We should stop calling them "Liberals!"

[Mac1958]

Prisoners of bs ideology...

Amen.

Plenty of those on both ends of the spectrum.

That's what you meant, right?
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[Boss]

This is your delusion. It's why you live next to a toxic waste dump. Because some rich people made a shitload of money producing toxins and dumped them in the shittiest part of the country next to poor people. "Free Markets, Bitches!!!"

Well... no, not really. We have toxic waste dumps out of necessity because we don't want to pollute our environment. The largest source of toxic waste is medical waste. Do you think we should stop treating medical patients and close the hospitals? What are they supposed to do with their toxic waste? Other sources come from manufacturing things like computers and electronic circuitry. You want to give up computers and electronics? How about steel making or the automotive industry? You want to give those up too? Because... IF we're going to have those things and IF we are going to also have an EPA to keep us safe from toxins... then we MUST have toxic waste dumps. Unfortunately, there is no Toxic Waste Fairy.

Now... Toxic waste dumps are highly regulated by the EPA. Strict guidelines are enforced and facilities are monitored closely to ensure compliance. There is no risk to public health anywhere near a toxic waste facility. There is very little health risk to employees who work at toxic waste facilities when procedures are followed correctly. It is precisely BECAUSE we are a free market capitalist system brimming with ingenuity and technology, that we are capable of efficiently handling our toxic byproducts... unlike places like China and North Korea.

 

[JoeB131]

Well... no, not really. We have toxic waste dumps out of necessity because we don't want to pollute our environment. The largest source of toxic waste is medical waste. Do you think we should stop treating medical patients and close the hospitals? What are they supposed to do with their toxic waste? Other sources come from manufacturing things like computers and electronic circuitry. You want to give up computers and electronics? How about steel making or the automotive industry? You want to give those up too? Because... IF we're going to have those things and IF we are going to also have an EPA to keep us safe from toxins... then we MUST have toxic waste dumps. Unfortunately, there is no Toxic Waste Fairy.

Guy, you miss my point. I'm all for dumping Toxic Waste in the South. You people fucking deserve it.

Of course, we COULD AND SHOULD properly dispose of that waste through recycling, but dumping it next to Cleetus and Billy-bob and all the other inbred, bible-thumping rednecks who fly Confederate Flags... that works, too.

Now... Toxic waste dumps are highly regulated by the EPA. Strict guidelines are enforced and facilities are monitored closely to ensure compliance. There is no risk to public health anywhere near a toxic waste facility. There is very little health risk to employees who work at toxic waste facilities when procedures are followed correctly. It is precisely BECAUSE we are a free market capitalist system brimming with ingenuity and technology, that we are capable of efficiently handling our toxic byproducts... unlike places like China and North Korea.

Guy, you just contradicted yourself. You admitted that Toxic waste is relatively safe because of strict government regulations, and then praised the free market- you know, the guys trying to get rid of government regulation- for it.

Man, you inbreds are stupid.

 

[Conservative65]

Well... no, not really. We have toxic waste dumps out of necessity because we don't want to pollute our environment. The largest source of toxic waste is medical waste. Do you think we should stop treating medical patients and close the hospitals? What are they supposed to do with their toxic waste? Other sources come from manufacturing things like computers and electronic circuitry. You want to give up computers and electronics? How about steel making or the automotive industry? You want to give those up too? Because... IF we're going to have those things and IF we are going to also have an EPA to keep us safe from toxins... then we MUST have toxic waste dumps. Unfortunately, there is no Toxic Waste Fairy.

Guy, you miss my point. I'm all for dumping Toxic Waste in the South. You people fucking deserve it.

Of course, we COULD AND SHOULD properly dispose of that waste through recycling, but dumping it next to Cleetus and Billy-bob and all the other inbred, bible-thumping rednecks who fly Confederate Flags... that works, too.

Now... Toxic waste dumps are highly regulated by the EPA. Strict guidelines are enforced and facilities are monitored closely to ensure compliance. There is no risk to public health anywhere near a toxic waste facility. There is very little health risk to employees who work at toxic waste facilities when procedures are followed correctly. It is precisely BECAUSE we are a free market capitalist system brimming with ingenuity and technology, that we are capable of efficiently handling our toxic byproducts... unlike places like China and North Korea.

Guy, you just contradicted yourself. You admitted that Toxic waste is relatively safe because of strict government regulations, and then praised the free market- you know, the guys trying to get rid of government regulation- for it.

Man, you inbreds are stupid.

You sure say a lot about what should be done yet we both know you don't have the guts to do it yourself. That's what happens when cowards are bred from a long line of cowards.

 

[Boss]

Free markets are now highly regulated because of abuse by rich Republicans.

Well no... Free markets are highly regulated by out-of-control government elites from both parties. The biggest drag on our economy at present time is massive over-regulation from executive orders issued by Obama and enforced by various government agencies acting as his personal gestapo on capitalism.

Throughout history, it has proven that free market capitalism works when it is allowed to function under the laws of supply and demand as it was intended. Government regulation is an intentional interference in that process. There are certain instances where this may be needed in order to protect the health, safety and environment of Americans, but it has gotten WAY out of control.

 

[Boss]

Just so I can embarrass you further, Joey...
Here are the EPA maps of Hazardous Waste facilities in my state versus your state:

As even a moron like you can see, the concentration of toxic waste surrounding you is much greater than the toxic waste surrounding me... maybe that explains your profound retardation?

 

[Pete7469]

YOU'RE the biggest toxic waste dump... you just keep on churning it out... we can't stop it!

You can stop it.

Put that stupid, servile, mindless ass spelunker on ignore.

 

[Boss]

Guy, you miss my point. I'm all for dumping Toxic Waste in the South. You people fucking deserve it.

Of course, we COULD AND SHOULD properly dispose of that waste through recycling, but dumping it next to Cleetus and Billy-bob...

Again, you are flat wrong... as usual.

As my posted maps show, your state has plenty of toxic waste facilities, as do most states. What the hell do you mean "recycle" it? You can't recycle cadmium and arsenic or asbestos, heavy metals, mercury and radioactive material. You can't recycle syringes and colostomy bags. That's why we have facilities where they can be properly disposed. Sometimes, certain things can be incinerated, other times it just has to be buried.

Guy, you just contradicted yourself. You admitted that Toxic waste is relatively safe because of strict government regulations, and then praised the free market- you know, the guys trying to get rid of government regulation- for it.

Sorry, I am failing to see the post where I claimed we shouldn't have certain reasonable regulations to protect the environment or that this negates free market capitalism. So, I haven't contradicted myself... you're just lying again, like you typically do as I kick that pansy ass around. Maybe one day you'll learn not to fuck with me? I doubt it, you almost seem to enjoy the beatings.

 

[Pete7469]

There is nothing liberal about you in any way

But there is something stupid about Swallow...

 

[JoeB131]

Just so I can embarrass you further, Joey...
Here are the EPA maps of Hazardous Waste facilities in my state versus your state:

But your state has the biggest one in the country, that's the point.

8 Alabama drinking water systems have chemicals linked to cancer above safe levels, EPA says

Emelle, Alabama: Home Of The Nation?s Largest Hazardous Waste Landfill

In 1978, Chemical Waste Management, a subsidiary of Waste Management Inc., purchased a landfill permit for a 300-acre tract of land near the village of Emelle in the center of Sumter County, Alabama.� In Sumter County, one of the country�s most impoverished regions, one-third of the residents live below the poverty level. Over 65 percent of the residents are Black and over 90 percent of the residents near the landfill in Emelle are Black.� Since acquiring the landfill, Waste Management Inc. has dumped millions of tons of hazardous waste on what was once lush farmland, creating the largest hazardous waste landfill in the United States, and possibly the world.� Nearly 40 percent of the toxic waste disposed of nationwide between 1984 and 1987 under the federal Superfund removal program ended up at the landfill.� The 2,700-acre landfill also sits directly over the Eutaw Aquifer, which supplies water to a large part of Alabama

 

[JoeB131]

Again, you are flat wrong... as usual.

As my posted maps show, your state has plenty of toxic waste facilities, as do most states. What the hell do you mean "recycle" it? You can't recycle cadmium and arsenic or asbestos, heavy metals, mercury and radioactive material. You can't recycle syringes and colostomy bags. That's why we have facilities where they can be properly disposed. Sometimes, certain things can be incinerated, other times it just has to be buried.

Hey, guy, as I said, sending it to be with you inbred rednecks is the market in action, baby. Of course, here we insist that they are properly processed, recycled or contained, but you bubbas just put it in the drinking water, you dumb fucks.

Sorry, I am failing to see the post where I claimed we shouldn't have certain reasonable regulations to protect the environment or that this negates free market capitalism. So, I haven't contradicted myself... you're just lying again, like you typically do as I kick that pansy ass around. Maybe one day you'll learn not to fuck with me? I doubt it, you almost seem to enjoy the beatings.

Naw, man, the fact is you are the one who claims the govenrment is the enemy of the free market.

I see them as the people who PROTECT us from the "Free Market". Which is why the water in my state is safe to drink and the air is safe to breathe and the food is safe to eat. Not because of market fairies, but because the government told the rich that's how it's going to be.

 

[Boss]

Because it isn't important to anything. I'm sorry you just don't get this. Can a bright person do well in the worst of systems? Yes. Still doesn't mean the system is bad. It's like saying deafness isn't a bad thing because Beethoven still composed the Ninth Symphony.

But you've failed to prove the system is bad and stories like that of Madame C.J. Walker totally dispel your myths and expose your lies. Again... Free market capitalism. free enterprise, combined with constitutional representative republican government has produced more millionaires and billionaires, brought more people out of poverty and inspired more technological innovation and creation than ANY SYSTEM EVER DEVISED BY MAN!

You can't refute that point because it's TRUTH.

You can't even offer an alternate example to draw any comparison to. There's simply not one. The centralized government system YOU support is responsible for over 100 million deaths, unspeakable horrors, atrocities and genocide, every single time it has ever been tried. About every 20 years or so, you slobber all over Eurotrash Socialists who devise a newer incarnation of centralized authoritarian government. We generally end up having to send our boys off to war to save the world from the tyrants it produces.

 

[JoeB131]

But you've failed to prove the system is bad and stories like that of Madame C.J. Walker totally dispel your myths and expose your lies. Again... Free market capitalism. free enterprise, combined with constitutional representative republican government has produced more millionaires and billionaires, brought more people out of poverty and inspired more technological innovation and creation than ANY SYSTEM EVER DEVISED BY MAN!

Well, no, guy. The fact is, we have millions of people living in poverty, who are getting wiped out by a single illness. The fact is, the system REALLY IS A SHIT SANDWICH for most people. So this one woman, (I didn't botherto read about because I simply cannot generate a fuck) got rich in a bad system, so that made stuff like THIS okay?

Hey, the free market didn't put an end to this shit- THE GOVERNMENT DID.

 

[Boss]

Well, no, guy. The fact is, we have millions of people living in poverty....

Uhm... hate to be the one to tell you this, but we'll ALWAYS have poverty. There is no system that eliminates poverty. It is in OUR system more people can pull themselves out of poverty... Like Madame C.J. Walker.

And as for your emotive example of the children working... the government most certainly didn't put an end to it... the people did, through their elected representatives. IF governments did that, you wouldn't have that sort of thing in China or North Korea.

Again... we have a brilliantly genius system of free market capitalism, free enterprise, a constitution with a representative republican government. It is this "total package" that comprises the best system ever devised by man. You're trying to attack a critical part of that system in favor of the part you like more, which is what Marxists, Socialists and Communists do. Your system fails.

 

[kaz]

Well, no, guy. The fact is, we have millions of people living in poverty....

Uhm... hate to be the one to tell you this, but we'll ALWAYS have poverty. There is no system that eliminates poverty. It is in OUR system more people can pull themselves out of poverty... Like Madame C.J. Walker.

And as for your emotive example of the children working... the government most certainly didn't put an end to it... the people did, through their elected representatives. IF governments did that, you wouldn't have that sort of thing in China or North Korea.

Again... we have a brilliantly genius system of free market capitalism, free enterprise, a constitution with a representative republican government. It is this "total package" that comprises the best system ever devised by man. You're trying to attack a critical part of that system in favor of the part you like more, which is what Marxists, Socialists and Communists do. Your system fails.

To not have poverty would require a change in the behaviors of the people who are poor

 

[Pete7469]

Watching the argument progress further validates my opinion that libturds are mindless drones who regurgitate what they're programmed to, and are utterly devoid of a single independent synapse.

Boss has to his credit crushed every single talking point the jabbering bed wetters parrot.

Has a single moonbat even acknowledged the facts?

That's a serious question because I have %95 of the forum's bed wetters on ignore. You only have to read %5 of the libturds to know what the rest are babbling though.

So far I've seen nothing but insipid jibberish from these tools, not that I expected some profound reasonable logic that would lead me to believe that any level of marxist dogma might lead to fairness, equality or prosperity.

Venezuela is the most recent example of a country that has the potential to be an economic powerhouse, yet she's on the brink of a civil war because a significant percentage of her population has been indoctrinated to believe capitalism has impoverished them. Not the corruptocracy that uses every crisis to entrench itself in power, not the criminally insane totalitarian sociopaths who enrich themselves while squandering the wealth of the country.

While I applaud Boss' resilience and tenacity, and hope that at least one semi-indoctrinated but still cognizant young mind considers the FACTS, ignores the hyperbole, inane propaganda and flat out bullshit in order to make an independent judgement. I am further convinced that the sniveling asshole libturds are beyond hope.

They're dedicated to ignorance. They must be totally defeated if the country is going to be "made great again". Dump ain't going to do it. He might make a few improvements, but he is still a central statist. That said Hitlery is the embodiment of evil. If she wins you know the power brokers behind the scenes are ready to flush the country, escape with their ill gotten wealth and retire in New Zealand.

Liberalism must be conquered. It has to be crushed, not allowed to surrender or given quarter. People who truly cherish life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness better be ready when the bottom falls out and 50 million mindless zombies suddenly find out their beloved federal nanny is a dead whore. The bitch is clearly diseased, bankrupt and looking for a dark hole to curl and die in.

 

[Boss]

This is a really good movie you need to watch. It explains how the modern Progressive movement emerged. The bird brains aren't going to get it, they are programed to reject anything that challenges their narrative. They are too invested at this point. Dinesh S'Souza lays out the indictment of Saul Alinsky and how he tapped into the radical 60s movement who were ripe for the picking. After watching this, you will understand who these people are and what they are up to.

 

[Correll]

Sure he had choices. He could have dragged his feet at the very least.

Instead he rushed the job to get it done asap.

That was how he "pandered" to the Racist vote of the South. He moved aggressively to desegregate their schools in order for the issue to be moot by the time of his re-election.

Uh, no, guy. It had been two decades since Brown Struck down Seperate But Equal. Nixon wasn't rushing to get it done, he was forced to stop out the last embers of Jim Crow because he had promised to end race riots and he didn't want to create any new excuses for them.

And becuase the Courts told him he had no choice.

The GOP program excluded murderers like Horton from the program and a lefty judge and Dukakis vetoed that.

I think you are a little confused. What happened was that they created a furlough program, and guys like Horton who were doing life said, "Why can't we get some of that?" and the way it was worded, there was no legal reason to exclude them.

Dukakis signed a reform of the law that explicitly excluded people not eligible for release.

Bush wasn't having a 'rational discussion". If he was, he wouldn't have hidden behind front groups to put out htis commercial that his campaign supposedly had no link to (although it was eventually revealed he did.

This was pure scaremongering on race.

1. The fact that you keep dancing around like a coward is that Nixon, instead of pandering to southern racists, desegregated southern schools ASAP.

Whatever caused the South to flip, Nixon was NOT pandering to southern racists.

That is a lie lefties like you tell blacks to keep them afraid.


2. It is not scaremongering when a moronic liberals is letting murderers out to assault, stab and rape citizens.

 

[Correll]

Prisoners of bs ideology...guess what, read up on the history of the US and why reform was always necessary. So ignorant...

I don't need to read up on history, I am an expert on the subject. You've been indoctrinated by propaganda from Marxists and Communists. You have a warped and distorted revisionist view of history as told to you by your propaganda masters. The thing you don't understand is how they snicker at you behind closed doors... they have a term for you... "Useful Idiot!"

Finally an history expert. So my first question is why did Jefferson change Locke's property to pursuit of happiness?

Brainy question indeed. I personally believe that Jefferson was combining two comparable essays of Locke, one in which his popular phrase "life, liberty and property" came from and another in which he laments the "pursuit of happiness" as being the ultimate foundation of liberty. Some have also argued that, since slaves were considered property at that time, Jefferson was hesitant to render the institution of slavery so clearly a constitutional precept. Although he did own slaves, he realized the consciousness of America would one day have a great debate on the issue and he didn't want to solidify slave ownership as a fundamental constitutional right. This view is supported by people such as Frederick Douglass who thought the intentional wording of Jefferson was brilliant in that regard.

But of course, no one really knows for certain, this is simply an opinion. Great question though.

Indeed, there is plenty of historical evidence that the debate was already happening, as shown by the 3/5ths compromise.

 

[Correll]

Free market capitalism has been and always will be a disaster in the end...

And you're an abject idiot. Free market capitalism is responsible for creating more millionaires and billionaires than any system ever designed by man. It has lifted more people out of poverty than any system. It has given us more technology and advancement than any system. In fact, there isn't even a system that comes in a close second.

The system YOU advocate is responsible for more than 100 million deaths in the past 100 years. Horrible atrocities... unspeakable genocide... crippling poverty and economic catastrophe... over and over and over again. History is riddled with examples of it. Yet, about every 20 years, the aristocrats in Europe trot out yet another incarnation and stupid little morons like you slobber all over them as if they are offering something new.

I advocate the US system with less domination from the greedy idiot GOP and its ignorant dupes. I voted for Bernie in NY and no support Hillary. You don't support Trump. Who the hell do you support? I've never seen anyone more FOS in 9 years of message boards. Where do get this crap? LOL

If you vote for Trump then you also better build a bomb shelter in your back yard.

And so much for the GOP being the party running on Fear.