from the DU side by side and not be able to tell the difference.

This reaction to the port sales is pure unadulturated bigotry that will only serve to fuel the fires of Jihad. DP is a business operation run by profit motivated capitalists, something in which I thought most of this board believed. They will do everything in their power to insure that they keep their end as secure as possible and above board with the scrutiny that will follow if they indeed secure this detail.

I am more frightened by the more likely prospect of a terrorist organization woeing the sympathies of some liberal college student interning with a shipping concern for the summer to compromise US Security than I am of any Arab group trying to wrest control of DP away from capitalist businessmen.

The devil we know is far better than the devil we don't know.

for a moment...did anyone consider where the true "Bigotry" is falling...say maybe White males and females( to include minorites) of the US persuasion? Let's be honest the problem that is surfacing is based more along the lines of continued outsourcing of jobs for US citizens! The executives of UAE for the most part graduated from US Universities in business management,engineering etc. as do our youth...Are we now saying that our students have not excelled to a degree that they are capable of running a major corporation...humm is this the double standard?So much for "Leave no child behind!"

And as far as the Jihad comment...screw em they will Jihad no matter how much we kiss their butts! :bat:

 

[Hobbit]

Ok, I've seen a lot of people who have no opposition to selling these ports. I've stayed out of this dicussion, but in I come.

Dubai Shipping is not a privately owned company, as is the company that currently owns the ports (which is based in Great Britain). Dubai Shipping is owned and operated by the government of the United Arab Emirates.

The United Arab Emirates does not recognize Israel.

The United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

The United Arab Emirates was used as a safe haven and base of operations for the 9/11 attacks.

Two of the 9/11 hijackers were from the United Arab Emirates.

The United Arab Emirates is over 95% Muslim.

Analysts predict that if a nuclear weapon enters this country, it will be aboard a container on a ship.

Few of these containers are government screened on this side of the ocean, and the government has no authority to inspect where most of the inspecting is done, on the sending end. That is left up to the port authority in charge of the port its going to.

All that being said, if these ports get sold to the UAE, I will not be surprised in the slightest if less than a year later, one of Saddam's WMDs that he never had shows up in one of our ports and kills a few million people.

 

[Fmr jarhead]

Ok, I've seen a lot of people who have no opposition to selling these ports. I've stayed out of this dicussion, but in I come.

Dubai Shipping is not a privately owned company, as is the company that currently owns the ports (which is based in Great Britain). Dubai Shipping is owned and operated by the government of the United Arab Emirates.

I've got no problem with a coalition partner owning the operations.

The United Arab Emirates does not recognize Israel.

Their consititution does not call for the termination of Israel.....hmmmm....the US does not recognize Cuba.

The United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

So did the US....remember the picture of the Taliban ministers walking around Washington DC? How about the $43 Million dollars given to the Taliban in May 2001 by the US, and the praise heaped upon them by Colin Powell and others....hindsight is 20/20. http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html

The United Arab Emirates was used as a safe haven and base of operations for the 9/11 attacks.

The US was a safe haven and base of operations, and even provided military training to terrorist Timothy McVeigh.

Two of the 9/11 hijackers were from the United Arab Emirates.

All of the bombers of the Oklahoma Federal building were terrorists from the US.

The United Arab Emirates is over 95% Muslim.

So.....McVeigh and the others involved were/are Christians....should we talk about the terrorists who assasinate doctors who perform abortions....they have all been Christians....

Analysts predict that if a nuclear weapon enters this country, it will be aboard a container on a ship.

Few of these containers are government screened on this side of the ocean, and the government has no authority to inspect where most of the inspecting is done, on the sending end. That is left up to the port authority in charge of the port its going to.

All that being said, if these ports get sold to the UAE, I will not be surprised in the slightest if less than a year later, one of Saddam's WMDs that he never had shows up in one of our ports and kills a few million people.

AS metioned so many times before, the security of the US is not what is being handed over in the sale of the port operations. Seceurity will continue to be the provenance of the US' local and federal jurisdictions

 

[dilloduck]

Ok, I've seen a lot of people who have no opposition to selling these ports. I've stayed out of this dicussion, but in I come.

Dubai Shipping is not a privately owned company, as is the company that currently owns the ports (which is based in Great Britain). Dubai Shipping is owned and operated by the government of the United Arab Emirates.

The United Arab Emirates does not recognize Israel.

The United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

The United Arab Emirates was used as a safe haven and base of operations for the 9/11 attacks.

Two of the 9/11 hijackers were from the United Arab Emirates.

The United Arab Emirates is over 95% Muslim.

Analysts predict that if a nuclear weapon enters this country, it will be aboard a container on a ship.

Few of these containers are government screened on this side of the ocean, and the government has no authority to inspect where most of the inspecting is done, on the sending end. That is left up to the port authority in charge of the port its going to.

All that being said, if these ports get sold to the UAE, I will not be surprised in the slightest if less than a year later, one of Saddam's WMDs that he never had shows up in one of our ports and kills a few million people.

Have you seen the agreement worked out with DP? If you haven't, you may wanna look at it before you panic. America buys MUSLIM OIL for god sakes. American money supports these regimes. American intelligence recuits MUSLIM interpreters. We will always be vulnerable to WMDs. ALWAYS. Do you have any proof whatesoever that this company is going to be more dangerous than what we already have. More importantly--SHOW ME A COMPANY THAT IS GUARANTEED TO BE SAFER. The real danger here is to think that an Arab owned port company is the ONLY way we can be hit by a WMD.

 

[archangel]

I've got no problem with a coalition partner owning the operations.



Their consititution does not call for the termination of Israel.....hmmmm....the US does not recognize Cuba.



So did the US....remember the picture of the Taliban ministers walking around Washington DC? How about the $43 Million dollars given to the Taliban in May 2001 by the US, and the praise heaped upon them by Colin Powell and others....hindsight is 20/20. http://www.cato.org/dailys/08-02-02.html



The US was a safe haven and base of operations, and even provided military training to terrorist Timothy McVeigh.



All of the bombers of the Oklahoma Federal building were terrorists from the US.



So.....McVeigh and the others involved were/are Christians....should we talk about the terrorists who assasinate doctors who perform abortions....they have all been Christians....



AS metioned so many times before, the security of the US is not what is being handed over in the sale of the port operations. Seceurity will continue to be the provenance of the US' local and federal jurisdictions

you are comparing a few isolated "Home Grown" terrorist over a couple of decades or more...Timmy et al to a terrorist network of quite a few million! You my friend buy into the CAIR BS...they use this argument consistently :talk2:

 

[dilloduck]

you are comparing a few isolated "Home Grown" terrorist over a couple of decades or more...Timmy et al to a terrorist network of quite a few million! You my friend buy into the CAIR BS...they use this argument consistently :talk2:

The "logic" being used to attempt to derail this deal is based on sheer paranoia and POLITICS. Are you suggesting that America should simply cease doing business with any Muslims?

 

[archangel]

The "logic" being used to attempt to derail this deal is based on sheer paranoia and POLITICS. Are you suggesting that America should simply cease doing business with any Muslims?

in this point and time...YES! Until and if they cease and desist with the Jihad and "Ottoman" take over of the world! I say hit them in the pocket book...stop financing thier Jihad! IMO

 

[dilloduck]

in this point and time...YES! Until and if they cease and desist with the Jihad and "Ottoman" take over of the world! I say hit them in the pocket book...stop financing thier Jihad! IMO

Decisions made on pure politics, emotion and paranoia are not what I want to be controlling ANYTHING.

 

[insein]

I have waited to chime in on this issue because i honestly didnt know what the deal was. So today I got a better idea of what its all about on Rush.

Most of our ports have foreign businesses running shipping just as we have toyota or suzuki plants and dealerships selling cars that arent American. These ports are guarded by the coast guard and port authorities just like any other border area. These private businesses are operating business endeavours in the US. As an example, the LA Port currently has 80% of its port business being done by foreign businesses. Most of these businesses are China based. That should alarm us more then the Arabs. Not from a security standpoint but from an economic one. Here's a list of the LA port businesses.

http://www.seaportsinfo.com/LA/alphabetical.cgi

I think we are getting alittle carried away with this. If a business wants to do business with America, i say we let them. If we start discriminating based on Ethinicity then we are no better then they. Free Market is Free market. Also the reason that the Dems are so dead set against it isnt security. ITs the unions. The unions dont want a competitor in there that might not use union labor to run their docks. Those unions pay good money to the Senators to keep union interests protected. Thus the backlash.

I think this deal will go through as planned and nothing detrimental will happen to us. Theyll still be under scrutiny from HLS and CG just like all the other port companies in this Nation.

 

[archangel]

Decisions made on pure politics, emotion and paranoia are not what I want to be controlling ANYTHING.

you my friend just summed up Wasington DC...the DNC and GOP are guilty of all of the above you do not want controlling anything! :read:

 

[Fmr jarhead]

you are comparing a few isolated "Home Grown" terrorist over a couple of decades or more...Timmy et al to a terrorist network of quite a few million! You my friend buy into the CAIR BS...they use this argument consistently :talk2:

I am just using similar logic to your arguements, since you are citing 1 large scale attack, as compared to the many smaller attacks perpetrated by home grown terrorists.....Where do your get your figure of millions, by the way...similar statements by liberals claims for anything would get a scathing attacks by the conservatives of this board as using numbers pulled from thier arse.

The apparent paranoia being displayed by those opposed to the port sale between 2 international compaies is very similar to the lefties paranoia about wiretaps....

Methinks I will sit back and be amused.....

 

[dilloduck]

you my friend just summed up Wasington DC...the DNC and GOP are guilty of all of the above you do not want controlling anything! :read:

Of course they are----Thats' no excuse to argue for more rational methods to be used. Or did you just give up and join the "sky is falling" mob?

 

[archangel]

I am just using similar logic to your arguements, since you are citing 1 large scale attack, as compared to the many smaller attacks perpetrated by home grown terrorists.....Where do your get your figure of millions, by the way...similar statements by liberals claims for anything would get a scathing attacks by the conservatives of this board as using numbers pulled from thier arse.

The apparent paranoia being displayed by those opposed to the port sale between 2 international compaies is very similar to the lefties paranoia about wiretaps....

Methinks I will sit back and be amused.....

Let's start with you listing the "many"(?) smaller home grown terrorist attacks in the last decade...then compare to two hits on the Twin Towers,the Cole the many embassies and the daily attacks in Iraq,Afghanista on and on. And it has been estimated that Radical Islam has millions of followers! They are in the number of some 1.5 billion Muslims and surely you cannot be amused with the estimated millions of radicals!

 

[dilloduck]

Let's start with you listing the "many"(?) smaller home grown terrorist attacks in the last decade...then compare to two hits on the Twin Towers,the Cole the many embassies and the daily attacks in Iraq,Afghanista on and on. And it has been estimated that Radical Islam has millions of followers! They are in the number of some 1.5 billion Muslims and surely you cannot be amused with the estimated millions of radicals!

ARCH---you do not even know what the deal entails!

 

[ScreamingEagle]

Ok, I've seen a lot of people who have no opposition to selling these ports. I've stayed out of this dicussion, but in I come.

Dubai Shipping is not a privately owned company, as is the company that currently owns the ports (which is based in Great Britain). Dubai Shipping is owned and operated by the government of the United Arab Emirates.

The United Arab Emirates does not recognize Israel.

The United Arab Emirates recognized the Taliban as the legitimate government of Afghanistan.

The United Arab Emirates was used as a safe haven and base of operations for the 9/11 attacks.

Two of the 9/11 hijackers were from the United Arab Emirates.

The United Arab Emirates is over 95% Muslim.

Analysts predict that if a nuclear weapon enters this country, it will be aboard a container on a ship.

Few of these containers are government screened on this side of the ocean, and the government has no authority to inspect where most of the inspecting is done, on the sending end. That is left up to the port authority in charge of the port its going to.

All that being said, if these ports get sold to the UAE, I will not be surprised in the slightest if less than a year later, one of Saddam's WMDs that he never had shows up in one of our ports and kills a few million people.

Why would you think President Bush is selling our country down the river to terrorists? Has he done anything remotely like that in the past?

The UAE strongly condemned the 9-11 attacks.
http://www.uae-embassy.org/relations.htm

The UAE cut ties with the Taliban:
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/asiapcf/central/09/22/ret.afghan.taliban/

There are elements in the UAE which support terrorism, just as there are elements like that here in the U.S. that support terrorism. The country itself does not support terrorism. The UAE has been a partner in anti-terror operations in the Middle East. Our warships are often in the port of Dubai.

Almost none of the Arab countries recognize Israel. That doesn't mean all of them are out to attack Israel. Are you saying that all Muslims are terrorists?

Almost ALL of our ports are operated by foreign companies and have been for decades. Here in Seattle our port is operated by Singapore. There are Muslim terrorists in the Far East too. Should we cut business ties with Singapore?

Also, not every terminal in every port being considered in the UAE deal is going to be under UAE management. I've heard only about 30%.

Realistically, what is to prevent any terrorist from shipping WMDs into ANY port of the U.S. right now? How would a holding company threaten our security operations in a port?

I think this whole flap is a good thing with regard to the issue of beefing up our port security which has been very lax up to this point. Maybe Congress will now pass a bill doing something more about it. However, instead the liberals are going to push for a bill that will let Congress (the government) control private deals. More government control of business. Socialism. Is it any wonder that Hillary is proposing putting forward a bill regarding private port operations?

 

[Hobbit]

Look, I know we can get hit with a WMD by Arab terrorists without selling our ports to a foreign government, but why make it easier? That's like saying that we can still be robbed in the middle of the night even if we don't leave all our doors and windows open with a sign up that says "Please rob me," so why bother closing the doors and not putting up the sign. Now, I don't have too much of a problem with vital areas being owned by foreign companies, even Arab companies, because companies will always look our for their best interests, which means that they won't hurt the U.S. through their holdings, as it would cause a decrease in profits and stock prices.

Selling our vital areas to a foreign government, on the other hand, I am dead set against, even if the government is a friendly one. The UAE, despite their public denouncing of the 9/11 attacks, is hostile to the U.S. in much the same was as Saudi Arabia. They basically put on a happy face while sneaking around to stab us in the back. I mean, they can say that they condemn 9/11 all they want, but when their citizens prance around calling for our blood while Al-Jazeera is the only news station sends a different message. If this deal goes down, it will bring nothing but trouble.

 

[dilloduck]

Look, I know we can get hit with a WMD by Arab terrorists without selling our ports to a foreign government, but why make it easier? That's like saying that we can still be robbed in the middle of the night even if we don't leave all our doors and windows open with a sign up that says "Please rob me," so why bother closing the doors and not putting up the sign. Now, I don't have too much of a problem with vital areas being owned by foreign companies, even Arab companies, because companies will always look our for their best interests, which means that they won't hurt the U.S. through their holdings, as it would cause a decrease in profits and stock prices.

Selling our vital areas to a foreign government, on the other hand, I am dead set against, even if the government is a friendly one. The UAE, despite their public denouncing of the 9/11 attacks, is hostile to the U.S. in much the same was as Saudi Arabia. They basically put on a happy face while sneaking around to stab us in the back. I mean, they can say that they condemn 9/11 all they want, but when their citizens prance around calling for our blood while Al-Jazeera is the only news station sends a different message. If this deal goes down, it will bring nothing but trouble.

PLEASE TELL ME
How will this transaction make the US ports more vulnerable than they are now?
What other company would be safer?