Voter ID: How about this?

[LoneLaugher]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

 

[M14 Shooter]

this is advocating BIG GOVERNMENT in the worst way.

Everyone who wants to vote has to register to vote.
Given that, how are the suggestions in the OP an argument for or an example if "big government"?
What specific oppositions do you have to the ideas mentioned there?

 

[boedicca]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Expansion. You expressed concern about "another reason to create a big database of our personal information".

Yes. Expanded. Images expand the database.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

We already require picture IDs for a variety of transactions we conduct on a daily basis. Occum's Razor: the simplest solution is just to provide a picture ID at the polling place to check that the individual showing up to vote matches the information in the voter roster.

Boe if they wanted too they can find out your favorite time of day....

 

[rightwinger]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Voting is a fundamental right in our society
If the government needs to spend some money...so be it

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats are against voter ID because they believe blacks are too stupid to figure out how to get one. They may have a point since blacks don't seem to be feeling the insult.

I am against voter ID because it becomes an easy path to disenfranchise voters. It becomes not just ID, but WHICH ID? Voting can be inhibited by requiring excessive paperwork and making it difficult to access ID locations

Show me 100% of voters with acceptable ID and I am OK with using it as a requirement

 

[Harry Dresden]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

ok....then how do all these people who want to vote,but dont have any id's, register to vote,to be eligible?...

 

[boedicca]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

We already require picture IDs for a variety of transactions we conduct on a daily basis. Occum's Razor: the simplest solution is just to provide a picture ID at the polling place to check that the individual showing up to vote matches the information in the voter roster.

Boe if they wanted too they can find out your favorite time of day....

Yes, if they want, they can abuse their power...but that doesn't mean I am going to condone it.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Citizens are required to provide proper ID when they first register to vote: state issued photo ID, birth certificate, etc – no one takes issue with that requirement.

But once lawfully registered to vote and as long as the citizen votes in every election and keeps his registration valid, the burden shifts solely to the state to produce the evidence that the voter is attempting to commit fraud by identity, and absent that evidence the state must respect the fundamental right to vote and allow the voter to cast his ballot based on his affirmation; and that must be an actual ballot counted immediately, not a provisional ballot.

 

[boedicca]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Voting is a fundamental right in our society
If the government needs to spend some money...so be it

Great! Then let them spend money providing photo IDs for people who can't afford them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

Correct.

Moreover, the issue concerns an undue burden to the fundamental right to vote, not the requirement to provide identification per se. States are at liberty to enact identification requirements provided they don't violate the undue burden standard. For example, it's perfectly appropriate and Constitutional to request from voters paycheck stubs, utility bills, or letters from government agencies to confirm identity and residence.

 

[rightwinger]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Voting is a fundamental right in our society
If the government needs to spend some money...so be it

Great! Then let them spend money providing photo IDs for people who can't afford them.

Works for me

Provide readily accessible locations to get IDs. Post offices, libraries, local school
For those having difficulty producing acceptable documentation, assign them a government advocate to help locate birth certificates or other required documentation
We don't want IDs to be a "gotcha....you can't vote" for valid citizens

 

[LoneLaugher]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

ok....then how do all these people who want to vote,but dont have any id's, register to vote,to be eligible?...

Phone bill. Utility bill. Other firms of ID. It isn't that complicated and since the reward for voter fraud isn't worth the risk........you don't have too many people thinking about it.

The idea that there is some organized effort on the part of liberals to get ineligible people to vote and...thereby steal elections....is bullshit of the highest order. This is where a guy like you should part ways with the other nutters here.

 

[Care4all]

this is advocating BIG GOVERNMENT in the worst way.

Everyone who wants to vote has to register to vote.
Given that, how are the suggestions in the OP an argument for or an example if "big government"?
What specific oppositions do you have to the ideas mentioned there?

First off, my State doesn't believe you should have to show ID on election day to vote, and you can register the same day as the election and I think it should stay just the way it is..... I don't believe it should be a requirement to have some sort of gvt issued photo id with a database on all of us, so we could vote at the polls after we have already registered to vote.

Once we have registered and signed the form's affidavit, then it is the gvt's job to vet us with the information we have sworn to on the registration form....they have an incredible amount of data bases already on us, where they can see if we are a citizen or not....

and ONLY if they have not been able to confirm us being citizens, should they require further information from us.

 

[boedicca]

I'm not very enthusiastic about giving the government another reason to create a big database of our personal information.

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Voting is a fundamental right in our society
If the government needs to spend some money...so be it

Great! Then let them spend money providing photo IDs for people who can't afford them.

Works for me

Provide readily accessible locations to get IDs. Post offices, libraries, local school
For those having difficulty producing acceptable documentation, assign them a government advocate to help locate birth certificates or other required documentation
We don't want IDs to be a "gotcha....you can't vote" for valid citizens

In CA, low income people can get a state photo ID for $8 through the DMV. If someone is too stupid to figure out how to apply for it, then said person is too stupid to function in society.

 

[Roadrunner]

Two options, neither necessarily to the exclusion of the other:

If you do not have or cannot afford (scoff) a state-issued picture ID....

1: Register to vote, get your picture taken. That picture goes into a database, similar to that of the BMV, if not the same one. When you show up to vote w/ your state issued photo ID. the poll workers go to the database, check you against the picture in the database, and then give you a ballot. If there is any question among the poll workers, you get a provisional ballot to be verified later.

2: Register to vote, get your thumbprint scanned. When you show up to vote w/o your state-issued picture ID,. you run your thumb over the scanner and given a green/red light to vote. A red light might be an error, so you cast a provisional ballot to be verified later.

This eliminates any cost to or burden on a low-income voter and therefore eliminates any argument regarding discrimination against same for political purposes.

What say ye?

I think we should eliminate early voting, require a notarized statement for absentee voting, and demand a photo ID.

If you aren't civic minded enough to get to the polls on election day, fuck you, you shouldn't be voting anyway.

 

[Roadrunner]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

It should not be national in nature.

The Constitution gives the power to conduct elections to the states.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The state already has the information in the voter registration - this only adds a picture - which almost all of have for our state ID, driver's license, carry permits -- or a fingerprint., which is more or less the same thing. There's little to no expansion in that regard here.

Little to no expense? From a government that spent $1Billion on a website that doesn't work?

Voting is a fundamental right in our society
If the government needs to spend some money...so be it

Great! Then let them spend money providing photo IDs for people who can't afford them.

Works for me

Provide readily accessible locations to get IDs. Post offices, libraries, local school
For those having difficulty producing acceptable documentation, assign them a government advocate to help locate birth certificates or other required documentation
We don't want IDs to be a "gotcha....you can't vote" for valid citizens

In CA, low income people can get a state photo ID for $8 through the DMV. If someone is too stupid to figure out how to apply for it, then said person is too stupid to function in society.

Given the level of voter apathy created by the conservative assault on education in this country.......8 bucks and the time needed to fish out documents ( provided they exist ) is enough for some potential voters to just say "fuck it!".

Only one of us thinks that is a good thing.

 

[boedicca]

Citizens are required to provide proper ID when they first register to vote: state issued photo ID, birth certificate, etc – no one takes issue with that requirement.

But once lawfully registered to vote and as long as the citizen votes in every election and keeps his registration valid, the burden shifts solely to the state to produce the evidence that the voter is attempting to commit fraud by identity, and absent that evidence the state must respect the fundamental right to vote and allow the voter to cast his ballot based on his affirmation; and that must be an actual ballot counted immediately, not a provisional ballot.

What nonsense.

What you are saying is that the government can require a person to show a photo ID to register to vote, but that requiring a photo ID at the polling place to make sure that said person's voter identity is not violated is wrong.

Do you Progs ever THINK?

 

[LoneLaugher]

The OP will be hard pressed to find any liberals who are opposed to free and readily available means of voter identification. Especially a straight-forward plan that is national in nature. We show ID to register. It isn't an unusual thing.

The opposition to the voter suppression laws that are making it through the legislatures of red states is that they prevent eligible voters from exercising their right to vote.

The idea that liberals somehow condone the act of voter fraud is bullshit of the highest order.

It should not be national in nature.

The Constitution gives the power to conduct elections to the states.

Yeah....that's cool.

Now what problem do you have with a national voter ID system?

I'm going to guess that you can't verbalize it.