Stand Up For Denmark

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Congress, the Bush Administration and the State Dept. are a bunch of craven backstabbers. Hell of a way to reward a friend in need.

http://www.slate.com/id/2136714/

Stand up for Denmark!
Why are we not defending our ally?
By Christopher Hitchens
Posted Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2006, at 12:29 PM ET

Put the case that we knew of a highly paranoid religious cult organization with a secretive leader. Now put the case that this cult, if criticized in the press, would take immediate revenge by kidnapping a child. Put the case that, if the secretive leader were also to be lampooned, two further children would be killed at random. Would the press be guilty of "self-censorship" if it declined to publish anything that would inflame the said cult? Well, yes it would be guilty, but very few people would insist on the full exertion of the First Amendment right. However, the consequences for the cult and its leader would be severe as well. All civilized people would regard it as hateful and dangerous, and steps would be taken to circumscribe its influence, and to ensure that no precedent was set.

The incredible thing about the ongoing Kristallnacht against Denmark (and in some places, against the embassies and citizens of any Scandinavian or even European Union nation) is that it has resulted in, not opprobrium for the religion that perpetrates and excuses it, but increased respectability! A small democratic country with an open society, a system of confessional pluralism, and a free press has been subjected to a fantastic, incredible, organized campaign of lies and hatred and violence, extending to one of the gravest imaginable breaches of international law and civility: the violation of diplomatic immunity. And nobody in authority can be found to state the obvious and the necessary—that we stand with the Danes against this defamation and blackmail and sabotage. Instead, all compassion and concern is apparently to be expended upon those who lit the powder trail, and who yell and scream for joy as the embassies of democracies are put to the torch in the capital cities of miserable, fly-blown dictatorships. Let's be sure we haven't hurt the vandals' feelings.

You wish to say that it was instead a small newspaper in Copenhagen that lit the trail? What abject masochism and nonsense. It was the arrogant Danish mullahs who patiently hawked those cartoons around the world (yes, don't worry, they are allowed to exhibit them as much as they like) until they finally provoked a vicious response against the economy and society of their host country. For good measure, they included a cartoon that had never been published in Denmark or anywhere else. It showed the Prophet Mohammed as a pig, and may or may not have been sent to a Danish mullah by an anonymous ill-wisher. The hypocrisy here is shameful, nauseating, unpardonable. The original proscription against any portrayal of the prophet—not that this appears to be absolute—was superficially praiseworthy because it was intended as a safeguard against idolatry and the worship of images. But now see how this principle is negated. A rumor of a cartoon in a faraway country is enough to turn the very name Mohammed into a fetish-object and an excuse for barbaric conduct. As I write this, the death toll is well over 30 and—guess what?—a mullah in Pakistan has offered $1 million and a car as a bribe for the murder of "the cartoonist." This incitement will go unpunished and most probably unrebuked.

Could things become any more sordid and cynical? By all means. In a mindless attempt at a tu quoque, various Islamist groups and regimes have dug deep into their sense of wit and irony and proposed a trade-off. You make fun of "our" prophet and we will deny "your" Holocaust. Even if there were any equivalence, and Jewish mobs were now engaged in trashing Muslim shops and embassies, it would feel degrading even to engage with such a low and cheap stunt. I suppose that one should be grateful that the Shoah is only to be denied rather than, as in some Islamist propaganda, enthusiastically affirmed and set out as a model for emulation. But only a moral cretin thinks that anti-Semitism is a threat only to Jews. The memory of the Third Reich is very vivid in Europe precisely because a racist German regime also succeeded in slaughtering millions of non-Jews, including countless Germans, under the demented pretext of extirpating a nonexistent Jewish conspiracy. As it happens, I am one of the few people to have publicly defended David Irving's right to publish, and I think it outrageous that he is in prison in Austria for expressing his opinions. But my attachment to free speech is at least absolute and consistent. Those who incite murder and arson, or who silkily justify it, are incapable of rising above the childish glee that culminates in the assertion that two wrongs make a right.


More on the cartoon controversy




The silky ones may be more of a problem in the long term than the flagrantly vicious and crazy ones. Within a short while—this is a warning—the shady term "Islamophobia" is going to be smuggled through our customs. Anyone accused of it will be politely but firmly instructed to shut up, and to forfeit the constitutional right to criticize religion. By definition, anyone accused in this way will also be implicitly guilty. Thus the "soft" censorship will triumph, not from any merit in its argument, but from its association with the "hard" censorship that we have seen being imposed over the past weeks. A report ($$) in the New York Times of Feb. 13 was as carefully neutral as could be but nonetheless conveyed the sense of menace. "American Muslim leaders," we were told, are more canny. They have "managed to build effective organizations and achieve greater integration, acceptance and economic success than their brethren in Europe have. They portray the cartoons as a part of a wave of global Islamophobia and have encouraged Muslim groups in Europe to use the same term." In other words, they are leveraging worldwide Islamic violence to drop a discreet message into the American discourse.

You may have noticed the recurrence of the term "One point two billion Muslims." A few years ago, I became used to the charge that in defending Salman Rushdie, say, I had "offended a billion Muslims." Evidently, the number has gone up since I first heard this ridiculous complaint. But observe the implied threat. There is not just safety in numbers, but danger in numbers. How many Danes or Jews or freethinkers are there? You can see what the "spokesmen" are insinuating by this tactic of mass psychology and mobbishness.

And not without immediate success, either. The preposterous person of Karen Hughes is quoted in the same New York Times article, under her risible title of "Under Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy." She tittered outside the store she was happily giving away: "The voices of Muslim Americans have more credibility in the Muslim world frankly than my voice as a government official, because they can speak the language of their faith and can share their experience of practicing their faith freely in the West, and they can help explain why the cartoons are so offensive." Well, let's concede that almost any voice in any world has more credibility on any subject than this braying Bush-crony ignoramus, but is the State Department now saying that we shall be represented in the Muslim world only by Muslims? I think we need a debate on that, and also a vote. Meanwhile, not a dollar of Wahhabi money should be allowed to be spent on opening madrasahs in this country, or in distributing fundamentalist revisions of the Quran in our prison system. Not until, at the very least, churches and synagogues and free-thought libraries are permitted in every country whose ambassador has bullied the Danes. If we have to accept this sickly babble about "respect," we must at least demand that it is fully reciprocal.

And there remains the question of Denmark: a small democracy, which resisted Hitler bravely and protected its Jews as well as itself. Denmark is a fellow member of NATO and a country that sends its soldiers to help in the defense and reconstruction of Iraq and Afghanistan. And what is its reward from Washington? Not a word of solidarity, but instead some creepy words of apology to those who have attacked its freedom, its trade, its citizens, and its embassies. For shame. Surely here is a case that can be taken up by those who worry that America is too casual and arrogant with its allies. I feel terrible that I have taken so long to get around to this, but I wonder if anyone might feel like joining me in gathering outside the Danish Embassy in Washington, in a quiet and composed manner, to affirm some elementary friendship. Those who like the idea might contact me at [email protected], and those who live in other cities with Danish consulates might wish to initiate a stand for decency on their own account.
 
ah, ha....the double edged sword, at its best......

How is this scenario?

The Great Satan comes to the rescue of those freedom loving Danes, only to further incite the radical Islamists....and then what?

I work for a Danish company and have many friends there.....it is only those who have a political beef who are calling for Pres Bush to publically announce his support for Denmark and the idiots who scribbled out those assinine cartoons.....

....or we announce our support for an Arab owned company to buyout a London comapny to run some business operation in the US to show that we can seperate our hate for Islamic extremeists, and be smart enough to know that befriending moderate Muslims will be in our best interest on a path toward peace in the region?

It appears to me that the media are doing a great job of getting out the message of those who want to pull apart the conservative and libertarian agenda.....
 
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2087469,00.html


Times Online March 15, 2006

Danish paper faces no charges over Muhammad cartoons
By Times Online and agencies

Denmark’s chief prosecutor says that he will not press charges against the newspaper that first published the Prophet Muhammad cartoons that angered Muslims worldwide.

The Foreign Ministry warned that the decision could cause "negative reactions" against Danes, and warned citizens to be cautious when traveling in Muslim countries.

Henning Fode, the Director of Public Prosecutions, upheld the decision of a regional prosecutor who ruled that the drawings published in Jyllands-Posten on September 30 did not violate Danish law. Mr Fode’s decision cannot be appealed.

His ruling said that the 12 cartoons, one of which shows the Prophet wearing a turban shaped like a bomb, did not violate bans on racist and blasphemous speech.

"My decision is that there is no violation of the said rules of the Danish Criminal Code," Mr Fode said in a statement.

A regional prosecutor said in January that the drawings were protected by Denmark’s freedom of speech and did not violate rules on racism or blasphemy.
A group of Danish Muslims said at the time they would appeal the ruling to the top prosecutor.

Meanwhile five men were arrested in Britain today over their alleged role in protests outside the Danish Embassy in London last month against the cartoons. Four of the five were held on suspicion of incitement to murder and all five are suspected of "using threatening words or written material to stir up racial hatred".
This would not have happend without the outcry of the British public, witnessing the signs on television. The police had abdicated their duty, actually arresting those that confronted the hate mongers!

During the demonstrations on February 3 and 4, protesters held placards threatening a repeat of the September 11 or July 7 terror attacks. Among the slogans were "Massacre those who insult Islam" and "Europe you will pay, your 9/11 will come".

The demonstration attracted widespread political condemnation. Among those calling for prosecutions was the Muslim Council of Britain.

The Metropolitan Police said today: "A number of specialist evidence-gathering officers were deployed, who collected video, audio and stills of those within the crowd. A dedicated investigation team, Operation Laverda, was set up that day.

"After carefully reviewing all of the evidence and witness complaints a file was passed to the Crown Prosecution. Their advice was returned to us on March 7."

Four of the men arrested today were held in London and one in the West Midlands. The four men in London have been taken to a Central London police station while the fifth is being questioned at a police station in the West Midlands.
 
The Danish don`t need, or want our help. Even if we did come to their aid, in whatever way, the media would misinterpret it, and the flaming would begin anew. I am however, NOT advocating we shrink from expressing our foreign policy when WE feel the need, and it fits our best interest.

The memory of the Third Reich is very vivid in Europe precisely because a racist German regime also succeeded in slaughtering millions of non-Jews, including countless Germans, under the demented pretext of extirpating a nonexistent Jewish conspiracy.

This is bull pucky, I truly don`t think Europe HAS a memory, or if it does, it`s damn short. Otherwise, we wouldn`t be doing what were doing, and not getting any help from Europe only screwed up faces, and naysayers.

This particular article should be directed at EUROPE.
 
trobinett said:
The Danish don`t need, or want our help. Even if we did come to their aid, in whatever way, the media would misinterpret it, and the flaming would begin anew. I am however, NOT advocating we shrink from expressing our foreign policy when WE feel the need, and it fits our best interest.



This is bull pucky, I truly don`t think Europe HAS a memory, or if it does, it`s damn short. Otherwise, we wouldn`t be doing what were doing, and not getting any help from Europe only screwed up faces, and naysayers.

This particular article should be directed at EUROPE.


Because of that part pacifists dont want to slaughter all the Muslims next or slaughter anyone. Not even the enemy that would try to kill em. Lets talk about it is their approach. Hopefully the muslim scum will help with the awakening of at least Germanies nationalism for good or bad.
 
trobinett said:
The Danish don`t need, or want our help. Even if we did come to their aid, in whatever way, the media would misinterpret it, and the flaming would begin anew. I am however, NOT advocating we shrink from expressing our foreign policy when WE feel the need, and it fits our best interest.



This is bull pucky, I truly don`t think Europe HAS a memory, or if it does, it`s damn short. Otherwise, we wouldn`t be doing what were doing, and not getting any help from Europe only screwed up faces, and naysayers.

This particular article should be directed at EUROPE.
If you are referring to the article I posted, it was from the UK.
 
As Steve Sailer says, "The Muslims and the Danes disagree about fundamentals. That shouldn't be a problem. That's what separate countries are for."
 
Kathianne said:
If you are referring to the article I posted, it was from the UK.

Yes I was Kathianne, I may not be politically correct in my feelings, but I don`t include the English in with the European`s.

The English may be a little late to the party, but they generally show up, and are ready to "rock, and roll" once there. :firing:
 
trobinett said:
Yes I was Kathianne, I may not be politically correct in my feelings, but I don`t include the English in with the European`s.

The English may be a little late to the party, but they generally show up, and are ready to "rock, and roll" once there. :firing:


you dont know the English.
 
trobinett said:
Yes I was Kathianne, I may not be politically correct in my feelings, but I don`t include the English in with the European`s.

The English may be a little late to the party, but they generally show up, and are ready to "rock, and roll" once there. :firing:
Europe is definately included in Europe, though they have more sense that the rest of the Western members. ;)
 

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