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[Eugene]

I came to American forums to better understand the Americans and explain in Russia that people in the US are the same as us and that we can have a dialogue. But I was wrong.

I have seen no evidence on this thread that you are interested in dialogue with Americans, average or otherwise. Your portrayal of life in Russia is interesting and informative - but attempts at dialogue? nyet

The average American is not capable of dialogue. He blindly believes what he is told by the media. And with the faithful, the dispute is impossible. And while America is fanning the anti-Russian tantrum, such deeply religious Americans are Russia's direct enemies. So it happened that three years ago I came in search of understanding, but became an anti-American .

As you accuse Americans of not understanding Russians and succumbing to propaganda, I could say the same of your assessment of the average American, especially on an anonymous message board. This thread has 16,000 some odd views - America has a population of 300+ million. What do you know of the 'average' American?...do you know what he looks like?...where he lives?...what he does for a living?...beyond what you might 'read' on the internet?

Americans have always had an adversarial relationship with our government - it's in our dna - especially when the 'other' party is in charge. Thankfully we don't have presidents for life - which means that every four to eight years half the country is deeply unhappy politically. And trust for the press historically?...skeptical at best.

I know perfectly well that among Americans there are thinking people. Even the direct open enemies of Russia. And I respect such people. But such - very little and they do not affect the atmosphere as a whole.

Has it occurred to you that the 'anti-Russian tantrum' among the American people that you speak of is a product of your own government's propaganda machine? I think Putin is a thug and will always be a Soviet at heart, a view shared by your fellow countryman, Kasparov. Is Kasparov your enemy also? Putin knows that fostering the idea of a common enemy (The Americans) is a diversion and a unifier. That there are 'hackers', spies and trolls among both Russian and American operatives is a given - it has always been thus...and is no reflection on the average Russian, is it?

Millions of Americans enjoy, and recognize, the works of Tchaikovsky and Tolstoy...know what Faberge is famous for...know how awesome Baryshnikov looked in tights...and appreciate Kasparov's talent. Thousands of American girls were inspired by Olga Korbut. We are not your enemy - though it may bring you comfort to believe is to be so. Those few but loud who are anti-Russia are not a friend to either of us.

Criticism of a leader, or a government, is not an implied criticism of the people living under that government - we can separate the two. We've had long practice of open disagreement with leaders, and discussing politics is a time honored American pastime - I realize that you may be new at it.

You said it excellent!

I can explain such his behavior.
We here in Russia see all that huge wave of lies about Russia, sick hysteria about Russian threat... Pay attention on how our government is described and all their actions.
USA organized coup in Ukraine, initiated war which led to 50,000 dead but Russia is being claimed. After that Russia saved 2mln citizens of Crimea and arranged referendum - you call it annexation. If Russia didn’t come there Crimea would burn and more than 100,000 dead would be.
USA created ISIS, set nazi in power in Ukraine but Russia got under sanctions.
Olympic games in Sochi were organized nicely and impressively but western mass mefia were full of stupid lies about double toilets and wolves in hotels.
American and british sportsmen are those who use doping more than all other sportsmen in the world but Russia is shown as the main bad side in it.
In 2008 Georgia started war against Abkhasia and Russia stopped thst war which is proved by several official investigating commissions. But all western mass media and politics say it was Russia to attack Georgia.
Iraq, Lybia, Yugoslavia and many others were ruined by USA - nothing terrible. Shit happens.

And so on and on.

When we see all that injustice, when we see all Americans staying on that wrong positions in their points of view how can we think of you well?
Many Russians think you’re all evil.
But my position is that most of you are simply misinformed...brainwashed.

 

[SeaGal]

But my position is that most of you are simply misinformed...brainwashed.

I have to say - the feeling is mutual. But I would add, few here believe that the people of Russia are evil.

 

[8236]

I take it everyone has noticed user Balancer is a Russian/FSB troll.

Aha. I try to remind you about it every day!

(Btw Balancer, you need to seriously improve your English if you don't want to stand out like a sore thumb)

This question is not for me. I do not know much English at all and therefore I use Google Translate So all the claims to Google Now the KGB has become very ill with English-speaking agents of influence. Therefore, we have to influence you through electronic translation tools

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Lol, well thanks for reposting this. I know now which thread to come to if I want to find an FSB agent to pass on my condolences to the forever suffering Russian people.

I suppose it is not surprising to find so many Russians on this forum cause you must get very bored continually having to agree with each other about everything on your Russian web sites. Enjoy the freedom of speech here and keep up the propaganda. It entertains us.

What a stupid words!
Do you really believe FSB has nothing to do but sitting snd writing different bs in forums? And you believe it because some idiots in your mass media wrote that bs?

If you wouldn’t be so narrow minded you’d visit dome Russian forums and see whst a hot discussion we have there on different matters.

Actually we in Russia have much more freedom of speech than you do.

Your anger shows exactly what is wrong with you people. It was a joke.

 

[8236]

An honest question for you:
In the USA I can watch TV or go online and get a perspective (in English) on current events from fascists, conservatives, democracts, liberals, socialists, communists, anarchist, religious people etc, etc, and I can do that on sites/TV station based in 20 different countries. I can even watch RT (which I do).
Would you say that the people in Russia have access to such a wide range of sources (in Russian) to base their opinions on?

Let me answer as I live in Russia.
I can watch TV or go online and get perspective on current events from any political stream except terroristic like ISIS or nazist. From any religious confession or from any person with any sights on different problems.
And I can visit any web sites.
So I can definitely say that people in Russia have free access to a wide range of sources.
The only problem is not all of them are broadcasted in Russian. But you should understand that English is supposed to be international language and Russian - only at the territory of former USSR. So broadcasting in Russian is what TV-companies should do.
Anyway the one who wants to get information ftom abroad can easily get it.
We have web sites where huge number of articles of western mass media is translated into Russian for those who doesn’t understand english.

So your judgement is absolutely wrong.
You’re brainwashed with your propaganda about us.

Please don't be so harsh on me. I was only asking a question. Enjoy your exciting election...

 

[8236]

I do not understand why info about Russia is placed in ‘Asia’ part of this forum.
Yes, most of Russian territory is situated in Asia but the most of population lives in European part. Population makes culture and mentality not territory. Historically and culturally Russia is European country though it always looks to be a kind of opposition to west. It is only because if long lasting aggressive attitude of Britain to Russia. They have been afraid of us since Ivan IV (Groznyi, not Terrible as the translation is absolutely incorrect) while Britain dominates in ‘west’...EU and USA represent still the same British points.

Now you see it's post like that that could make some people scratch their heads and think "Lol, I wonder what propaganda department he works for". Even you in Vladivostok must know that Britain takes it orders from Washington, not the other way round.

Say Hi to the Pacific fleet

 

[Eugene]

But my position is that most of you are simply misinformed...brainwashed.

I have to say - the feeling is mutual. But I would add, few here believe that the people of Russia are evil.

“Evil” it was wrong word... I’d better say “evil supporters”.
As the true evil is those people who rule USA for more than century.

 

[Eugene]

An honest question for you:
In the USA I can watch TV or go online and get a perspective (in English) on current events from fascists, conservatives, democracts, liberals, socialists, communists, anarchist, religious people etc, etc, and I can do that on sites/TV station based in 20 different countries. I can even watch RT (which I do).
Would you say that the people in Russia have access to such a wide range of sources (in Russian) to base their opinions on?

Let me answer as I live in Russia.
I can watch TV or go online and get perspective on current events from any political stream except terroristic like ISIS or nazist. From any religious confession or from any person with any sights on different problems.
And I can visit any web sites.
So I can definitely say that people in Russia have free access to a wide range of sources.
The only problem is not all of them are broadcasted in Russian. But you should understand that English is supposed to be international language and Russian - only at the territory of former USSR. So broadcasting in Russian is what TV-companies should do.
Anyway the one who wants to get information ftom abroad can easily get it.
We have web sites where huge number of articles of western mass media is translated into Russian for those who doesn’t understand english.

So your judgement is absolutely wrong.
You’re brainwashed with your propaganda about us.

Please don't be so harsh on me. I was only asking a question. Enjoy your exciting election...

Why elections should be exciting? I am sure all those political shows are nonsense. Useless throwing out of money.
I am really glad there is no chance for surprise at this presidential election. And Russia will go on its moving forward and developing.

 

[8236]

An honest question for you:
In the USA I can watch TV or go online and get a perspective (in English) on current events from fascists, conservatives, democracts, liberals, socialists, communists, anarchist, religious people etc, etc, and I can do that on sites/TV station based in 20 different countries. I can even watch RT (which I do).
Would you say that the people in Russia have access to such a wide range of sources (in Russian) to base their opinions on?

Let me answer as I live in Russia.
I can watch TV or go online and get perspective on current events from any political stream except terroristic like ISIS or nazist. From any religious confession or from any person with any sights on different problems.
And I can visit any web sites.
So I can definitely say that people in Russia have free access to a wide range of sources.
The only problem is not all of them are broadcasted in Russian. But you should understand that English is supposed to be international language and Russian - only at the territory of former USSR. So broadcasting in Russian is what TV-companies should do.
Anyway the one who wants to get information ftom abroad can easily get it.
We have web sites where huge number of articles of western mass media is translated into Russian for those who doesn’t understand english.

So your judgement is absolutely wrong.
You’re brainwashed with your propaganda about us.

Please don't be so harsh on me. I was only asking a question. Enjoy your exciting election...

Why elections should be exciting? I am sure all those political shows are nonsense. Useless throwing out of money.
I am really glad there is no chance for surprise at this presidential election. And Russia will go on its moving forward and developing.

I was being sarcastic about the state of press freedom in Russia.

I'm sure you are right about Russia moving forward and developing. It's moving forward and developing ever more into a kleptocratic mafia state.

 

[Balancer]

Would you say that the people in Russia have access to such a wide range of sources (in Russian) to base their opinions on?

Of course. And about this I have written many times in the subject. Internet (with the absence of the Big Chinese Firewall), foreign news on television (EuroNews, BBC, France 24, Deutsche Welle and others) and 90% of all modern mass culture from the West (cinema, literature, educational programs, children's cartoons, all kinds of shows, almost everything is American or European)

In Russia they know about the West much more than in the West they know about Russia Your sources are usually all Western, not Russian. How much information do you read coming from Russian sources? It seems to me that near zero

 

[Balancer]

No thanks. Putin is what 5'5", maybe 5'7"? Poor little guy is suffering from napoleon syndrome.

 

[Balancer]

I have seen no evidence on this thread that you are interested in dialogue with Americans, average or otherwise. Your portrayal of life in Russia is interesting and informative - but attempts at dialogue? nyet

Dialogue is always a process of two participants. Alas, here in your message I do not see a dialogue. I see a set of next accusations. Do you want me to answer the charges? This, as my practice shows, is absolutely unproductive. If a person begins to blame stamps from the media, he is already incapable of dialogue.

Do you want to communicate productively? Let's talk without charges. Yes, given the harsh anti-Russian rhetoric in the West, it will not be easy for both sides. But it is possible. Another thing, I do not see such attempts yet. Therefore, I moved mainly from dialogue to monologue.

 

[Balancer]

So broadcasting in Russian is what TV-companies should do.

This applies only to the central terrestrial channels. Private channels, cable TV, satellite TV, Internet TV - they have a lot of and English-language sources. And these non-ether channels in Russia have about 70% penetration. That is, most Russians have in practice the opportunity to watch English sources.

I have at least a dozen channels on English TV True, it's useless because I studied German at school And that's why I prefer Internet for foreign news, where I can read technical texts, and I can translate technical texts Google Translate

 

[Balancer]

I have to say - the feeling is mutual. But I would add, few here believe that the people of Russia are evil.

This is an irrational attitude, developed by a dictatorship of tolerance. You can not blame all people directly, this is a mauvais!

In fact, I know that many Americans treat Russians well. Many even respect Putin. And the overwhelming majority of Americans generally do not care about the Russians.

But at the forum there are many such who simultaneously believe that:

- Russian people are good.
- Putin is a bloody tyrant.
- Russians in the majority vote for Putin, because Putin is deceiving the Russians.

So, this bunch does not work. Because to deceive on such a scale you can only very stupid or bad people So the assertors are contradicting themselves.

 

[Balancer]

I'm sure you are right about Russia moving forward and developing. It's moving forward and developing ever more into a kleptocratic mafia state.

Have you seen it yourself or heard about it in the Western media?

 

[Eugene]

So broadcasting in Russian is what TV-companies should do.

This applies only to the central terrestrial channels. Private channels, cable TV, satellite TV, Internet TV - they have a lot of and English-language sources. And these non-ether channels in Russia have about 70% penetration. That is, most Russians have in practice the opportunity to watch English sources.

I have at least a dozen channels on English TV True, it's useless because I studied German at school And that's why I prefer Internet for foreign news, where I can read technical texts, and I can translate technical texts Google Translate

You got me wrong.
Я имел ввиду, что отсутствие импортных каналов, вещающих на русском - недоработка именно этих ТВ-компаний, которые не озаботились русскоязычной версией своего канала.

 

[Eugene]

I'm sure you are right about Russia moving forward and developing. It's moving forward and developing ever more into a kleptocratic mafia state.

If you explain this your statement we can discuss and dispute using facts and proves.
But I greatly doubt you will. Such as you like to throw some cliche, indictments, repeat others’ words without even try to check their veracity.
And each time dispute to such as you starts I never hear even a word of honesty and objectivity.

 

[Balancer]

A bit of Russian drum-n-bass to you

 

[SeaGal]

I have seen no evidence on this thread that you are interested in dialogue with Americans, average or otherwise. Your portrayal of life in Russia is interesting and informative - but attempts at dialogue? nyet

Dialogue is always a process of two participants. Alas, here in your message I do not see a dialogue. I see a set of next accusations. Do you want me to answer the charges? This, as my practice shows, is absolutely unproductive. If a person begins to blame stamps from the media, he is already incapable of dialogue.

Do you want to communicate productively? Let's talk without charges. Yes, given the harsh anti-Russian rhetoric in the West, it will not be easy for both sides. But it is possible. Another thing, I do not see such attempts yet. Therefore, I moved mainly from dialogue to monologue.

Of course. Then again, declaring one to be 'anti-American' is always a good opening for meaningful dialogue, isn't it? Accusations?...harsh anti-Russian rhetoric? - please give examples of such on my part.

If anyone is making broad accusations against a nation of people, it is not me. There are other 'Voices of Russia' you know.

As to Putin - I respect him...as I also respect the tooth and claw of the wolf which enables him to do well what it is in his nature to do- does not mean I'd welcome one in my bed, or trust one with my children, so to speak.

I have no agenda, nothing to hide, am not an agent of the government - just a simple country grandmother who believes that open conversation can be polite even in disagreement....while also aware that there is a language barrier in which many meanings and nuances are lost in interpretation.

That said - I'll share my overall view of the people of Russia. Like most people, hard working, love of home and family, desire to enjoy life, hope that tomorrow is an even better day than today, and go about one's business without too much interference. Is that correct?

Now Putin - Russia experienced a time of turmoil, uncertainty, corruption and loss of national pride since the collapse of the USSR. Is that also correct? Putin brought a measure of security, a reduction of corruption, a renewal of Russian pride. Agreed?

He uses the West as a boogie man to solidify allegiance. If Russia experiences setbacks, or further hardship along the road to prosperity, it is the fault of the West, according to Putin. Is that not what he claims, is that not what you believe? (This assessment I don't expect you to agree with.)

Putin is your wolf, not mine - and I fail to see the sheep beneath the fur. In the meantime, I enjoy seeing the pictures and reading the commentary on your life in Russia.

 

[evenflow1969]

People in Moscow continue to wait in line to start selling iPhone X

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Getting that Iphone is not progress. Before you know it they will be so addicted to it they will not be able to put it down. Next thing you know no one will look ytou in the eye. There will be no one to play cards or chess with all they will do is left swipe and right swipe. People will text each other sitting in the same room instead of talking. People will get significantly more rude. If you remember how life was befre the fucking iphone you may not be happy to have them around. Oh ya, and idiots will all of a sudden think they are smart because they can google every thing at any given time! They are in fact lunatics in training in that line!

 

[Eugene]

People in Moscow continue to wait in line to start selling iPhone X

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Getting that Iphone is not progress. Before you know it they will be so addicted to it they will not be able to put it down. Next thing you know no one will look ytou in the eye. There will be no one to play cards or chess with all they will do is left swipe and right swipe. People will text each other sitting in the same room instead of talking. People will get significantly more rude. If you remember how life was befre the fucking iphone you may not be happy to have them around. Oh ya, and idiots will all of a sudden think they are smart because they can google every thing at any given time! They are in fact lunatics in training in that line!

The problem you mentioned exists for a pretty long time. It is well familiar here in Russia as well as all over the world.
Fortunately more and more people realize it and start living in more correct way.
At least parents began limiting their children in using tabs.