Doctors Without Common Sense/Ebola Without Borders: Mandatory Quarantine Time.

[Silhouette]

A friend pointed out to me recently that the phrase "voluntary quarantine" is an oxymoron.

Voluntary quarantine's effectiveness vs mandatory quarantine:

The information...

While officials have said they expected isolated cases of the disease to arrive in New York eventually, and had been preparing for this moment for months, the first case highlighted the challenges involved in containing the virus, especially in a crowded metropolis. Dr. Spencer, 33, had traveled on the A and L subway lines Wednesday night, visited a bowling alley in Williamsburg, and then took a taxi back to Manhattan http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/24/n...-bellevue-hospital-in-new-york-city.html?_r=0

The disinformation in the same article...

People infected with Ebola cannot spread the disease until they begin to display symptoms, and it cannot be spread through the air. As people become sicker, the viral load in the body builds, and they become increasingly contagious.

Scenario: a person infected with ebola but who hasn't shown a fever yet, sits next to people on a crammed subway train. That person sneezes. Ebola can only be gotten from bodily fluids such as breastmilk, semen, urine, feces, sweat, blood, tears and mucus.

Ever see a slow motion video of a person sneezing? Here, have a look. Maybe ebola isn't airborn, but sneeze droplets ARE airborn. Maybe the infected but not yet symptomatic person is allergic to the gal's perfume sitting next to him?...



Sneeze droplets can spread out in a fan formation up to 30 feet away from the person who just sneezed. How many people would that reach in a subway train, bus or airline...market...cafe...[on their food]...bowling alley...sports stadium...congressional hall...cocktail party..school.. cruise liner....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Mandatory 3 week quarantine. If they want to leave sooner, they have to visit Obama personally

 

[Silhouette]

Mandatory 3 week quarantine. If they want to leave sooner, they have to visit Obama personally

Yeah, or anyone advocating that there not be a quarantine. They should put out a news release that any politician advocating for no quarantine must be one of the attendants to clean bedpans at the next ebola patient's isolation room.

That'll expose their hypocrisy in a jiffy.

 

[Silhouette]

They are already transfusing Doctor Spencer [doctor without common sense], "as he enters the next phase of his illness". That was quick. Even though the fact that he had 103 degree temperature on "day 1" [after running around town for days not feeling well] has been redacted to "100.3", this sudden worsening of his condition means he was quite sick when he came to the hospital and for days before that. If he was taking aspirin, a fever for those subway days etc. might have escaped his own attention, while he was clearly symptomatic running around in public. By his own admission. "Not feeling well".

Now he's rapidly worsening, unlike the nurse who got in early.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Seems sensible to me. Don't we do that very thing for animals already? Can't take an animal from CONUS to Hawaii without some time in quarantine for example. And we're probably not worrying about ebola in that case. If the concern is ebola 21 days doesn't sound unreasonable. And the arguement doctors inclined to go try and help ebola victims wont because that can't sweat it out for 3 weeks doesn't hold water. They're brave enough to expose themselves to ebola but can't handle 3 weeks of daytime tv...Well ok ya that I can kinda see...

 

[Silhouette]

Seems sensible to me....the arguement doctors inclined to go try and help ebola victims wont because that can't sweat it out for 3 weeks doesn't hold water. They're brave enough to expose themselves to ebola but can't handle 3 weeks of daytime tv...Well ok ya that I can kinda see...

Good point Delta.

Another good point is that if that doctor Spencer had been in mandatory quarantine, he would have not been allowed to get to the 103 degree fever before his treatment was started. Now he's up shit creek because the virus got ahead of his common sense...or lack thereof. His prognosis is poor getting in so late as he did.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Voted no to the way the question was phrased. Aren't we an affected country now?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Can't quarantine everyone from Texas, New York, and where ever else. To say nothing of however many come from the affected countries in Africa and elsewhere. And if you only quarantine Africans you're demonstrating pretty obvious racism.

Quarantine for medical workers and possibly infected sure. For everybody no, completely impractical to say nothing of logistically impsosible as that's an awful lot of people.

 

[Kondor3]

"Doctors Without Common Sense" - good banner - short, sweet, and to the point.

The idiot doctor in New York who came fresh off the plane from a hot zone and then hit the subways and bowling alleys, etc., ought to be prosecuted, harshly, in much the same vein as would a person who intentionally infects others with AIDS through sexual contact.

Cure the guy, then toss his ass in jail for a year or so - suspending his license to practice medicine while he's in jail - as a slap on the wrist, and as a warning and promise of harsher to come, for the next highly educated, dedicated, humane medical idiot who pulls that kind of shit.

 

[Silhouette]

Voted no to the way the question was phrased. Aren't we an affected country now?

Of course you did...idiot. Make your point in your posts...not the polls. You know what the question meant.

 

[Silhouette]

The idiot doctor in New York who came fresh off the plane from a hot zone and then hit the subways and bowling alleys, etc., ought to be prosecuted, harshly, in much the same vein as would a person who intentionally infects others with AIDS through sexual contact.

Cure the guy, then toss his ass in jail for a year or so - suspending his license to practice medicine while he's in jail - as a slap on the wrist, and as a warning and promise of harsher to come, for the next highly educated, dedicated, humane medical idiot who pulls that kind of shit.

Though as late as this doctor came in for treatment, a "cure" for him may not be the prognosis he faces. He may actually get "the death penalty" for his recklessness.

 

[Rozman]

Mandatory 3 week quarantine. If they want to leave sooner, they have to visit Obama personally

And get a hug!

 

[Silhouette]

Mandatory 3 week quarantine. If they want to leave sooner, they have to visit Obama personally

And get a hug!

And a kiss too. Don't forget, Obama kissed one of the patients on the cheek. You know, where things like tears and sweat have been. People also touch their faces with their hands a lot. Hope she didn't just use the bathroom and forget to wash her hands.

 

[Jarlaxle]

West Africa should have been quarantined long ago.

 

[ScienceRocks]

If we don't want this virus to spread....We had better isolate the fuck out of it.

 

[Silhouette]

Can't quarantine everyone from Texas, New York, and where ever else. To say nothing of however many come from the affected countries in Africa and elsewhere. And if you only quarantine Africans you're demonstrating pretty obvious racism.

Quarantine for medical workers and possibly infected sure. For everybody no, completely impractical to say nothing of logistically impsosible as that's an awful lot of people.

Bring the disease to everyone, everywhere, and then it will become "normal" so you don't have to act out in common sense? ...hmm....

I think I've seen this philosophy in a social sense in another arena you're advocating for..

 

[Silhouette]

Voted no to the way the question was phrased. Aren't we an affected country now?

If we don't enact a mandatory quarantine, yes, we will be an affected country and subject to being denied entry to other countries. It already happened with the cruise liner and Mexico refusing to allow them to dock.

 

[Syriusly]

Mandatory 3 week quarantine. If they want to leave sooner, they have to visit Obama personally

Yeah, or anyone advocating that there not be a quarantine. They should put out a news release that any politician advocating for no quarantine must be one of the attendants to clean bedpans at the next ebola patient's isolation room.

That'll expose their hypocrisy in a jiffy.

Because of course- we can't allow people to have opinions that are different than yours......

 

[Delta4Embassy]

If you're so fearful of little bugs, stay at home, close the windows, and crawl under your bed until it's over.

What you propose is a totalitarian dictatorship where sick people and corraled and euthanized to save the rest.

Sick people should be treated, not stigmatized. We're all gonna die some day, instead of fearing it, think about how you'd like to be treated in your final days.

 

[TooTall]

Voted no to the way the question was phrased. Aren't we an affected country now?

Of course you did...idiot. Make your point in your posts...not the polls. You know what the question meant.

I also voted NO because of the way the question was phrased. The quarantine in place for NY and NJ clearly stated that Health care workers returning to New York who've had contact with Ebola patients would serve a 21 day MANDATORY quarantine. That does NOT include ALL
incoming people from affected African countries as you asked in the poll.