We Don't Need No Flaming Sparky Cars Part 23,468

[Weatherman2020]

Using a recent forecast prepared by the U.S. Energy Information Administration, Lesser’s analysis shows that, over the period 2018 – 2050, the electric generating plants that will charge new EVs will emit more air pollution than the same number of new internal combustion engines, even accounting for air pollution from oil refineries that manufacture gasoline.



I am so ahead of my time.

New report suggests broad adoption of electric vehicles may actually increase air pollution

 

[skookerasbil]

No worries Weather.........nobody wants these EV's anyway. When the subsidies go away, so will EV's.

 

[Old Rocks]

LOL You too dunderheads stand head and shoulders above the stupid crowd. You have reached a pinnicle of stupid that most others can only dream of. Neither of you will have any influence in the switch to EV's. The rest of the world will move on, and no one will even remember that you were so stupid concerning the renewable energy and EV's. WUWT has the same credibility as the Weekly World, that is to say, they have none.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Again.

 

[Sunsettommy]

LOL You too dunderheads stand head and shoulders above the stupid crowd. You have reached a pinnicle of stupid that most others can only dream of. Neither of you will have any influence in the switch to EV's. The rest of the world will move on, and no one will even remember that you were so stupid concerning the renewable energy and EV's. WUWT has the same credibility as the Weekly World, that is to say, they have none.

Translation: I have no counter argument to offer, therefore will scream like a woman instead.

 

[skookerasbil]

Again.....nobody wants EVs. C'mon now....1% growth in the market in last 5 years!

 

[Old Rocks]

Electric Car Demand Growing, Global Market Hits 740,000 Units | CleanTechnica

These graphs are three years old. That growth is even more rapid today as the Model 3 Tesla ramps up.

 

[Old Rocks]

Hybrid vehicles may have had pole position so far in the race to a sustainable transportation future, but electric-only vehicles are about to pull even – and they’re both becoming a significant part of global vehicle sales.

Combined worldwide sales of hybrid and plug-in electric vehicles will reach 6.6 million annual units by 2020 and become almost 7% of the total light-duty vehicle market, according to Navigant Research’s 2013-2020 Electric Vehicle Market Forecast.

Several factors are fueling this growth, including consumer demand for less-expensive operational costs compared to gasoline-powered vehicles, consistent government policy, multiple new models from major automakers, and lower battery prices.

Electric Vehicles Speeding Toward 7% Of All Global Sales By 2020

As the battery technology improves, providing much more power density and lower costs, the EV's will take off. As will the sale of residential solar systems with battery storage.

 

[Old Rocks]

Global Plug-in Sales for Q1-2018
2017 was a great year for Plug-ins and the pace continues: Quarter 1 deliveries of this year were 312 400 units worldwide, 59 % higher than for Q1-2017. The numbers include all global BEV and PHEV passenger cars sales, light trucks in USA/Canada, light commercial vehicles in Europe and now also light commercial vehicles in China as a new, emerging category. Plug-in hybrids (+69 %) increased faster than pure EVs (+52 %) again, PHEVs stood for 39 % for Q1-2018.

1076 fuel-cell vehicles were delivered, 34 % more than for Q1 of last year.

China was less impacted by delayed subsidies this year and had a strong start, BYD in particular, with their Qin and Song PHEVs. The long awaited Tesla Model-3 had over 8000 deliveries during Q1 and made it to place 10 in the global model ranking for March. The best selling model overall was the new Nissan Leaf with 22 000 deliveries, 44 % more than last year.

The fastest growing markets in Q1 were China (+113 %), Canada (+114 %), Netherlands (+122 %), South Korea (+138 %), Spain (+118 %, Finland (+144 %), New Zealand (+99 %) and Australia (+132 %). Share leaders are Norway (as usual), where 46 % of new car sales were Plug-ins this year. Iceland comes 2nd with 26 % and Sweden 3rd with 7 % for Q1 combined. All larger economies had plug-in shares shares of 2,5 % or lower.

EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database

This very rapid growth will be accelerated if ol' Trumpy gets us into a trade war, and the price of oil spikes upward.

 

[skookerasbil]

Global Plug-in Sales for Q1-2018
2017 was a great year for Plug-ins and the pace continues: Quarter 1 deliveries of this year were 312 400 units worldwide, 59 % higher than for Q1-2017. The numbers include all global BEV and PHEV passenger cars sales, light trucks in USA/Canada, light commercial vehicles in Europe and now also light commercial vehicles in China as a new, emerging category. Plug-in hybrids (+69 %) increased faster than pure EVs (+52 %) again, PHEVs stood for 39 % for Q1-2018.

1076 fuel-cell vehicles were delivered, 34 % more than for Q1 of last year.

China was less impacted by delayed subsidies this year and had a strong start, BYD in particular, with their Qin and Song PHEVs. The long awaited Tesla Model-3 had over 8000 deliveries during Q1 and made it to place 10 in the global model ranking for March. The best selling model overall was the new Nissan Leaf with 22 000 deliveries, 44 % more than last year.

The fastest growing markets in Q1 were China (+113 %), Canada (+114 %), Netherlands (+122 %), South Korea (+138 %), Spain (+118 %, Finland (+144 %), New Zealand (+99 %) and Australia (+132 %). Share leaders are Norway (as usual), where 46 % of new car sales were Plug-ins this year. Iceland comes 2nd with 26 % and Sweden 3rd with 7 % for Q1 combined. All larger economies had plug-in shares shares of 2,5 % or lower.

EV-Volumes - The Electric Vehicle World Sales Database

This very rapid growth will be accelerated if ol' Trumpy gets us into a trade war, and the price of oil spikes upward.

Lol....300,000 units!! Your kidding us right?

That doesn't come anywhere near the combined sales of the Ford Focus and Fusion!

C'mon now.... electric vehicles are a joke!

 

[Old Rocks]

2010, almost no EV's. 2011, only a 7% growth rate. 2012, a 162% growth rate. 2013, 68%, 2014, 53% 2015, 68% 2016, 42% 2017, 65%, projected for 2018, 48%.
That represents a very rapid growth. If the double digit growth rate continues, by 2030 the EV's will dominate the market.

 

[skookerasbil]

2010, almost no EV's. 2011, only a 7% growth rate. 2012, a 162% growth rate. 2013, 68%, 2014, 53% 2015, 68% 2016, 42% 2017, 65%, projected for 2018, 48%.
That represents a very rapid growth. If the double digit growth rate continues, by 2030 the EV's will dominate the market.

Wow....impressive looking growth "rate" numbers huh? To the suckers of the world, it looks like EV's are taking over the world

But many statistics create a false impression when you take a closer look.

Not so impressive?

Electric cars account for 1% of vehicle sales!!

1%

Automakers are betting big on electric cars — but there's a lingering problem with EVs no one is talking about

Five years ago, every single climate crusader in here was promising that electric vehicles would be making a huge impact in the car market by 2020.

 

[skookerasbil]

Hey Billy, I got a question?

Why do these people even bother with these fake graphs? Invariably, every single one of them gets nuked in here.... leaving the poster with egg on their face and the tail between their legs. Happens every time, so what gives with these people?

 

[Sunsettommy]

What warmists fail to realize is that Electric cars create MORE GHG emissions than Gas cars do over their lifetime, as shown here, from Elsevier:

Cradle-to-gate greenhouse gas emissions of battery electric and internal combustion engine vehicles in China

"Highlights

Cradle-to-gate greenhouse gas emissions of internal combustion engine and battery electric vehicles are compared.

Greenhouse gas emissions of battery electric vehicles are 50% higher than internal combustion engine vehicles.

Traction battery production causes about 20% greenhouse gas emissions increase.

10% variations of curb weight, electricity and Li-ion battery production affect the results by 7%, 4% and 2%.

Manufacturing technique improvement, vehicle recycling and energy structure optimization are major mitigation opportunities."

Where do you think Electric cars get their electricity from.....?

 

[Sunsettommy]

More details from Jo Nova

Save the world with internal combustion engines

December 13, 2017

"Who cares about 50% more emissions?

A new study in China compares cars with internal combustion engines to electric cars. Qiao et al estimate that from cradle-to-gate electric cars use about 50% more energy and produce around 50% more emissions. (Thanks to Kenneth Richards at NoTricksZone.)

All Greens should hereby recycle their EV and buy a gas guzzler.

This is not even “lifetime costs” which include disposal.

These results will come as no surprise to people who remember the detailed study in Norway of 2012 which found that “…in regions where fossil fuels are the main sources of power, electric cars offer no benefits and may even cause more harm, the report said.”

In China, these electric cars are powered by 65% coal. Call them “coal-fired-cars”.

The largest single difference was with the battery."

Warmists sure flubbed on this because they don't think all the way through.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Again.....nobody wants EVs. C'mon now....1% growth in the market in last 5 years!

Only people buying them are those with insecurities who need to show the world they care about Mother Gaia so much they spend a fortune in electricity and a lame chick repellent car.

 

[Old Rocks]

Summary As the automotive industry is on the brink of a major electric transition, environmental performance of EVs has become a highly debated topic. This briefing addresses two critical aspects of this debate, namely the climate impact of EVs and the use of critical metals, including rare earth minerals. The lifecycle analysis of EVs shows that even when powered by the most carbon intensive electricity in Europe, they emit less GHG than a conventional diesel vehicle. As more renewable electricity enters the European grid, the climate impact of EV will further diminish. Likewise, technological improvement of battery chemistry, the reuse of battery for storage purposes, and the development of a recycling industry for EV batteries will lead to improvements in their sustainability. Critical metals and rare earth minerals will not be constrained in the coming decades and won’t stop the EV transition, as some have argued. Supply of these materials will have to be closely monitored and diversified to avoid being overly dependent on imports, as is the case with oil today. To this extent, innovation will in the long term contribute to reduce the quantity of critical metals used in EVs. 1

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/2017_10_EV_LCA_briefing_final.pdf

Well now, I guess that depends on who you ask.

 

[Old Rocks]

I often hear claims, from EV detractors, that electric cars produce more CO2 than an ICE powered car, because the electricity is produced from polluting sources, and CO2 from the production process of batteries adds to the total. They skirt round the realities of every ICE powered car having an atmospheric pollution pipe sticking out the back, producing CO2, and rather more, for the entire lifetime of the car. The entire process of oil extraction is highly polluting, and also releases methane into the atmosphere.

The Myth Debunked
A recent report in the Guardian entirely debunks the whole myth. Researchers calculated that the total life-cycle emissions of an electric car, including its manufacture, battery manufacture, and all of its energy consumption, is significantly less than diesel powered cars, even when they are powered by electricity from coal. Where the electricity is from renewable sources, the comparison is even more favourable for electric vehicles. For example –

In Poland, which uses high volumes of coal, electric vehicles produced 25% less emissions than diesels,

but, in Sweden, with Europe’s cleanest grid, electric vehicles produced a remarkable 85% less,

and in the UK, as somewhere in between, EVs still managed 50% less.

EVs – 50% Less Greenhouse-Gas Emissions than Diesels

Well, I think that it is safe to say that shortly the trucking industry will switch to EV's.

 

[Weatherman2020]

I often hear claims, from EV detractors, that electric cars produce more CO2 than an ICE powered car, because the electricity is produced from polluting sources, and CO2 from the production process of batteries adds to the total. They skirt round the realities of every ICE powered car having an atmospheric pollution pipe sticking out the back, producing CO2, and rather more, for the entire lifetime of the car. The entire process of oil extraction is highly polluting, and also releases methane into the atmosphere.

The Myth Debunked
A recent report in the Guardian entirely debunks the whole myth. Researchers calculated that the total life-cycle emissions of an electric car, including its manufacture, battery manufacture, and all of its energy consumption, is significantly less than diesel powered cars, even when they are powered by electricity from coal. Where the electricity is from renewable sources, the comparison is even more favourable for electric vehicles. For example –

In Poland, which uses high volumes of coal, electric vehicles produced 25% less emissions than diesels,

but, in Sweden, with Europe’s cleanest grid, electric vehicles produced a remarkable 85% less,

and in the UK, as somewhere in between, EVs still managed 50% less.

EVs – 50% Less Greenhouse-Gas Emissions than Diesels

Well, I think that it is safe to say that shortly the trucking industry will switch to EV's.

 

[skookerasbil]

Summary As the automotive industry is on the brink of a major electric transition, environmental performance of EVs has become a highly debated topic. This briefing addresses two critical aspects of this debate, namely the climate impact of EVs and the use of critical metals, including rare earth minerals. The lifecycle analysis of EVs shows that even when powered by the most carbon intensive electricity in Europe, they emit less GHG than a conventional diesel vehicle. As more renewable electricity enters the European grid, the climate impact of EV will further diminish. Likewise, technological improvement of battery chemistry, the reuse of battery for storage purposes, and the development of a recycling industry for EV batteries will lead to improvements in their sustainability. Critical metals and rare earth minerals will not be constrained in the coming decades and won’t stop the EV transition, as some have argued. Supply of these materials will have to be closely monitored and diversified to avoid being overly dependent on imports, as is the case with oil today. To this extent, innovation will in the long term contribute to reduce the quantity of critical metals used in EVs. 1

https://www.transportenvironment.org/sites/te/files/publications/2017_10_EV_LCA_briefing_final.pdf

Well now, I guess that depends on who you ask.

Lol.... you said the same thing 5 years ago! EV's = 1% of car sales... they might as well lock the thread.!. Nothing else left to be said.