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Ask the germans and australians what renewables do to the price of electricity...they are the only ones who have really attempted to deploy renewables as a viable energy source...luckily we have barely deployed enough to do much more than ruin the landscape and kill our raptors, bats, and migratory birds at a truely alarming rate.
Which birds were blissfully happy with air pollution, coal mining, drilling for oil and the
AGW distortions to their migratory patterns threatening their very existence.
Re German renewable costs, see What German households pay for power
And, as I've said before, no such thing as a free lunch. However, the cost of switching to alternative energy is absolutely fucking pennies to the cost of dealing with AGW.
In my area corporate greed is the reason for higher rates. The reason electric rates are so high in the Tampa Bay area is because of the monopoly of Duke Energy. Duke forced customers to pay for a botched job of repairing the Chrystal River reactor that is now useless. Customers were charged in advance for a new reactor that was never built, but Duke kept most of the money. Ordinarily stockholders should have born most of the risk, but they made out while the customers lost.
Editorial: Duke Energy gives its customers a break
...ratepayers have already spent $800 million on a nuclear plant that will never be built. Blame both Duke and a lapdog Florida Legislature for that waste of money. More than a decade ago, enabling legislators passed the nuclear cost-recovery act that allowed Duke and other power companies to collect money in advance for nuclear plants becoming operational or, in this case, for one that was never built. The fallout from this folly made Duke radioactive to many of its customers, a hard lesson it has now learned.
The people of Tampa Bay are rightfully pissed that we are paying hundreds of millions for Duke's boondoggle, and that Duke is keeping our money for nothing. Your remark is irrelevant to Duke's corporate greed.In my area corporate greed is the reason for higher rates. The reason electric rates are so high in the Tampa Bay area is because of the monopoly of Duke Energy. Duke forced customers to pay for a botched job of repairing the Chrystal River reactor that is now useless. Customers were charged in advance for a new reactor that was never built, but Duke kept most of the money. Ordinarily stockholders should have born most of the risk, but they made out while the customers lost.
Editorial: Duke Energy gives its customers a break
...ratepayers have already spent $800 million on a nuclear plant that will never be built. Blame both Duke and a lapdog Florida Legislature for that waste of money. More than a decade ago, enabling legislators passed the nuclear cost-recovery act that allowed Duke and other power companies to collect money in advance for nuclear plants becoming operational or, in this case, for one that was never built. The fallout from this folly made Duke radioactive to many of its customers, a hard lesson it has now learned.
Your rates are miniscule compared to nations who have jumped on the renewables bandwagon.. and you can count on the power coming on whenever you flip the switch.
Capitalism happened. Maximize profit, minimize costs. They have a captive market and can charge whatever they want. They can jack up the prices as high as they can get away with.Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.
And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]
What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?
I am so ahead of my time.
That graph shows that from 2000 to 2009, there was a rise in electrical rates, and, from 2009 to 2016, the rise continued, except at a less steep rate. So, as renewables were incorporated into the grid, the increase rose less sharply. Even in spite of what the article stated for the reasons for the lack of a leveling off of costs.
Why Low Energy Prices Rarely Reach Electric Consumers - Microgrid Media
After peaking in 2008, the collapse of natural gas prices theoretically saved Americans nearly $250 billion over 3 years. Had the net savings been a stimulus package, the first year alone would have been the 2nd biggest in history. Seven years of low natural gas prices have resulted in plummeting wholesale power prices (what the utility pays), but few Americans feel like they’ve seen any benefit, especially on their electric bills.
Although natural gas prices, which are the biggest input into the electric system, have declined by 39% over the last decade, electricity prices have risen by 40%. As the industry saved around $30 billion a year, consumer rates still rose faster than inflation.
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Former CEO and current thought leader David Crane sees energy following a similar path of computers. In the 70s and 80s there were just a few massive, centralized supercomputers. Computers were a bulky, centralized systems. Then people found a way to string distributed PCs together, and the supercomputers weren’t necessary anymore. The computing power of distributed computers in the cloud surpassed all expectations.
Microgrids, ultimately, will not come from top down but the bottom up, owners of distributed energy resources like solar PV and batteries will realize they have spare capacity, says Crane in an interview with Columbia University’s Center For Global Energy Policy. “Whenever there’s spare capacity going forward, society is going to find a way to use that spare capacity.”
Though Crane admits getting in trouble at NRG for being ahead of the curve, the sharing economy for energy could be closer than we think.
So we have another dumb ass denier stating something about an article that is just the opposite of what the article says. LOL
That graph shows that from 2000 to 2009, there was a rise in electrical rates, and, from 2009 to 2016, the rise continued, except at a less steep rate. So, as renewables were incorporated into the grid, the increase rose less sharply. Even in spite of what the article stated for the reasons for the lack of a leveling off of costs.
Why Low Energy Prices Rarely Reach Electric Consumers - Microgrid Media
After peaking in 2008, the collapse of natural gas prices theoretically saved Americans nearly $250 billion over 3 years. Had the net savings been a stimulus package, the first year alone would have been the 2nd biggest in history. Seven years of low natural gas prices have resulted in plummeting wholesale power prices (what the utility pays), but few Americans feel like they’ve seen any benefit, especially on their electric bills.
Although natural gas prices, which are the biggest input into the electric system, have declined by 39% over the last decade, electricity prices have risen by 40%. As the industry saved around $30 billion a year, consumer rates still rose faster than inflation.
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Former CEO and current thought leader David Crane sees energy following a similar path of computers. In the 70s and 80s there were just a few massive, centralized supercomputers. Computers were a bulky, centralized systems. Then people found a way to string distributed PCs together, and the supercomputers weren’t necessary anymore. The computing power of distributed computers in the cloud surpassed all expectations.
Microgrids, ultimately, will not come from top down but the bottom up, owners of distributed energy resources like solar PV and batteries will realize they have spare capacity, says Crane in an interview with Columbia University’s Center For Global Energy Policy. “Whenever there’s spare capacity going forward, society is going to find a way to use that spare capacity.”
Though Crane admits getting in trouble at NRG for being ahead of the curve, the sharing economy for energy could be closer than we think.
So we have another dumb ass denier stating something about an article that is just the opposite of what the article says. LOL
That graph shows that from 2000 to 2009, there was a rise in electrical rates, and, from 2009 to 2016, the rise continued, except at a less steep rate. So, as renewables were incorporated into the grid, the increase rose less sharply.
How much of the slower rise was due to fracking, how much due to "renewables"?
Although natural gas prices, which are the biggest input into the electric system, have declined by 39% over the last decade, electricity prices have risen by 40%.
Weird, over the last decade "cheap" renewable energy has increased.
Maybe keeping a nat gas peaker plant ready, in the unlikely event that the wind slows or a cloud covers the Sun, makes "cheap" renewables not so cheap?
Moron, government must approve every electric utility price hike. Your Fkn government you call PRECIOUS.Capitalism happened. Maximize profit, minimize costs. They have a captive market and can charge whatever they want. They can jack up the prices as high as they can get away with.Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.
And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]
What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?
I am so ahead of my time.
Moron, $500M of capital equipment sitting idle is a huge loss and requires just as much maintenance.The cost of a plant that runs infrequently would be low. Minimal maintenance, minimal fuel consumption.
Well repugs run everything. Guess they must have given the a-ok to the rate hikes.Moron, government must approve every electric utility price hike. Your Fkn government you call PRECIOUS.Capitalism happened. Maximize profit, minimize costs. They have a captive market and can charge whatever they want. They can jack up the prices as high as they can get away with.Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.
And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]
What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?
I am so ahead of my time.
Now shitforbrains thinks Republicans control KKKaliforniaWell repugs run everything. Guess they must have given the a-ok to the rate hikes.Moron, government must approve every electric utility price hike. Your Fkn government you call PRECIOUS.Capitalism happened. Maximize profit, minimize costs. They have a captive market and can charge whatever they want. They can jack up the prices as high as they can get away with.Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.
And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]
What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?
I am so ahead of my time.
Capitalism happened. Maximize profit, minimize costs. They have a captive market and can charge whatever they want. They can jack up the prices as high as they can get away with.Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.
And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]
What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?
I am so ahead of my time.
Capitalism allowed the inventions of alternative energies.Capitalism happened. Maximize profit, minimize costs. They have a captive market and can charge whatever they want. They can jack up the prices as high as they can get away with.Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.
And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]
What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?
I am so ahead of my time.
Capitalism didn't suddenly appear with the advent of alternative energy technologies.
A myth created the need? Dude, you better go look up the history of using wind for energy. Long before the Maunder Minimum.....Global warming created the need. Science and engineering invented the alternative technologies. Capitalism eventually was able to fund their exploittion.
The point of my argument is that it's prime-order-stupid to suggest that alternative energies have arisen and raised the cost/kwh due to capitalism. Capitalism was exactly as in play when we were all lighting our light bulbs with coal and oil. We are not using alternative energies because someone wanted to get rich. We are using them because we don't want the world to go to shit quite as quickly as do our friendly local deniers.
