Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?

[GreatestIam]

God is better than Satan, how?

He's stronger and more powerful, therefore BETTER.

If we look at morality, Satan does not torture and kill babies the way God does

Human beings have no rights. Not even a right to life. We are here to test our souls through trial, pain, hardship and suffering. Nothing more.

Also, which sub-humans have ever demanded equality?

Women, racial and ethnic minorities, the handicapped, religious organizations, etc....

How could God have created sub-humans???

God only created 1 man. That's it. Everyone else, comes from God's creation.

God might have played a part in some of the others created, Isaac, John the Baptist, and Jesus, just to name a few. God created Adam perfectly, and Adam chose not to be perfect. So lay the blame where it goes, your ancestor, Adam.

We cannot do that as the logic of the bible on perfection says that perfection cannot go to imperfection.

Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

You and Christians would have us think that God, the good tree, --- produced corrupt fruit.

If you believe scriptures that say God's work is perfect that is.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect:

Revelation 4:11 (KJV) Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

Amos 3:6 (KJV)Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

Seems even the evil God creates is perfect.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Might makes right and screw morality. Yep, sounds like the God of the bible.

Thanks for this.

Regards
DL

It may also be that right makes might. If an overwhelmingly vast majority of God's creations recognize and honor him as their God because he is a loving, kind, wise, just, and merciful being,

2/3 is not an overwhelmingly vast majority. At best, it is a fair to poor majority.

But I will give you that point if you can prove that God is loving, kind, wise, just, and merciful, the way scriptures say you should prove all things.

1 Thesalonian 5;21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Let's prove whether God is good or evil by asking a simple question on biblical stories, --- looked at from a moral perspective.

You will know the story of King David's baby, that of the great flood and that of the killing of the innocent first born of Egypt.

Who is more likely to torture and kill innocent babies and children?

Satan or God?

Answer with just on name the way I can. You need not explain your choice just as I need not explain the choice I made which I shall give you on receipt of your choice.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

Been a LOOONG time DL.
First off Satan did NOT want equal rights as he had them. He WANTED equal powers and that is different.

"Fires"

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

You mean that Jesus could not take the seat of power at God's right hand the way scriptures say he did because he only has the same rights as Satan and Satan of course cannot take that seat. Right?

That would mean that the whole sacrifice and ascension was a lie. Is that your position?

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

You are comparing women to Satan. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. This is such vileness and savageness. Refrain from ever doing so again.

Look at the Vatican art of Satan and tell us that those big breasts are not those of a woman.

Come back and recant if you have honor and are honest.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

When God's 'displeased' with someone he just kills them. Why not kill Satan? Why create hell and go through all that? And why with the entire universe to choose from does he put hell here? Why not on the other side of the universe?

If God just kills those that displease Him, why are there any Jews left?

Depends who you are, David and his doodle got off scott free whist Onan got the mighty smitely...

No they didn't. David lost a child because of his sin. Onan refused to give his brother's widow a child according to the Law. That was his sin.

David's baby was tortured for 6 days before God finally had enough fun and murdered it.

You show what kind of Christian you are by lying about scriptures. The story is quite clear so go read it for the first time.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

Been a LOOONG time DL.
First off Satan did NOT want equal rights as he had them. He WANTED equal powers and that is different.

"Fires"

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

He did not. He also didn't want equal power, he wanted to be greater than God, but wasn't.

Perhaps Satan and the 1/3 of hosts just wanted to be able to think freely and not be slaved to God the way Paul says all in heaven will be slaved to God.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

This thread isn't any more interesting on this board than it was on the others...

Thanks for driving up the traffic on both.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

In heaven, there is a perfect law of love. Satan was cast out of heaven for introducing tyranny. He wanted to rule by force and not by free will. If that is what you call equal rights, you are gravely mistaken.
).

Where did Satan get such notions if not from the creator of all concepts, God himself?

Regards
DL

We know one time Lucifer was an angel of light.
Lucifer actually means light bearer
Freee agency ceases in some aspects in the sense that a person who wants to be saved follows the Father and doesn't take the opposite course.
Might be an interesting concept of women and authority to ask God about, but it's totally different with gays who willfully rebel

You think God condemned us and then turned around and had Jesus killed just to reverse his condemnation. Rather a stupid way to do things don't you think? Dumbest and most unjust judge I have ever heard of.

Care to argue for that stupidity being just?

As to gays, why would God create them and their natures if ne just wanted them to fight their own natures. Another bit of stupidity you might like to address.

Regards
DL

 

[DarkFury]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

Been a LOOONG time DL.
First off Satan did NOT want equal rights as he had them. He WANTED equal powers and that is different.

"Fires"

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

You mean that Jesus could not take the seat of power at God's right hand the way scriptures say he did because he only has the same rights as Satan and Satan of course cannot take that seat. Right?

That would mean that the whole sacrifice and ascension was a lie. Is that your position?

Regards
DL

Satan WAS an angel and very close to God. Satan is older then Jesus. When Jesus was born Satan knew his assuming power was coming to an end.

Jesus gets the throne by blood and birth right something Satan does not have. Satan and some angels start breeding with humans on earth and Satan and 'his" angels are bannished to earth for THAT very reason.

Satan then proclaims HIS Kingdom on earth. Thus the start of the promised final battle. You see angels like man HAD free choice.
Some men like some angels swapped that choice for power.

ALL shall meet and a fight shall start. BOTH sides have predicted they will win.

 

[DarkFury]

In heaven, there is a perfect law of love. Satan was cast out of heaven for introducing tyranny. He wanted to rule by force and not by free will. If that is what you call equal rights, you are gravely mistaken.
).

Where did Satan get such notions if not from the creator of all concepts, God himself?

Regards
DL

We know one time Lucifer was an angel of light.
Lucifer actually means light bearer
Freee agency ceases in some aspects in the sense that a person who wants to be saved follows the Father and doesn't take the opposite course.
Might be an interesting concept of women and authority to ask God about, but it's totally different with gays who willfully rebel

You think God condemned us and then turned around and had Jesus killed just to reverse his condemnation. Rather a stupid way to do things don't you think? Dumbest and most unjust judge I have ever heard of.

Care to argue for that stupidity being just?

As to gays, why would God create them and their natures if ne just wanted them to fight their own natures. Another bit of stupidity you might like to address.

Regards
DL

The purity of a blood line was destroyed in the garden. Even the ark was unable to remove the tainted blood. It's only natural that things like perverts spring from tainted blood.

 

[GreatestIam]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

Been a LOOONG time DL.
First off Satan did NOT want equal rights as he had them. He WANTED equal powers and that is different.

"Fires"

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

You mean that Jesus could not take the seat of power at God's right hand the way scriptures say he did because he only has the same rights as Satan and Satan of course cannot take that seat. Right?

That would mean that the whole sacrifice and ascension was a lie. Is that your position?

Regards
DL

Satan WAS an angel and very close to God. Satan is older then Jesus. When Jesus was born Satan knew his assuming power was coming to an end.

Jesus gets the throne by blood and birth right something Satan does not have. Satan and some angels start breeding with humans on earth and Satan and 'his" angels are bannished to earth for THAT very reason.

Satan then proclaims HIS Kingdom on earth. Thus the start of the promised final battle. You see angels like man HAD free choice.
Some men like some angels swapped that choice for power.

ALL shall meet and a fight shall start. BOTH sides have predicted they will win.

So Jesus, 1/3 of Go is younger than the Satan he created.

You are not making any sense at all.

Regards
DL

 

[DarkFury]

Been a LOOONG time DL.
First off Satan did NOT want equal rights as he had them. He WANTED equal powers and that is different.

"Fires"

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

You mean that Jesus could not take the seat of power at God's right hand the way scriptures say he did because he only has the same rights as Satan and Satan of course cannot take that seat. Right?

That would mean that the whole sacrifice and ascension was a lie. Is that your position?

Regards
DL

Satan WAS an angel and very close to God. Satan is older then Jesus. When Jesus was born Satan knew his assuming power was coming to an end.

Jesus gets the throne by blood and birth right something Satan does not have. Satan and some angels start breeding with humans on earth and Satan and 'his" angels are bannished to earth for THAT very reason.

Satan then proclaims HIS Kingdom on earth. Thus the start of the promised final battle. You see angels like man HAD free choice.
Some men like some angels swapped that choice for power.

ALL shall meet and a fight shall start. BOTH sides have predicted they will win.

So Jesus, 1/3 of Go is younger than the Satan he created.

You are not making any sense at all.

Regards
DL

Yes because Satan was at the garden right?
Jesus came later and with purpose.

 

[GreatestIam]

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

You mean that Jesus could not take the seat of power at God's right hand the way scriptures say he did because he only has the same rights as Satan and Satan of course cannot take that seat. Right?

That would mean that the whole sacrifice and ascension was a lie. Is that your position?

Regards
DL

Satan WAS an angel and very close to God. Satan is older then Jesus. When Jesus was born Satan knew his assuming power was coming to an end.

Jesus gets the throne by blood and birth right something Satan does not have. Satan and some angels start breeding with humans on earth and Satan and 'his" angels are bannished to earth for THAT very reason.

Satan then proclaims HIS Kingdom on earth. Thus the start of the promised final battle. You see angels like man HAD free choice.
Some men like some angels swapped that choice for power.

ALL shall meet and a fight shall start. BOTH sides have predicted they will win.

So Jesus, 1/3 of Go is younger than the Satan he created.

You are not making any sense at all.

Regards
DL

Yes because Satan was at the garden right?
Jesus came later and with purpose.

Sigh. You have forgotten your bible, if you ever read it.

Do you not even know of that stupid Trinity concept.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Start thinking of what is given to you my friend. Start connecting dots if you are going to try to make apologies defending your immoral creed.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

In heaven, there is a perfect law of love. Satan was cast out of heaven for introducing tyranny. He wanted to rule by force and not by free will. If that is what you call equal rights, you are gravely mistaken.
).

Where did Satan get such notions if not from the creator of all concepts, God himself?

Regards
DL

We know one time Lucifer was an angel of light.
Lucifer actually means light bearer
Freee agency ceases in some aspects in the sense that a person who wants to be saved follows the Father and doesn't take the opposite course.
Might be an interesting concept of women and authority to ask God about, but it's totally different with gays who willfully rebel

You think God condemned us and then turned around and had Jesus killed just to reverse his condemnation. Rather a stupid way to do things don't you think? Dumbest and most unjust judge I have ever heard of.

Care to argue for that stupidity being just?

As to gays, why would God create them and their natures if ne just wanted them to fight their own natures. Another bit of stupidity you might like to address.

Regards
DL

The purity of a blood line was destroyed in the garden. Even the ark was unable to remove the tainted blood. It's only natural that things like perverts spring from tainted blood.

Sigh. I will start to charge you for training you to become a decent apologist.

Have you forgotten that it was the sons of God who fathered the Nephelem that cause God to flood the earth to kill off his own grandchildren.

Go read your bible for the first time.

Regards
DL

 

[DarkFury]

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

You mean that Jesus could not take the seat of power at God's right hand the way scriptures say he did because he only has the same rights as Satan and Satan of course cannot take that seat. Right?

That would mean that the whole sacrifice and ascension was a lie. Is that your position?

Regards
DL

Satan WAS an angel and very close to God. Satan is older then Jesus. When Jesus was born Satan knew his assuming power was coming to an end.

Jesus gets the throne by blood and birth right something Satan does not have. Satan and some angels start breeding with humans on earth and Satan and 'his" angels are bannished to earth for THAT very reason.

Satan then proclaims HIS Kingdom on earth. Thus the start of the promised final battle. You see angels like man HAD free choice.
Some men like some angels swapped that choice for power.

ALL shall meet and a fight shall start. BOTH sides have predicted they will win.

So Jesus, 1/3 of Go is younger than the Satan he created.

You are not making any sense at all.

Regards
DL

Yes because Satan was at the garden right?
Jesus came later and with purpose.

Sigh. You have forgotten your bible, if you ever read it.

Do you not even know of that stupid Trinity concept.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Start thinking of what is given to you my friend. Start connecting dots if you are going to try to make apologies defending your immoral creed.

Regards
DL

Chosen does not mean created yet. And I understand the trinity a little different then others.

Oh and it IS good to see you again.

 

[DarkFury]

In heaven, there is a perfect law of love. Satan was cast out of heaven for introducing tyranny. He wanted to rule by force and not by free will. If that is what you call equal rights, you are gravely mistaken.
).

Where did Satan get such notions if not from the creator of all concepts, God himself?

Regards
DL

We know one time Lucifer was an angel of light.
Lucifer actually means light bearer
Freee agency ceases in some aspects in the sense that a person who wants to be saved follows the Father and doesn't take the opposite course.
Might be an interesting concept of women and authority to ask God about, but it's totally different with gays who willfully rebel

You think God condemned us and then turned around and had Jesus killed just to reverse his condemnation. Rather a stupid way to do things don't you think? Dumbest and most unjust judge I have ever heard of.

Care to argue for that stupidity being just?

As to gays, why would God create them and their natures if ne just wanted them to fight their own natures. Another bit of stupidity you might like to address.

Regards
DL

The purity of a blood line was destroyed in the garden. Even the ark was unable to remove the tainted blood. It's only natural that things like perverts spring from tainted blood.

Sigh. I will start to charge you for training you to become a decent apologist.

Have you forgotten that it was the sons of God who fathered the Nephelem that cause God to flood the earth to kill off his own grandchildren.

Go read your bible for the first time.

Regards
DL

Those "sons" were the creation of man by man through breeding. NOT the son of God.

 

[Muslim75]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

You are comparing women to Satan. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. This is such vileness and savageness. Refrain from ever doing so again.

Look at the Vatican art of Satan and tell us that those big breasts are not those of a woman.

Come back and recant if you have honor and are honest.

Regards
DL

I won't look it up, I'll take your word on it, and if it's true, it's outrageous. I knew Christianity was a barbarious religion, that's another instance of it.

A woman is not a Satan, that's obvious. Maybe men are (if anything), but men also are not Satans. Men are impure (but not Satans) and women are pure, that's obvious. These are facts.

Some things, like this issue, are obvious, simply. Like also, for instance, men do not come down from apes. That is obvious. Men do not re-incarnate. That is also obvious (because God is not short of bodies so as to make for 1 soul a great many bodies).

A woman is pure, not evil, she's not a Satan. That is obvious. If someone would be a Satan, that would be the man. People who believe as you do are a threat to the well being of people.

 

[hadit]

When God's 'displeased' with someone he just kills them. Why not kill Satan? Why create hell and go through all that? And why with the entire universe to choose from does he put hell here? Why not on the other side of the universe?

If God just kills those that displease Him, why are there any Jews left?

Depends who you are, David and his doodle got off scott free whist Onan got the mighty smitely...

No they didn't. David lost a child because of his sin. Onan refused to give his brother's widow a child according to the Law. That was his sin.

David's baby was tortured for 6 days before God finally had enough fun and murdered it.

You show what kind of Christian you are by lying about scriptures. The story is quite clear so go read it for the first time.

Regards
DL

Sin is serious business.

 

[hadit]

Was Satan wrong to demand equal rights in heaven?


Heaven, from what we can speculate, seems to be a system that some would call a tyranny as no one was allowed to question anything or ask for change in leadership or policies.


Was Satan and the third of angels who rejected tyranny wrong to demand equal rights, and if so, are all people who demand equal rights on earth also doing something satanic?


Is this why most religions are reluctant to give women and gays equality? Do Christians and Muslims think equality to be evil and satanic?


Do religious people think that their Gods frown on the notions of equality of all people and is that why believers deny women and gays equality?


Regards

DL

Been a LOOONG time DL.
First off Satan did NOT want equal rights as he had them. He WANTED equal powers and that is different.

"Fires"

Hi buddy. Yes, long tine no chat.

That indicates that he could be as powerful as God.

If Satan had equal rights with God, why did she not rule in heaven as equal rights says she had the right to do?

Regards
DL

Satan HAD the equal rights of Jesus. What gave him envy was NOT having the equal powers of God.

He did not. He also didn't want equal power, he wanted to be greater than God, but wasn't.

Perhaps Satan and the 1/3 of hosts just wanted to be able to think freely and not be slaved to God the way Paul says all in heaven will be slaved to God.

Regards
DL

They obviously were given that choice. They made their choice and dealt with the consequences thereof. Would you have God be unjust and simply ignore what they did?

 

[onefour1]

2/3 is not an overwhelmingly vast majority. At best, it is a fair to poor majority.

But I will give you that point if you can prove that God is loving, kind, wise, just, and merciful, the way scriptures say you should prove all things.

1 Thesalonian 5;21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Let's prove whether God is good or evil by asking a simple question on biblical stories, --- looked at from a moral perspective.

You will know the story of King David's baby, that of the great flood and that of the killing of the innocent first born of Egypt.

Who is more likely to torture and kill innocent babies and children?

Satan or God?

Answer with just on name the way I can. You need not explain your choice just as I need not explain the choice I made which I shall give you on receipt of your choice.

Regards
DL

I was not referring to just God's children. I was referring to all of God's creations in respect to an overwhelming majority.


Read my post #35, God has the responsibility and authority over life on a mortal planet. It is a school ground for raising his children. If he wants to take you out of mortality, he has that right. I'm sure we were all in agreement before we came here. We just go back into eternity and continue living. We will even get our bodies back eventually. God is the caretaker. He is the only one who has ultimate authority to put us here or take us back. The rest of us are under his special command to not kill others unless we have his permission. Its not a moral issue in God's case because he is God and not subject to the mortal law that he gave to us. Its his school he created for our development. He is the principal law giver of our mortal probation and not the subject of the probation. His duty is to run our mortal lives as he sees good and right. If ending our lives is right at a given time, then we are simply pulled back into eternity by the caretaker. Its a process that takes place under supervision of God. Placing mortals here and removing them back to eternity is his right and domain. Its not a mortal issue under the grand scheme of things. Only for us who as mortals here are given the commandment to not kill our fellow mortals because that is how God expects us to treat each other while we work out our mortal lives. Only if he permits us to do so is it lawful in his eyes. It is not a law in the eternities because things don't die in the eternities. It is a mortal law for his children he has placed here. On the other hand, Satan has no authority here. But he tries to get us to go against God's commandments. He is still in a state of rebellion against God.

The death of all the people and children that God has taken back into eternity was his right as God of this earth. Satan and those he inspired to murder had no authority. From an eternal perspective, we all continue to live, but God is justified as the creator and author of this mortal probation. Before we came to this earth I am confident that we all agreed and trusted God to place us here and to take us out when he saw fit to do so. But Satan was not recognized and has tempted many to go against the will of God who has legitimacy.