We should stop calling them "Liberals!"

[francoHFW]

Prisoners of bs ideology...guess what, read up on the history of the US and why reform was always necessary. So ignorant...

 

[francoHFW]

We can call liberals crabby bossy pants. They will take away all their toys and hold their breath until they pass out. And then we sigh and let them get their way. And, as adults, is that how we want the world to operate? Mommy and daddy won't always cover your asses, and we don't like pandering to entitled kids with their golden halo. Geez, grow up.

And that's called progress. Beyond that, I don't know wtf you're talking about, dupe of the greedy idiot Rich GOP...

Hillary controls the platform and uncle bernie was shoved aside. She had that golden halo. Makes me cynical, what a surprise, I could have predicted this months ago. Trump has the golden halo, he sure as hell didn't earn his situation to political experience. Trump's political "halo" is shining brighter than Hillary's

She never attacked him, nor did the GOP. The GOP would have drowned him in bs and lies.

 

[Boss]

The government outlawed slavery. The market would keep it going.

No, the PEOPLE outlawed slavery by ratifying 3 Constitutional amendments. The Government instituted and upheld slavery for 87 years. But slavery could have been ended by free market capitalism at any time. As I demonstrated before... I grow cotton and use slaves, you buy cotton but don't like that I use slaves... you stop buying my cotton... what will I do? I'll stop using slaves. The reason that didn't work is not because the people needed government to do it for them... it was because the people liked cheap cotton more than they disliked slavery.

We see the same thing happening today with products from China. American consumers like cheap Chinese goods more than they dislike slavery in China. Personally, I refuse to purchase anything made in China and if every American consumer would do that, China would change it's policies.

 

[Boss]

Free market capitalism has been and always will be a disaster in the end...

And you're an abject idiot. Free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever designed by man. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any system. It has given us more technology and advancement than any system. In fact, there isn't even a system that comes in a close second.

The system YOU advocate is responsible for more than 100 million deaths in the past 100 years. Horrible atrocities... unspeakable genocide... crippling poverty and economic catastrophe... over and over and over again. History is riddled with examples of it. Yet, about every 20 years, the aristocrats in Europe trot out yet another incarnation and stupid little morons like you slobber all over them as if they are offering something new.

 

[regent]

The GOP has blocked an infrastructure bank/jobs bill, training for tech jobs ideas, a living wage, cheaper college loans, free community college and everything else for 7 years. Change the channel. STHU, dupe. Memorize my sig and learn something true, not bs/hate propaganda...

NONE of which is racist in any way, shape or form. The notion that the party of slavery, segregation and racism is somehow the EXCLUSIVE source of ideas for helping minorities is asinine. Your programs demonstrably hold minorities back and keep them down. Republicans want to lift them up by getting government out of the way and empowering them to reach their true potential.

It's YOUR channel that needs to change because you seem to be stuck in 1948.

 

[Boss]

Prisoners of bs ideology...guess what, read up on the history of the US and why reform was always necessary. So ignorant...

I don't need to read up on history, I am an expert on the subject. You've been indoctrinated by propaganda from Marxists and Communists. You have a warped and distorted revisionist view of history as told to you by your propaganda masters. The thing you don't understand is how they snicker at you behind closed doors... they have a term for you... "Useful Idiot!"

 

[francoHFW]

Free market capitalism has been and always will be a disaster in the end...

And you're an abject idiot. Free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever designed by man. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any system. It has given us more technology and advancement than any system. In fact, there isn't even a system that comes in a close second.

The system YOU advocate is responsible for more than 100 million deaths in the past 100 years. Horrible atrocities... unspeakable genocide... crippling poverty and economic catastrophe... over and over and over again. History is riddled with examples of it. Yet, about every 20 years, the aristocrats in Europe trot out yet another incarnation and stupid little morons like you slobber all over them as if they are offering something new.

Yup, then we had to fight for workers rights, environmental regs or we'd still be working in a toxic dump 16 hour days 6 days a week like in the 1890's, ignorant chump of the greedy megarich GOP. You appear to have no idea what I advocate, brainwashed functional moron.

 

[regent]

Prisoners of bs ideology...guess what, read up on the history of the US and why reform was always necessary. So ignorant...

I don't need to read up on history, I am an expert on the subject. You've been indoctrinated by propaganda from Marxists and Communists. You have a warped and distorted revisionist view of history as told to you by your propaganda masters. The thing you don't understand is how they snicker at you behind closed doors... they have a term for you... "Useful Idiot!"

Finally an history expert. So my first question is why did Jefferson change Locke's property to pursuit of happiness?

 

[Boss]

Yup, then we had to fight for workers rights, environmental regs or we'd still be working in a toxic dump 16 hour days 6 days a week like in the 1890's, ignorant chump of the greedy megarich GOP. You appear to have no idea what I advocate, brainwashed functional moron.

Again, these are improvements made by people through their representatives, not the government. You see, in a FREE society such as ours, we can make those kinds of changes. In the type of system YOU want, it is left to the ruling class and they couldn't give a shit.

 

[Boss]

Prisoners of bs ideology...guess what, read up on the history of the US and why reform was always necessary. So ignorant...

I don't need to read up on history, I am an expert on the subject. You've been indoctrinated by propaganda from Marxists and Communists. You have a warped and distorted revisionist view of history as told to you by your propaganda masters. The thing you don't understand is how they snicker at you behind closed doors... they have a term for you... "Useful Idiot!"

Finally an history expert. So my first question is why did Jefferson change Locke's property to pursuit of happiness?

Brainy question indeed. I personally believe that Jefferson was combining two comparable essays of Locke, one in which his popular phrase "life, liberty and property" came from and another in which he laments the "pursuit of happiness" as being the ultimate foundation of liberty. Some have also argued that, since slaves were considered property at that time, Jefferson was hesitant to render the institution of slavery so clearly a constitutional precept. Although he did own slaves, he realized the consciousness of America would one day have a great debate on the issue and he didn't want to solidify slave ownership as a fundamental constitutional right. This view is supported by people such as Frederick Douglass who thought the intentional wording of Jefferson was brilliant in that regard.

But of course, no one really knows for certain, this is simply an opinion. Great question though.

 

[francoHFW]

Yup, then we had to fight for workers rights, environmental regs or we'd still be working in a toxic dump 16 hour days 6 days a week like in the 1890's, ignorant chump of the greedy megarich GOP. You appear to have no idea what I advocate, brainwashed functional moron.

Again, these are improvements made by people through their representatives, not the government. You see, in a FREE society such as ours, we can make those kinds of changes. In the type of system YOU want, it is left to the ruling class and they couldn't give a shit.

STFU, stupid. Our representatives are the government, jackass. Your free market without our reps' regulations is what gives the system over to the ruling class/greedy rich. The GOP, a-hole. WTF is wrong with you? I have a masters in history and fluent in 3 languages, and am no oligarchist as you are in practice. Where did you get your malarky? Is it Levin etc or some dumbass southern militia?

 

[francoHFW]

You do realize we've developed since 1800, right?

 

[francoHFW]

Free market capitalism has been and always will be a disaster in the end...

And you're an abject idiot. Free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever designed by man. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any system. It has given us more technology and advancement than any system. In fact, there isn't even a system that comes in a close second.

The system YOU advocate is responsible for more than 100 million deaths in the past 100 years. Horrible atrocities... unspeakable genocide... crippling poverty and economic catastrophe... over and over and over again. History is riddled with examples of it. Yet, about every 20 years, the aristocrats in Europe trot out yet another incarnation and stupid little morons like you slobber all over them as if they are offering something new.

I advocate the US system with less domination from the greedy idiot GOP and its ignorant dupes. I voted for Bernie in NY and no support Hillary. You don't support Trump. Who the hell do you support? I've never seen anyone more FOS in 9 years of message boards. Where do get this crap? LOL

 

[Boss]

Yup, then we had to fight for workers rights, environmental regs or we'd still be working in a toxic dump 16 hour days 6 days a week like in the 1890's, ignorant chump of the greedy megarich GOP. You appear to have no idea what I advocate, brainwashed functional moron.

Again, these are improvements made by people through their representatives, not the government. You see, in a FREE society such as ours, we can make those kinds of changes. In the type of system YOU want, it is left to the ruling class and they couldn't give a shit.

STFU, stupid. Our representatives are the government, jackass. Your free market without our reps' regulations is what gives the system over to the ruling class/greedy rich. The GOP, a-hole. WTF is wrong with you? I have a masters in history and fluent in 3 languages, and am no oligarchist as you are in practice. Where did you get your malarky? Is it Levin etc or some dumbass southern militia?

But we don't have free markets without constitutional representative government and we never have. We have a complete system... Free markets, free enterprise, capitalism, constitutional representative republican government. That is a system you and the Marxists don't like. You want the government in charge and the ruling class to make our decisions. When government agencies are turned on free market capitalists, you cheer... When liberal courts overrule the will of the people, you applaud. You take every opportunity to bash and trash free market capitalism... you're doing it in this thread like you do in every thread.

I don't believe you have a masters in history or that you're fluent in any language. I think you are the typical liberal Marxist blowhard. If anything you've articulated here is an example of your education, you should ask for a refund. All I am seeing are regurgitated Marxist talking points and revisionist history.

 

[JoeB131]

But you've been giving them this "hand up" for decades and they are still down. That should signal to them that your plan isn't working for them. What did the GOP successfully block? Civil Rights? Voting Rights? Affirmative Action? Anti-discrimination laws? Entitlements? Almost to a fault, these things could have never been passed by Congress without huge Republican support. Historically, it has been the Democrats who have tried to block these things, not Republicans. You just turn around after the fact and BLAME Republicans.

Uh, guy, it's hard to give someone a hand up when the One Percenters are kicking everyone down. The problem is that they convince dumb crackers like you the reason your middle class lifestyle is disappearing is because of those poor people, not the rich cheating you at every opportunity.

Q: Why is it that we never hear the story from the Progressives of Madame C. J. Walker?
A: It's because she doesn't fit the Progressive narrative.

Because it isn't important to anything. I'm sorry you just don't get this. Can a bright person do well in the worst of systems? Yes. Still doesn't mean the system is bad. It's like saying deafness isn't a bad thing because Beethoven still composed the Ninth Symphony.

 

[JoeB131]

Prisoners of bs ideology...guess what, read up on the history of the US and why reform was always necessary. So ignorant...

No, no, guys like Boss need to believe that America is the bestest most wunnerful country in the whole wide world. Because he read that in a fifth grade civics book once that also told him how heroic the Confederacy was.

 

[JoeB131]

But we don't have free markets without constitutional representative government and we never have. We have a complete system... Free markets, free enterprise, capitalism, constitutional representative republican government. That is a system you and the Marxists don't like. You want the government in charge and the ruling class to make our decisions. When government agencies are turned on free market capitalists, you cheer... When liberal courts overrule the will of the people, you applaud. You take every opportunity to bash and trash free market capitalism... you're doing it in this thread like you do in every thread.

Again, for most people, the "Free Market" is a shit sandwich.

You really think that the worst people doing the worst things for the worst reason is going to produce a good result. This is your delusion. It's why you live next to a toxic waste dump. Because some rich people made a shitload of money producing toxins and dumped them in the shittiest part of the country next to poor people. "Free Markets, Bitches!!!"

I don't believe you have a masters in history or that you're fluent in any language. I think you are the typical liberal Marxist blowhard. If anything you've articulated here is an example of your education, you should ask for a refund. All I am seeing are regurgitated Marxist talking points and revisionist history.

Franco is far more articulate than you are. He also has a much better grip on his emotional state.

 

[yiostheoy]

Liberalism is defined as a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality. The 17th century philosopher John Locke is often credited with founding liberalism as a distinct philosophical tradition. Locke argued that each man has a natural right to life, liberty and property and according to the social contract, governments must not violate these rights.

For all practical purposes, what was once thought of as "liberalism" is now known as "libertarianism." So what happened to "liberalism?" Well, it was hijacked in the mid 20th century by progressives. Progressivism is a general political philosophy advocating or favoring gradual social, political, and economic reform through government action. So we see the major difference is the use of the government, liberalism and progressivism are distinctly different concepts. From here, the progressives have been usurped by the socialists and communists, who advocate for a Marxist-style system to replace capitalism. These people currently claim the "Liberal" banner, but they are not even remotely related.

The battle for American independence, was very much a "liberal" cause. We sought our independence from totalitarian rule by kings, in the name of individual liberty. We established a government system that did not interfere with personal freedom, and confined itself, through the constitution, to a limited role. However, through the Progressive movement to the modern day Socialists, we now see "liberals" adopting a 2,700 page health care bill which uses the word "shall" over 3,000 times. These people are not about personal liberty at all. They are all about control. From the type of light bulbs you can use, the kind of car you can drive, and how much of your income you will be allowed to keep.

We continue to see and hear the very same arguments presented by the Socialist movement in Europe, through most of the 20th century, repackaged and presented as if it's some new revolutionary idea. The 1% vs. 99% meme, is almost verbatim, the argument made by Mao Zedong, which sparked the People's Revolution in China. What had happened in China, was a result of a dynasty which controlled all power, unfairly and unequally favoring the elite members close to the ruler. These people were exploiting the resources and labor of the masses, and profiting from the capitalism at the expense of the people.

Mao proposed, just as the Occupy Wall Streeters have, that something must be done to mitigate the out of control capitalism, which was not benefiting the masses. Of course, after Mao was brought to power through revolution, the "grand plan" called for systemic elimination of all capitalism, to the extent of literally executing those who practiced it. Once all of the capitalists were dead, and the government had confiscated their wealth, the idea was, the wealth would be equally distributed to the people and everyone would be better off. But that didn't happen. The socialist "dream" never does happen, because those who are to do the redistributing become very corrupt, and take the money for themselves.

The disaster in China began to unfold after the capitalists were gone, and the elite controlled the wealth, but didn't know what to do with it, other than spend it. As the masses continued to suffer and starve to death, they became rebellious, and eventually, the Mao regime began to execute political dissidents. It is estimated that over 70 million people died as a result of Mao's reign of power. In the end, the masses were not better off, they were considerably worse off. It wasn't until after Mao's death, the government was able to 'moderate' back to a somewhat capitalist style system, and in a matter of the past 40 years, have emerged as a global economic superpower. The point, and lesson, was that destroying capitalism didn't solve the problems, it made matters worse.

It is through our unique combination of limited government intervention, personal freedom, and free market, free enterprise capitalism, that we have been able to enjoy unprecedented success as a nation. This was very much a "liberal" idea, but what we see today from the left in America is completely foreign to that concept. Indeed, we should stop calling these people "liberals" and start calling them what they are, Communists, Socialists, Marxists and Maoists.

The new name for the Democrats should be Democratic Socialists. Just like Bernie wanted.

And the new name for the Republicans should be Republican Nazi's. Just like Nixon wanted. Trump is a lot like Nixon.

 

[yiostheoy]

Yup, then we had to fight for workers rights, environmental regs or we'd still be working in a toxic dump 16 hour days 6 days a week like in the 1890's, ignorant chump of the greedy megarich GOP. You appear to have no idea what I advocate, brainwashed functional moron.

Again, these are improvements made by people through their representatives, not the government. You see, in a FREE society such as ours, we can make those kinds of changes. In the type of system YOU want, it is left to the ruling class and they couldn't give a shit.

STFU, stupid. Our representatives are the government, jackass. Your free market without our reps' regulations is what gives the system over to the ruling class/greedy rich. The GOP, a-hole. WTF is wrong with you? I have a masters in history and fluent in 3 languages, and am no oligarchist as you are in practice. Where did you get your malarky? Is it Levin etc or some dumbass southern militia?

But we don't have free markets without constitutional representative government and we never have. We have a complete system... Free markets, free enterprise, capitalism, constitutional representative republican government. That is a system you and the Marxists don't like. You want the government in charge and the ruling class to make our decisions. When government agencies are turned on free market capitalists, you cheer... When liberal courts overrule the will of the people, you applaud. You take every opportunity to bash and trash free market capitalism... you're doing it in this thread like you do in every thread.

I don't believe you have a masters in history or that you're fluent in any language. I think you are the typical liberal Marxist blowhard. If anything you've articulated here is an example of your education, you should ask for a refund. All I am seeing are regurgitated Marxist talking points and revisionist history.

Free markets are now highly regulated because of abuse by rich Republicans.

 

[yiostheoy]

Free market capitalism has been and always will be a disaster in the end...

And you're an abject idiot. Free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever designed by man. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any system. It has given us more technology and advancement than any system. In fact, there isn't even a system that comes in a close second.

The system YOU advocate is responsible for more than 100 million deaths in the past 100 years. Horrible atrocities... unspeakable genocide... crippling poverty and economic catastrophe... over and over and over again. History is riddled with examples of it. Yet, about every 20 years, the aristocrats in Europe trot out yet another incarnation and stupid little morons like you slobber all over them as if they are offering something new.

I advocate the US system with less domination from the greedy idiot GOP and its ignorant dupes. I voted for Bernie in NY and no support Hillary. You don't support Trump. Who the hell do you support? I've never seen anyone more FOS in 9 years of message boards. Where do get this crap? LOL

If you vote for Trump then you also better build a bomb shelter in your back yard.