Was obama The Reason The LEFT Turned Into Full Blown Socialists?

[peach174]

Yes socialism has meant the same thing in all of the dictionary's.
This is why I posted earlier as to why are a going to-wards socialism.
Any one who has a different point of view. Vilified.
There is a huge difference between actual being a libertarian and communist.
There is not that much difference between being a progressive and a socialist.
Both parties put up scary labels on things and many people automatically hate it and react to it.
I am against a big huge government that is now spending more than it takes in and refuses do what is right for the people.
Both parties are playing political games, because both want to stay in power.
You have labeled me wrong. I am far from incurious nor am I lazy.
You just hate my view points.
You are just like all lefty's, intolerant of anyone who does not accept your political view points.

 

[Clementine]

The left has pride left at all. They are now full blown socialists and communists. We also know that their messiah is a full blown spread the wealth around, tax the rich, redistribute the wealth, out of control big government spender, and they love him, dear leader, he gives them things for FREE. If the democrats of 30 years ago could see what kind of people the democrats of today have become, they'd roll over in their graves. I'm just waiting for the swastikas on arm bands at obama rallies. That's all that's missing.

The far left has worked for years to bring socialism/communism to America. They used to be immediately dismissed because they went against our constitution. They got smart decades ago and realized that in order to sell their brand of change, they needed to get to people while they were young. Teens with minds ready to be molded was the answer, so the plan was for the far left to start taking over education. For the public schools, the Dept of Education became a valuable vessel. They also infiltrated colleges. Over the years, history has been re-written and they changed the focus to social issues rather than the basics- reading, writing and arithmatic. We literally have idiots who cannot read, write or balance a check book, but can repeat left talking points regarding social justice verbatim. Kids have been indoctrinated for years. Some of these liberal professors, such as Ayers, are difficult to stomach, but they have the trust of the young minds full of mush. They have taught them not to listen to their Republican parents. Some outright teach that the right is wrong on everything. And they get away with it. These educators, and I use the term loosely for some, have tenure and are so protected by unions that they are nearly untouchable as they seek to poison the minds of children.

Obama was likely a product of that indoctrination, more than the cause of the change. He was sufficiently molded by the left and went on to teach other students about Alinsky's Rule for Radicals, something is he clearly an expert in applying. He is merely carrying on the liberal agenda, but because he is mixed race, they were able to use the race card to shame people and scare them out of speaking out against the ultra liberal policies.

 

[peach174]

Why do you just repeat things you've read or heard?

My first generation Cuban American friend checks things out. He joined the Tea Party but then quit when he saw a web domain name was taken out SIX months before the Tea Party started recruitment. He says that kind of secretive manipulation is exactly the way Fidelistas do things - and that is 100% true.

Mike Huckabee collected signatures for TWO summers to force the Senate to consider the repeal of Obamacare.

If the majority did not want it why didn't Huckabee get enuff signatures in TWO tries to force it to the Senate floor?

Do NOT believe just what you are told. Investigate and dig deeper because that is where the truth is....not on the surface where you are looking.

Regards from Rosie

I looked it up on the polls;
Public opinion of the health care law - CBS News
At the time of it's passage 55 percent were against it.

And why are you stuck there? Did you not see all the Huckabee ads all over the TV during the summers? If your poll still held would not have Huckabee prevailed?

Why are you reverting back to the time of passage and refusing to acknowledge the Huckabee truth I spell out for you?

Regards from Rosie

Gee I did not think that June of 2012 was all that far back.
The Dem's hold the Senate Rosie, they are not going to vote against their own bill.
If the Dem's had not had complete control of the House ,Senate and Presidency they would never have been able to pass this Health care bill.
They all voted against the majority of this nation for that bill.

 

[RosieS]

Yes socialism has meant the same thing in all of the dictionary's.
This is why I posted earlier as to why are a going to-wards socialism.
Any one who has a different point of view. Vilified.
There is a huge difference between actual being a libertarian and communist.
There is not that much difference between being a progressive and a socialist.
Both parties put up scary labels on things and many people automatically hate it and react to it.
I am against a big huge government that is now spending more than it takes in and refuses do what is right for the people.
Both parties are playing political games, because both want to stay in power.
You have labeled me wrong. I am far from incurious nor am I lazy.
You just hate my view points.
You are just like all lefty's, intolerant of anyone who does not accept your political view points.

I looked it up on the polls;
Public opinion of the health care law - CBS News
At the time of it's passage 55 percent were against it.

And why are you stuck there? Did you not see all the Huckabee ads all over the TV during the summers? If your poll still held would not have Huckabee prevailed?

Why are you reverting back to the time of passage and refusing to acknowledge the Huckabee truth I spell out for you?

Regards from Rosie

Gee I did not think that June of 2012 was all that far back.
The Dem's hold the Senate Rosie, they are not going to vote against their own bill.
If the Dem's had not had complete control of the House ,Senate and Presidency they would never have been able to pass this Health care bill.
They all voted against the majority of this nation for that bill.

Look....Obamacare was passed almost exactly 3 years ago. If there was a 55% majority against it then why haven't petition signers been able to force a vote on its repeal?

Why are you stuck on having a majority NOW that the Republicans obviously do not have? AND the fact that it is constitutional doesn't help trying to repeal it, either?

There just aren't the signatures nor the votes for repeal. Maybe in 2010 but this is 2012. Your side lost as to Obamacare and it is no longer true that the majority don't want it.

Repeating 2010 slogans helped you lose 2012....I hope you are able to deal with the truth sooner rather than later.

It is what is....so deal.

Regards from Rosie

 

[expatriate]

I know the definition of the words.
A top tier school? Our schools are failing in education.
I bet that your top tier school was extremely liberal.
I also have talked to immigrants and have friends who moved from Cuba during the Cuban missile crises.
They vote for Republicans because they understood what the Dem's are doing. They lived in a Socialist Government.
Many of their off spring vote now for the Dems because they never lived in Cuba.
They also do not believe their grandparents.

do you think annapolis and west point and colorado springs are "extremely liberal"? I sure don't.

so...talking to a handful of cuban immigrants removes the requirement for you to know what words actually mean? If you knew the definition of words, as you say you do, then you would know that saying that the fact that the government took control of ONE industry was far beyond socialism and was, in fact, pure communism, as you asserted, was totally ridiculous. You are a moron. That's abundantly clear.

 

[peach174]

Yes socialism has meant the same thing in all of the dictionary's.
This is why I posted earlier as to why are a going to-wards socialism.
Any one who has a different point of view. Vilified.
There is a huge difference between actual being a libertarian and communist.
There is not that much difference between being a progressive and a socialist.
Both parties put up scary labels on things and many people automatically hate it and react to it.
I am against a big huge government that is now spending more than it takes in and refuses do what is right for the people.
Both parties are playing political games, because both want to stay in power.
You have labeled me wrong. I am far from incurious nor am I lazy.
You just hate my view points.
You are just like all lefty's, intolerant of anyone who does not accept your political view points.

And why are you stuck there? Did you not see all the Huckabee ads all over the TV during the summers? If your poll still held would not have Huckabee prevailed?

Why are you reverting back to the time of passage and refusing to acknowledge the Huckabee truth I spell out for you?

Regards from Rosie

Gee I did not think that June of 2012 was all that far back.
The Dem's hold the Senate Rosie, they are not going to vote against their own bill.
If the Dem's had not had complete control of the House ,Senate and Presidency they would never have been able to pass this Health care bill.
They all voted against the majority of this nation for that bill.

Look....Obamacare was passed almost exactly 3 years ago. If there was a 55% majority against it then why haven't petition signers been able to force a vote on its repeal?

Why are you stuck on having a majority NOW that the Republicans obviously do not have? AND the fact that it is constitutional doesn't help trying to repeal it, either?

There just aren't the signatures nor the votes for repeal. Maybe in 2010 but this is 2012. Your side lost as to Obamacare and it is no longer true that the majority don't want it.

Repeating 2010 slogans helped you lose 2012....I hope you are able to deal with the truth sooner rather than later.

It is what is....so deal.

Regards from Rosie

I wasn't the one who brought up the health Care bill, you did.
I accepted the Health Care Bill as soon as President Obama was re- elected.It doesn't mean that I still do not like it. Mainly because it's going to cost to much and control us to much.
Yes it is still true that the majority do not want it.
Tuesday, November 06, 2012
Fifty percent (50%) of Likely U.S. Voters favor repeal of President Obama’s national health care law, while 44% are opposed to repeal,
We are talking about the government going toward socialsiam.

You know that Hucabee was not well liked by the party in 2008. He came in thrid while he was running in 2008. Maybe that's why it took him 2 summers. I dont' know. I sure as heck did not vote for him 2008 but I was still a registerd Dem in 2008. I changed to independent in 2011. There is no real representation for Conservative Dems. I fought for it for 20 years and just got sick of it. The Dems abandioned the Conservates of their party so the conservatives abandioned them. That came to about 800,000 of us.

 

[peach174]

I know the definition of the words.
A top tier school? Our schools are failing in education.
I bet that your top tier school was extremely liberal.
I also have talked to immigrants and have friends who moved from Cuba during the Cuban missile crises.
They vote for Republicans because they understood what the Dem's are doing. They lived in a Socialist Government.
Many of their off spring vote now for the Dems because they never lived in Cuba.
They also do not believe their grandparents.

do you think annapolis and west point and colorado springs are "extremely liberal"? I sure don't.

so...talking to a handful of cuban immigrants removes the requirement for you to know what words actually mean? If you knew the definition of words, as you say you do, then you would know that saying that the fact that the government took control of ONE industry was far beyond socialism and was, in fact, pure communism, as you asserted, was totally ridiculous. You are a moron. That's abundantly clear.

You need to re read what I said.
I never said that the government took control of one industry.
I said that they own stock in GM and that is partial ownership and that is socialism.
I said that 100% of owning stock by any government is Communism.

It wasn't me who said it. It was the Cubans who actually lived in Socialism.That is why they escaped.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Socialism?

The cult far right are chanting "socialism" again.

Give us a definition, show us exactly how the dems and the pubs are practicing socialism.

 

[Koios]

Was obama The Reason The LEFT Turned Into Full Blown Socialists?

No; Obama is the reason the Right turned into full-blown idiots.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Communist and libertarian: flip sides of the same coin.

Folks who want to prey on the masses.

 

[Koios]

Communist and libertarian: flip sides of the same coin.

Folks who want to prey on the masses.

Case in point.

 

[Lakhota]

Most NaziCons are too stupid to understand socialism and its various types.

Types of socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

How Socialists Built America | The Nation

 

[Article 15]

Give it up, I've been fruitlessly fighting the battle against the new right wing definitions to various clearly defined political systems for a long time. You can't even talk to these people if you can't settle on a common frame of reference.

New?
The only thing new is, we are not shutting up from the lefty verbal abuse, accusations and intolerance like we did in the 1970's.
Perfect example is occupied who just called me silly and stupid.
I bet he has never talked to any Cuban who fled from Cuba who recognize Socialism for what it really is.

I have. I lived in Miami for 30 years. What the second and third generatiion Cuban-Americans see is the first wave being paranoid and seeing commies under every bush.

These Cuban Americans who were born here understand that being American means choosing your politics rather than it being forced upon you.

They also fully understand that they can be liberal AND a good person AND successful.

Demonizing Democrats drove these young people away. They understand that the Bay of Pigs fiasco was two generations ago....and not even the worst commies are as strongly commie as they used to be.

IOW they have matured. More than can be said for many RWers here.

Regards from Rosie

^I am one of these Cuban Americans

 

[peach174]

Socialism?

The cult far right are chanting "socialism" again.

Give us a definition, show us exactly how the dems and the pubs are practicing socialism.

I did already.
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[RosieS]

New?
The only thing new is, we are not shutting up from the lefty verbal abuse, accusations and intolerance like we did in the 1970's.
Perfect example is occupied who just called me silly and stupid.
I bet he has never talked to any Cuban who fled from Cuba who recognize Socialism for what it really is.

I have. I lived in Miami for 30 years. What the second and third generatiion Cuban-Americans see is the first wave being paranoid and seeing commies under every bush.

These Cuban Americans who were born here understand that being American means choosing your politics rather than it being forced upon you.

They also fully understand that they can be liberal AND a good person AND successful.

Demonizing Democrats drove these young people away. They understand that the Bay of Pigs fiasco was two generations ago....and not even the worst commies are as strongly commie as they used to be.

IOW they have matured. More than can be said for many RWers here.

Regards from Rosie

^I am one of these Cuban Americans

¡Ay que bueno, amigo mio!

I'm not Hispanic but I pass for one.

Regards from Rosie

 

[Jarhead]

Yes socialism has meant the same thing in all of the dictionary's.
This is why I posted earlier as to why are a going to-wards socialism.
Any one who has a different point of view. Vilified.
There is a huge difference between actual being a libertarian and communist.
There is not that much difference between being a progressive and a socialist.
Both parties put up scary labels on things and many people automatically hate it and react to it.
I am against a big huge government that is now spending more than it takes in and refuses do what is right for the people.
Both parties are playing political games, because both want to stay in power.
You have labeled me wrong. I am far from incurious nor am I lazy.
You just hate my view points.
You are just like all lefty's, intolerant of anyone who does not accept your political view points.

And why are you stuck there? Did you not see all the Huckabee ads all over the TV during the summers? If your poll still held would not have Huckabee prevailed?

Why are you reverting back to the time of passage and refusing to acknowledge the Huckabee truth I spell out for you?

Regards from Rosie

Gee I did not think that June of 2012 was all that far back.
The Dem's hold the Senate Rosie, they are not going to vote against their own bill.
If the Dem's had not had complete control of the House ,Senate and Presidency they would never have been able to pass this Health care bill.
They all voted against the majority of this nation for that bill.

Look....Obamacare was passed almost exactly 3 years ago. If there was a 55% majority against it then why haven't petition signers been able to force a vote on its repeal?

Why are you stuck on having a majority NOW that the Republicans obviously do not have? AND the fact that it is constitutional doesn't help trying to repeal it, either?

There just aren't the signatures nor the votes for repeal. Maybe in 2010 but this is 2012. Your side lost as to Obamacare and it is no longer true that the majority don't want it.

Repeating 2010 slogans helped you lose 2012....I hope you are able to deal with the truth sooner rather than later.

It is what is....so deal.

Regards from Rosie

I fear all sides will be proven to have been losers as it pertains to the ACA. I may be wrong but I truly believe it will not only add to the debt, result in higher premiums but have an adverse effect on employment.

I hope I am wrong, but I have reason to believe I am right.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Socialism?

The cult far right are chanting "socialism" again.

Give us a definition, show us exactly how the dems and the pubs are practicing socialism.

Jake, shush! GO play with your Lego, the grownups are talking

 

[Jarhead]

Nope...these people are nutjobs who have no clue what they are talking about.

wrong.

He has iosisted on the right to increase the debt without approval/a vote from congress.

That, in itself, is insisting on controilling one of the major factors of our economy.

He has pushed through legislation that makes demands to business owners and insurance companies to do things they may not want to do...and that is controlling another MAJOR part of our economy.

He has invested our money in a failing company and has partial controlling power of an industry that he, himself, has called "the backbone" of our economy.

What is it that you are missing?

what is missing, of course, is the accuracy of your rant, but more importantly, even if if were true, it does not meet the definition of socialism. THe government does not own the health business. It does not employ doctors or own hospitals or insurance companies. It does not own any industry. It does not own the means of production or control. Farmers own their farms. They sell their product in the marketplace. Trucking firms - all privately owned - move the product that privately owned companies produce to all the markets in our country and around the world. Nothing socialist about that in the least. Socialism is, in reality, an all or nothing sort of proposition. You can't really be a "little bit" socialist, anymore than a woman can be a "little bit pregnant". Wall Street - as agents for the people - buys and sells ownership in every aspect of the american economy every day, and the people benefit from that market. Our economy is clearly capitalist, and that system is willingly perpetuated by both political parties... neither of which is socialist.

One of your problems is your reading comprehension skills.

I never said the government controlled the health industry. I said it has placed mandates on the insurance industry..... Think about it...the government passed a law telling a service industry what they MUST sell/offer...even if they dont want to.

SO what do we have? Government telling citizens FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER that they must purchase something....from the day they are born to the day they die, they MUST purchase an item....and at the same time, for the first time they are telling companies what they MUST sell....

It is scary shit...and I fear the beginning of something bad.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Socialism?

The cult far right are chanting "socialism" again.

Give us a definition, show us exactly how the dems and the pubs are practicing socialism.

I did already.
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You thought Jake read before commenting?

LOL

 

[NoTeaPartyPleez]

did I miss the moment where Obama or ANYONE in the democratic party called for government ownership and control of the means of production and control of our economy?

No, because it's only happened in the empty heads on this thread. Fear is a terrible thing, isn't it? A black man is in the White House and these white boys have wet their pants.