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    Between 2009 and 2017, the price of solar panels per watt declined by 75 percent while the price of wind turbines per watt declined by 50 percent.

    And yet — during the same period — the price of electricity in places that deployed significant quantities of renewables increased dramatically. […]

    What gives? If solar panels and wind turbines became so much cheaper, why did the price of electricity rise instead of decline?



    I am so ahead of my time.
     
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    How have electricity prices changed in the past 10 years?
    Utility residential electricity prices have risen steadily in the last decade. According to the Energy Information Administration, residential electricity rates have increased nationally by around 24% in the last 10 years (an increase of a little more than 0.2¢/year).

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    This graph, from the Energy Information Administration (EIA), shows the increase in average residential electricity prices as a percentage between February 2008 and present. During this period, US residential electricity prices rose by about 24%

    Are Electricity Prices Going Up or Down in 2018? | EnergySage

    Now there is a pretty definite slope upward from 2008 to 2014. Now 2014 is just about where wind and solar started being used in Mega-watt and Giga-watt installations. From 2014 to present, the curve is pretty flat. Seems that on this matter, as one most, you are full of shit.
     
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    Why Low Energy Prices Rarely Reach Electric Consumers - Microgrid Media
     
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    That graph shows that from 2000 to 2009, there was a rise in electrical rates, and, from 2009 to 2016, the rise continued, except at a less steep rate. So, as renewables were incorporated into the grid, the increase rose less sharply. Even in spite of what the article stated for the reasons for the lack of a leveling off of costs.

    Why Low Energy Prices Rarely Reach Electric Consumers - Microgrid Media

    After peaking in 2008, the collapse of natural gas prices theoretically saved Americans nearly $250 billion over 3 years. Had the net savings been a stimulus package, the first year alone would have been the 2nd biggest in history. Seven years of low natural gas prices have resulted in plummeting wholesale power prices (what the utility pays), but few Americans feel like they’ve seen any benefit, especially on their electric bills.

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    Although natural gas prices, which are the biggest input into the electric system, have declined by 39% over the last decade, electricity prices have risen by 40%. As the industry saved around $30 billion a year, consumer rates still rose faster than inflation.

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    Former CEO and current thought leader David Crane sees energy following a similar path of computers. In the 70s and 80s there were just a few massive, centralized supercomputers. Computers were a bulky, centralized systems. Then people found a way to string distributed PCs together, and the supercomputers weren’t necessary anymore. The computing power of distributed computers in the cloud surpassed all expectations.

    Microgrids, ultimately, will not come from top down but the bottom up, owners of distributed energy resources like solar PV and batteries will realize they have spare capacity, says Crane in an interview with Columbia University’s Center For Global Energy Policy. “Whenever there’s spare capacity going forward, society is going to find a way to use that spare capacity.”

    Though Crane admits getting in trouble at NRG for being ahead of the curve, the sharing economy for energy could be closer than we think.



    So we have another dumb ass denier stating something about an article that is just the opposite of what the article says. LOL
     
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    WILL THE FIRST USMB MEMBER STEP FORWARD TO STATE THEIR ENERGY COSTS HAVE GONE DOWN.

    State how much.

    End of thread.
     
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    The future of power;

     
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    Well now, dumb fuck, you have gone from stating that renewables increased the rate of rise of energy costs, to trying to say that renewables have failed because they have not decreased the costs. Your own article, as I have shown, stated that your whole premise was full of shit. Of course you want to end the thread now that you have been shown to be so grossly wrong.

    I do believe that we have a few on the USMB that have installed solar, and seen significant savings on their electrical bills.
     
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    You're bumbling again.

    Cost of energy as a whole is skyrocketing.
     
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    The yearly rate of increase has started to decline after we started installing renewables in a big way. And it is now economical for those with good southern exposure to install solar, payback time about five years. And that pressure on the utilities will eventually make them either lower their costs, or see people disconnecting from the grid. In the meantime, continue your 'oh woe is me' line, it is amusing.
     
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    Yearly rate increase of energy continues to be well beyond inflation, and going solar is going to be another kick in the ass like flaming sparky cars with the government screwing you over for going green.

    SDG&E Wants Solar Customers to Pay Up - Voice of San Diego
     
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