VFW Now Wants An Apology From trump

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I suspect he simply repeated what the commanders in the field told him.

I suspect it wasn't really important to him. His original initial statements to minimize what he may or may not have been aware of and hour after the attack were right. Not speaking or tweeting much until the next morning, right on. First statement of 11 being sent for evaluation, OK. After that it became bullsh%t. If he cared, he would have known everybody else was going to care, got out ahead of information before it came out in the news, from people mostly in foreign countries. Continuing the charade in silence or minimizing known cases classified as Traumatic Brain Injury is just another shameless Trump lie. If he were half a man he would stand and deliver apology for his senseless remarks. Those guys went there for all of us. They are not asking for or expecting any apologies. Their injuries in that one attack were because of action HE personally took (that I happen to support) and as commander and issuer of the orders to the chain of command, he is responsible for. To minimize known injury, is disrespect to those under his command, serving in harms way at his command. The Veterans of Foreign Wars organization is correct.

He gave out the information he had. The situation was and continues to be fluid.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Everyone in military loves Trump.

Except maybe the few woke people they employed because SJW complained. Never listen to complaining leftists, fire them and get on with the job.

Are you sure about that? Today`s military doesn`t look like the military we see in John Wayne movies. It`s no longer a bunch of white guys. The GOP has trashed John Kerry, John McCain and now purple Heart recipient Vindman. They showed their love for the military when they re-elected Gomer Bush after knowing he lied soldiers to their deaths in Iraq. Do today`s soldiers endorse spitting on our POWs?

Yes, I am sure...

Then you would be wrong. At least not the majority of the military approve of trump.

According to the Military Times only 42% of the military approve of trump.

Do you like being wrong all the time?

Poll: Trump Approval in Military Lowest Since 2016

There you go with polls again!

You don't realize that you are being fucked with? I answered a poll question a while back where I voiced my overwhelming support for Pelosi's impeachment efforts. I did it just to screw up the numbers. The only thing I support about Pelosi is that she enjoys where retirement starting in January 2021.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What should he apologize for?

It was Trump's job to make sure he gave us the correct information and what he said trivializes the injuries our soldiers received.

He's not a Dr.
Maybe the military should make sure they're passing on valid information?

If you inadvertently rely on misinformation, you apologize. Then you fix that situation so that you get better intel the next time.

So Trump should throw the military under the bus?

How does Trump accepting the blame, whether deservedly or not, throw the military under the bus? How would a little conference with military leaders stressing the need to fully evaluate a situation before making any statements throw the military under the bus?

Little conference?

I have enough problems getting the same response out of the 18 people who work for me and more than 3/4 ths of them are ex-military.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Like Obama apologized for lying about 4 Americans deaths?

I set the bar higher for Trump, but if you want Trump to be the caliber of Obama, then that's on you. In my thinking, a leader steps up and apologizes even if his intel was bad. Those people who fed him the intel are still Trump's men.

Look, if you go to MickedDs and they screw up your sandwich, it's usually the manager that comes out and apologizes because the workers screwed up.

Thats a weak analogy.
So how many workers are under a manager at MickyD's on a given shift?
6, maybe 8?
How many under Trump....I wont even hazard a guess but you get the idea.
It's kinda hard to micro manage hundreds of thousands of people,possibly millions.

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

He's not a Dr.
Maybe the military should make sure they're passing on valid information?

If you inadvertently rely on misinformation, you apologize. Then you fix that situation so that you get better intel the next time.

So Trump should throw the military under the bus?

How does Trump accepting the blame, whether deservedly or not, throw the military under the bus? How would a little conference with military leaders stressing the need to fully evaluate a situation before making any statements throw the military under the bus?

So Trump is supposed to accept the blame when it's the brass that are the morons?
Or should he say he was misinformed by the brass?

I'd say both. Apologize for what happens and promise to look into the communications breakdown to see if we can prevent it from happening in the future.

I could see that.
But I sure dont want him to take the blame for something he had no control over.
And I'd drag those responsible for giving bad info into the White House and demand an explanation as to how it happened.
And the answer better be good or he should shit can em.

 

[White 6]

I set the bar higher for Trump, but if you want Trump to be the caliber of Obama, then that's on you. In my thinking, a leader steps up and apologizes even if his intel was bad. Those people who fed him the intel are still Trump's men.

Look, if you go to MickedDs and they screw up your sandwich, it's usually the manager that comes out and apologizes because the workers screwed up.

Thats a weak analogy.
So how many workers are under a manager at MickyD's on a given shift?
6, maybe 8?
How many under Trump....I wont even hazard a guess but you get the idea.
It's kinda hard to micro manage hundreds of thousands of people,possibly millions.

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

He is The President of The United States. Unlikely he got wrong information. More likely just doubled down again, even after it got out the information he put out was not as accurate as it needed to be. Getting it wrong, not a problem. Comments continuing to minimize for unknown reasons after the information was already out is just his pride over repect for his troops. Veterans by in large part have and many do support Donald Trump, such as:
VFW Reacts to President Trump’s Budget Proposal for 2018
VFW applauds White House commitment to military and veterans, but says “more work lies ahead.”
Some veterans were already not thrilled with choosing to pull back our troops when asked by Turkey and Russia and allow Turkey to attack the Kurds that had supported us, outside of Turkey's border. Yet, I believe many are ardent Trump supporters, still. VFW is not playing politics. They just feel the president disrespected his troops in this incident. He should make announcement clarifying and smooth it over. Doubling down is not always the correct answer. Sometimes it has costs, exceeding corrective actions. I agree with the VFW.

 

[whitehall]

Something ain't right about this situation. Couldn't the VFW leadership deal with the Trump administration without trying to embarrass the President? Did the VFW leadership consult with the democrat party before the controversy erupted? I let my membership in the VFW lapse and I don't plan to renew it at this state of the game.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thats a weak analogy.
So how many workers are under a manager at MickyD's on a given shift?
6, maybe 8?
How many under Trump....I wont even hazard a guess but you get the idea.
It's kinda hard to micro manage hundreds of thousands of people,possibly millions.

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

He is The President of The United States. Unlikely he got wrong information. More likely just doubled down again, even after it got out the information he put out was not as accurate as it needed to be. Getting it wrong, not a problem. Comments continuing to minimize for unknown reasons after the information was already out is just his pride over repect for his troops. Veterans by in large part have and many do support Donald Trump, such as:
VFW Reacts to President Trump’s Budget Proposal for 2018
VFW applauds White House commitment to military and veterans, but says “more work lies ahead.”
Some veterans were already not thrilled with choosing to pull back our troops when asked by Turkey and Russia and allow Turkey to attack the Kurds that had supported us, outside of Turkey's border. Yet, I believe many are ardent Trump supporters, still. VFW is not playing politics. They just feel the president disrespected his troops in this incident. He should make announcement clarifying and smooth it over. Doubling down is not always the correct answer. Sometimes it has costs, exceeding corrective actions. I agree with the VFW.

You sound like all dems these days.....
Maybe,coulda,mighta,could have......

 

[Eric Arthur Blair]

It was Trump's job to make sure he gave us the correct information and what he said trivializes the injuries our soldiers received.

If Trump was just relaying information from a trusted reliable source then he's hardly at fault though it gives leftists a tingle up their girly legs to catch the president in an error.

 

[eddiew]

I don't blame them. trump constantly shows such disrespect and contempt for our military.

A traumatic brain injury isn't a headache. It's a serious injury and our military deserve much better than what they're getting from trump.

VFW seeks Trump apology for downplaying injuries from Iranian missile strike

an apology from a brain injured pos like trump??I don't think so

 

[White 6]

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

He is The President of The United States. Unlikely he got wrong information. More likely just doubled down again, even after it got out the information he put out was not as accurate as it needed to be. Getting it wrong, not a problem. Comments continuing to minimize for unknown reasons after the information was already out is just his pride over repect for his troops. Veterans by in large part have and many do support Donald Trump, such as:
VFW Reacts to President Trump’s Budget Proposal for 2018
VFW applauds White House commitment to military and veterans, but says “more work lies ahead.”
Some veterans were already not thrilled with choosing to pull back our troops when asked by Turkey and Russia and allow Turkey to attack the Kurds that had supported us, outside of Turkey's border. Yet, I believe many are ardent Trump supporters, still. VFW is not playing politics. They just feel the president disrespected his troops in this incident. He should make announcement clarifying and smooth it over. Doubling down is not always the correct answer. Sometimes it has costs, exceeding corrective actions. I agree with the VFW.

You sound like all dems these days.....
Maybe,coulda,mighta,could have......

I guess that goes for independents too? Not sure which part you disagree with, unless it was the "more likely [he] just doubled down". That is his nature. You got my point, just fine.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I suspect he simply repeated what the commanders in the field told him.

He should still offer an apology, promise to look into the breakdown in communications, and act like HE is the Commander in Chief and says the buck stops here.

The buck has never stopped at Trump. He is not that kind of a man.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Don't you love the predictable defend Trump at all costs Caucus?

Predictable as the criticize Trump at all cost caucus are.

When you criticize at all cost, you just come off looking partisan.

When you defend at all costs....at some point, you sell your soul.

defending at all costs is also partisan....

 

[Harry Dresden]

I suspect he simply repeated what the commanders in the field told him.

He should still offer an apology, promise to look into the breakdown in communications, and act like HE is the Commander in Chief and says the buck stops here.

Like Obama apologized for lying about 4 Americans deaths?

I set the bar higher for Trump, but if you want Trump to be the caliber of Obama, then that's on you. In my thinking, a leader steps up and apologizes even if his intel was bad. Those people who fed him the intel are still Trump's men.

Look, if you go to MickedDs and they screw up your sandwich, it's usually the manager that comes out and apologizes because the workers screwed up.

what if the manager aint there?....just asking...

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I set the bar higher for Trump, but if you want Trump to be the caliber of Obama, then that's on you. In my thinking, a leader steps up and apologizes even if his intel was bad. Those people who fed him the intel are still Trump's men.

Look, if you go to MickedDs and they screw up your sandwich, it's usually the manager that comes out and apologizes because the workers screwed up.

Thats a weak analogy.
So how many workers are under a manager at MickyD's on a given shift?
6, maybe 8?
How many under Trump....I wont even hazard a guess but you get the idea.
It's kinda hard to micro manage hundreds of thousands of people,possibly millions.

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

That's Trump's problem

 

[Rambunctious]

I guess he could have gone the other way and upgraded the injuries to life threatening and gone to war over it....is that what libs want?.....Trump handled it perfectly....Concussions are temporary injuries and curable with time...Damn libtard war mongers....agreeing with the pro war swamp...

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I suspect he simply repeated what the commanders in the field told him.

He should still offer an apology, promise to look into the breakdown in communications, and act like HE is the Commander in Chief and says the buck stops here.

The buck has never stopped at Trump. He is not that kind of a man.

My point: he should start

 

[Porter Rockwell]

I suspect he simply repeated what the commanders in the field told him.

He should still offer an apology, promise to look into the breakdown in communications, and act like HE is the Commander in Chief and says the buck stops here.

Like Obama apologized for lying about 4 Americans deaths?

I set the bar higher for Trump, but if you want Trump to be the caliber of Obama, then that's on you. In my thinking, a leader steps up and apologizes even if his intel was bad. Those people who fed him the intel are still Trump's men.

Look, if you go to MickedDs and they screw up your sandwich, it's usually the manager that comes out and apologizes because the workers screwed up.

what if the manager aint there?....just asking...

That happened to me a few times, so I call back the next day during business hours. At some point you find someone accountable.

As the leader, Trump takes the hit. In a private meeting, Trump should be inquiring why the chain of command made him look like he was incompetent and uncaring and then being forced to take the hit in order to demonstrate his willingness to be held accountable.

Find the really incompetent or political games player and put them on the road.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Thats a weak analogy.
So how many workers are under a manager at MickyD's on a given shift?
6, maybe 8?
How many under Trump....I wont even hazard a guess but you get the idea.
It's kinda hard to micro manage hundreds of thousands of people,possibly millions.

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

That's Trump's problem

So fire all the top brass that barry appointed.

 

[Porter Rockwell]

You missed the point. Some people felt snubbed. Right or wrong, the leader stands up, apologizes and then promises that he did not know those men / women were injured as badly as they were. Then he can assure everyone that he will make sure those injured are taken care of.

I see your point but that essentially throws the military brass under the bus.
If they were appointed by barry during the purge I wouldnt have any qualms about that but it would still seem petty to do so in the public eye.
The brass put Trump in a no win situation.
If I were Trump I'd quietly shit can those who gave me the erroneous info unless they had a damn good explanation as to why they were so wrong.

I'd do the same thing. But, the entire matter would be handled in private with no notice to the media and no public statements since those reports involve intel for national security, which outweighs the media's privilege of getting a new headline.

How'd the media find out?

That's Trump's problem

So fire all the top brass that barry appointed.

If they are responsible, fire them and if they did it intentionally, demand legal action be taken against them