Van Jones a 911 truther

[L.K.Eder]

oh my, the SPD called communist by some guilt of association links, and therefore calling the current government of germany communist. marx was not happy with the gotha program, so the chain of guilt by association broke in 1875.

don't lecture people on german parties and communism.

Only a communist would say such things...

fuck, you nailed me.

 

[eagleseven]

[Now, Van Jones is in charge of creating "green" government jobs...a socialist's wet dream.

Now run away from the facts, as you always do.

I thought he was a communist? But it doesn't matter what he believed when he was young, people grow up, it is what he does now that matters and in the limelight of today I doubt you paranoid wackos have much to worry about.

Van Jones was 26 when he was with STORM, and was 36 when he signed the 9/11 truth petition. He was no child, and had LONG since graduated college. The "I was young and stupid" card won't work this time.

Communism isn't a virus, it is an ideology that doesn't fit into our political system no matter how many times you wingnuts use it as a stick.

Socialism, and all of its variants, was spread throughout the world by KGB activities for almost a century. You are so quick to condemn our own CIA's involvement in other countries, but remain willfully ignorant of the overwhelming influence of the KGB?

Thankfully, the KGB is no more, but the world is still recovering from nearly a century of their influence. Despite the dramatic fall of the USSR, faith in socialism as an economic system hasn't been stronger since FDR.

Or, as Newsweek put it...

Name calling and labeling is all you do and that too is why your party failed when it had power.

My Party, the Libertarians, had power? Are we living in the same dimension?

 

[veritas]

 

[oreo]

Obviously this administration aka Obama knew who this guy was before he appointed him the green Czar. How much proof do you all need--before you realise that everything Rev. Wright said--Barack Obama believed.

 

[eagleseven]

oh my, the SPD called communist by some guilt of association links, and therefore calling the current government of germany communist. marx was not happy with the gotha program, so the chain of guilt by association broke in 1875.

don't lecture people on german parties and communism.

Communism is simply a radicalized form of socialism, and you know it. Enough with your semantic games.

What percentage of GDP must government spending be at for you to say it is socialist?
50%?
60%?
70%?
80%?
90%?
99%?

Or is socialism now extinct, replaced with enlightened "social justice"? And we wonder why Americans have no idea what is happening in their country?

 

[Zoom-boing]

Obviously this administration aka Obama knew who this guy was before he appointed him the green Czar. How much proof do you all need--before you realise that everything Rev. Wright said--Barack Obama believed.

Of course he did. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's long-time friend and senior adviser and assistant to the President for intergovernmental affairs and public engagement, knew full well all the facts on Jones. Obama will never be left out of the loop.

Read more: Meet Obama's keeper: Valerie Jarrett - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

 

[eots]

The 911 truth site is currently being crushed
Video coming soon
This guy has to go as does the entire Obama cabal

911 truth has nothing to do with whats wrong with this mans socialist new world order agenda..it is a total straw man

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obviously this administration aka Obama knew who this guy was before he appointed him the green Czar. How much proof do you all need--before you realise that everything Rev. Wright said--Barack Obama believed.

Of course he did. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's long-time friend and senior adviser and assistant to the President for intergovernmental affairs and public engagement, knew full well all the facts on Jones. Obama will never be left out of the loop.

Read more: Meet Obama's keeper: Valerie Jarrett - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

Valerie Jarett? You mean "Candidate #1" for Obama Senate Seat as described in the Blagovoich tapes? She amazingly left the day before teh indictments were announced and Fitzy ended his Fitzvestigation

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

The 911 truth site is currently being crushed
Video coming soon
This guy has to go as does the entire Obama cabal

911 truth has nothing to do with whats wrong with this mans socialist new world order agenda..it is a total straw man

Its the cherry on top of the cake.Troofers are not qualified to do anything,
other then sit oin the corner and drool

 

[eots]

Its the cherry on top of the cake.Troofers are not qualified to do anything,
other then sit oin the corner and drool

Edward L. Peck – Deputy Director of the White House Task Force on Terrorism under President Ronald Reagan. Former Deputy Coordinator, Covert Intelligence Programs at the State Department. U.S. Ambassador and Chief of Mission to Iraq (1977 - 1980). 32-year veteran of the Foreign Service.

Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Bio: Edward Peck - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia






Morton Goulder

Morton Goulder (1921 - 2008) – Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense for Intelligence and Warning under Presidents Nixon, Ford, and Carter (1973 - 1977). Served as Lt. Commander in the U.S. Navy. Founder of Sanders Associates.




Signatory: Petition requesting a reinvestigation of 9/11:
"We want truthful answers to question. … As Americans of conscience, we ask for four things:
An immediate investigation by New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer
Immediate investigation in Congressional Hearings.
Media attention to scrutinize and investigate the evidence.
The formation of a truly independent citizens-based inquiry." http://www.911truth.org/article



Dwain Deets, MS Physics, MS Eng – Former Director, Aerospace Projects, NASA Dryden Flight Research Center. Before this appointment, he served as Director, Research Engineering Division at Dryden. Recipient of the NASA Exceptional Service Award and the Presidential Meritorious Rank Award in the Senior Executive Service (1988). Selected presenter of the Wright Brothers Lectureship in Aeronautics, a distinguished speaking engagement sponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) (1986). Included in "Who's Who in Science and Engineering" 1993 - 2000. Former Chairman of the Aerospace Control and Guidance Systems Committee of the Society of Automotive Engineers. Former Member, AIAA Committee on Society and Aerospace Technology. 37 year NASA career.
Statement in support of Architects and Engineers petition:


"The many visual images (massive structural members being hurled horizontally, huge pyroclastic clouds, etc.) leave no doubt in my mind explosives were involved [in the destruction of the World Trade Center]." AE911Truth




Capt. Daniel Davis, U.S. Army – Former U.S. Army Air Defense Officer and NORAD Tac Director. Decorated with the Bronze Star and the Soldiers Medal for bravery under fire and the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in Viet Nam. Also served in the Army Air Defense Command as Nike Missile Battery Control Officer for the Chicago-Milwaukee Defense Area. Founder and former CEO of Turbine Technology Services Corp., a turbine (jet engine) services and maintenance company (15 years). Former Senior Manager at General Electric Turbine (jet) Engine Division (15 years). Private pilot.

Statement to this website 3/23/07: "As a former General Electric Turbine engineering specialist and manager and then CEO of a turbine engineering company, I can guarantee that none of the high tech, high temperature alloy engines on any of the four planes that crashed on 9/11 would be completely destroyed, burned, shattered or melted in any crash or fire. Wrecked, yes, but not destroyed. Where are all of those engines, particularly at the Pentagon? If jet powered aircraft crashed on 9/11, those engines, plus wings and tail assembly, would be there.

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

Finally, going over the hill and highway and crashing into the Pentagon right at the wall/ground interface is nearly impossible for even a small slow single engine airplane and no way for a 757. Maybe the best pilot in the world could accomplish that but not these unskilled "terrorists".

Attempts to obscure facts by calling them a "Conspiracy Theory" does not change the truth. It seems, "Something is rotten in the State."


Major General Albert Stubblebine, U.S. Army (ret) – Former Commanding General of U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Command, 1981 - 1984. Also commanded the U.S. Army’s Electronic Research and Development Command and the U.S. Army’s Intelligence School and Center. Former head of Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence. 32-year Army career.

Member, Military Intelligence Hall of Fame.
Video interview 6/28/09:

General Stubblebine: I am Major General Albert Stubblebine. I am retired Army Major-General. In my last assignment -- my last command -- I was responsible for all of the Army's strategic intelligence forces around the world. I had responsibility for the Signals Intelligence, Photo Intelligence, Counter Intelligence, Human Intelligence. They all belonged to me, in my last assignment. …

I was supposed to find out what the enemy was doing, before the enemy did it so that we could take action against the enemy. That's Intelligence, OK, before the fact. So, we always -- always -- rely not on a single piece of data, before we make a statement, but on multiple and the more pieces of data that you have that correlate, the better you know exactly what is going on. …

So I have had a lot of experience looking at photographs. I have looked at many, many different kinds of photographs, from many, many different platforms on many, many different countries, around the world.

Interviewer: OK. So on September the 11th, in 2001, what hit the Pentagon?

General Stubblebine: I don't know exactly what hit it, but I do know, from the photographs that I have analyzed and looked at very, very carefully, it was not an airplane.

Interviewer: What made you believe that?

General Stubblebine: Well, for one thing, if you look at the hole that was made in the Pentagon, the nose penetrated far enough so that there should have been wing marks on the walls of the Pentagon. I have been unable to find those wing marks. So where were they? Did this vessel -- vehicle, or whatever it was -- have wings? Apparently not, because if it had had wings, they would have made marks on the side of the Pentagon.

One person counteracted my theory, and said, "Oh, you've got it all wrong. And the reason that it's wrong is that as the airplane came across, one wing tipped down and hit the ground and broke off." I said, "Fine, that's possible, one wing could have broken off." But if I understand airplanes correctly, most airplanes have two wings. I haven't met an airplane with only one wing. So where was the mark for the second wing? OK, one broke off -- there should have been a mark for the second wing. I could not find that in any of the photographs that I've analyzed. Now I've been very careful to not say what went in there. Why? Because you don't have that evidence. …

I did -- I've never believed that it was an airplane since I've looked at the photographs. Up until the time I looked at the photographs, I accepted what was being said. After I looked at it -- NO WAY! …

We pride ourselves with the "free press." I do not believe the "free press" is free any more. It's very expensive. It's very expensive. And the press is saying what they have been told to say about this.

Now, do I have proof of that? No. But I believe that what is being -- what certainly the -- the stories that were told -- all about 9/11 were false. I mean, you take a look at the buildings falling down. They didn't fall down because airplanes hit them. They fell down because of explosives went off inside. Demolition. Look at Building 7, for God's sake. It didn't fall down to its side. It didn't fall to this direction or that direction; just like the two Towers. …

When you look at the temperatures that you can create with fuel in a gas tank or a fuel tank of an airplane, and then you investigate the amount of heat that would be required to melt -- to melt -- the superstructure of the buildings that came tumbling down, when you put all of that together, the one thing that shows; It does not match the facts. What is it they do not want the public to know? [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daNr_TrBw6E]YouTube - General of all American Intelligence: 911 was a fraud![/ame]


Video documentary One Nation Under Siege 7/11/06: "One of my experiences in the Army was being in charge of the Army’s Imagery Interpretation for Scientific and Technical Intelligence during the Cold War. I measured pieces of Soviet equipment from photographs. It was my job. I look at the hole in the Pentagon and I look at the size of an airplane that was supposed to have hit the Pentagon. And I said, ‘The plane does not fit in that hole’. So what did hit the Pentagon? What hit it? Where is it? What's going on?" One Nation Under Siege - A William Lewis Film

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

 

[pete]

[Now, Van Jones is in charge of creating "green" government jobs...a socialist's wet dream.

Now run away from the facts, as you always do.

I thought he was a communist? But it doesn't matter what he believed when he was young, people grow up, it is what he does now that matters and in the limelight of today I doubt you paranoid wackos have much to worry about. Communism isn't a virus, it is an ideology that doesn't fit into our political system no matter how many times you wingnuts use it as a stick. Name calling and labeling is all you do and that too is why your party failed when it had power.

CHANGE remember ... lol

 

[veritas]

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!

exactly.

 

[midcan5]

While a bit off topic, this thread is getting into the truther movement. This is one area I completely disagree with as I think it wastes energy. The 911 commission report was detailed enough. Why did we fail to notice - simple, everyone was asleep at the wheel.

Why did the bridge out west collapse? Isn't every minute detail of events given in bright lights? Why is service so poor in this country today - even the outsourcing sucks? What can't I not order something and not get the wrong part? or partially wrong? It defies the imagination to think 911 was an inside job as the past administration did nothing else very competently. This was their shining moment - truly doubtful.

I'm not defending this man's right to sign on to this conspiratorial nonsense - I don't know his motivation - I think it is a waste of time. Let's see how he does in the job, none of you wingnuts questioned the dipshits Bush placed in power. Consider the fiasco that Iraq was under Bremer for instance.

911 WTC collapse

Latest Findings from NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released (April 5, 2005)
Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

 

[L.K.Eder]

oh my, the SPD called communist by some guilt of association links, and therefore calling the current government of germany communist. marx was not happy with the gotha program, so the chain of guilt by association broke in 1875.

don't lecture people on german parties and communism.

Communism is simply a radicalized form of socialism, and you know it. Enough with your semantic games.

What percentage of GDP must government spending be at for you to say it is socialist?
50%?
60%?
70%?
80%?
90%?
99%?

Or is socialism now extinct, replaced with enlightened "social justice"? And we wonder why Americans have no idea what is happening in their country?

my semantic games?

 

[Toro]

oh my, the SPD called communist by some guilt of association links, and therefore calling the current government of germany communist. marx was not happy with the gotha program, so the chain of guilt by association broke in 1875.

don't lecture people on german parties and communism.

Communism is simply a radicalized form of socialism, and you know it. Enough with your semantic games.

What percentage of GDP must government spending be at for you to say it is socialist?
50%?
60%?
70%?
80%?
90%?
99%?

Or is socialism now extinct, replaced with enlightened "social justice"? And we wonder why Americans have no idea what is happening in their country?

The far Left made the same argument as Bush as a fascist. What percentage of the Bush administration made it fascist? After all, there were secret trials, spying on civilians, restrictions of civil liberties, torture, detention without due process, corporations taking over functions of governments, increased secrecy of government, smothering nationalism, questioning the motives of those who opposed the government as unpatriotic, etc., etc. If you are going to be logically consistent, you must conclude that the Republicans and Bush were fascists. If that sounds stupid to you, yes it is, and it sounds just the same yelling "communist."

The far Right does not help its cause by screaming "communism." It is extremism that turns off everybody else. Its like the Left calling the GOP "fascists," and it does the Right's cause no good other than to display their ignorance of socio-political systems.

The simple fact is that all of the developed countries in the world have mixed economies whereby private property and the rule of law are the foundation of society, and the market is the primary system of resource allocation, with the government becoming involved based on societal prerogatives. The only difference in each country is to what degree.

In our economy, the pricing system is the primary allocator of who gets what. That is hardly communism.

 

[eagleseven]

The far Left made the same argument as Bush as a fascist. What percentage of the Bush administration made it fascist? After all, there were secret trials, spying on civilians, restrictions of civil liberties, torture, detention without due process, corporations taking over functions of governments, increased secrecy of government, smothering nationalism, questioning the motives of those who opposed the government as unpatriotic, etc., etc. If you are going to be logically consistent, you must conclude that the Republicans and Bush were fascists.

Damn near...

If that sounds stupid to you, yes it is, and it sounds just the same yelling "communist."

Funny, as you keep putting words into my mouth. Go over this thread very carefully, and you will notice that I use the term socialism, which is appropriate for this situation.

Obama is a socialist, of this there is no doubt.

The far Right does not help its cause by screaming "communism." It is extremism that turns off everybody else. Its like the Left calling the GOP "fascists," and it does the Right's cause no good other than to display their ignorance of socio-political systems.

Interesting...so I cannot call Obama a socialist, because it makes ME seem extreme?

*facepalm*

Obama is a socialist, and has nationalized two (soon to be three) of the country's largest economic sectors. You've got to be blind and dumb not to realize this.

The simple fact is that all of the developed countries in the world have mixed economies whereby private property and the rule of law are the foundation of society, and the market is the primary system of resource allocation, with the government becoming involved based on societal prerogatives. The only difference in each country is to what degree.

And you expect me to stand down and shut up because of this irrelevant fact? You're patronizing me, and I'm quite tired of it...

In our economy, the pricing system is the primary allocator of who gets what. That is hardly communism.

Nationalized health care, where the government is primarily allocator of who gets what, is hardly capitalism. We're talking about nearly 20% of our total GDP.

Perhaps I should patronize you with a lecture on the problems with monopsony?

 

[eots]

[

QUOTE=midcan5;1487929]While a bit off topic, this thread is getting into the truther movement. This is one area I completely disagree with as I think it wastes energy. The 911 commission report was detailed enough. Why did we fail to notice - simple, everyone was asleep at the wheel.

only some one completely uniformed could believe the 911 commission was detailed
it was full of omissions ..including the complete exclusion of building 7...many of the commission members themselves have denounced the report

Why did the bridge out west collapse? Isn't every minute detail of events given in bright lights? Why is service so poor in this country today - even the outsourcing sucks? What can't I not order something and not get the wrong part? or partially wrong? It defies the imagination to think 911 was an inside job as the past administration did nothing else very competently. This was their shining moment - truly doubtful.

I'm not defending this man's right to sign on to this conspiratorial nonsense - I don't know his motivation - I think it is a waste of time. Let's see how he does in the job, none of you wingnuts questioned the dipshits Bush placed in power. Consider the fiasco that Iraq was under Bremer for instance.

911 WTC collapse

Latest Findings from NIST World Trade Center Investigation Released (April 5, 2005)
Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? Science, Engineering, and Speculation
Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics

[/QUOTE]

and posting popular mechanics only highlights the lack of information you have and the depth in which you have examined the facts

 

[garyd]

Additionally, in my experience as an officer in NORAD as a Tactical Director for the Chicago-Milwaukee Air Defense and as a current private pilot, there is no way that an aircraft on instrument flight plans (all commercial flights are IFR) would not be intercepted when they deviate from their flight plan, turn off their transponders, or stop communication with Air Traffic Control. No way! With very bad luck, perhaps one could slip by, but no there's no way all four of them could!


Absolute fucking nonsense everyone of those planes except perhaps the one in Pensylvania had impacted their targets within ten minutes of take off. Even at alert status it take you longer than that to scramble the fighters and find the damn targets.

 

[DiveCon]

only some one completely uniformed could believe the 911 commission was detailed
it was full of emissions ..including the complete exclusion of building 7...many of the commission members themselves have denounced the report





and posting popular mechanics only highlights the lack of information you have and the depth in which you have examined the facts

yes, because Popular Mechanics, the Discovery Channel, the history channel, and PBS are all in on the conspiracy and trying to cover it up

right?

 

[garyd]

According to the idiot truthers, yes.