USATODAYGALLUP: Poll Danger Signs; Obama Tracking Lower Than Carter

[DiveCon]

Fact -Govenor Sanford SC, Republican contender for 2012 presidential nomination- member of promise keepers-has on going affair with Argentine woman-goes awol from his govenors job. ignores 15 calls from his chief of staff. Dispite his Argentine girl friend being his soul mate he will try and make thing work with his wife. What a great guy. No hypocrite here. This is one the potential new leaders for the Republicans.

Fact- Senator Ensign of Nevada has long going affair with the wife of his chief of staff and family friend. Affair kept quiet by The Family Christian group he lives with and professes family, Christian values. Hush money paid to woman he has affair with by his family. No hypocrite here. Another high character individual on the Republican 2012 Presidential candidate list.

Fact - Govenor Palin Alaska, after 21/2 years as govenor of Alaska resigns because the going was very tough as it always is in politics. If elected President and the going gets tough what does she do?
Her simplistic view of complex problems facing America or absolute lack of knowledge of complex problems facing America are well documented.

Question- who are the leaders of the Republican party

Faqct - dispite declining poll ratings Obama is rated 20% to 30% higher than the Republicans in being able to solve the Economy and health care

Prediction - Obama will have approval rating near 60% by 2012 and be reelected

Does that help you seperate out the emotion and facts

you didnt post any facts moron
just your opinions
learn the difference

Sanford had an affair, Ensign had an affair, Palin resigned.

These are not facts?

I think you are spending a little too much time diving.

you added a shit load of OPINION there
so it changed to your opinion more than fact

 

[Meister]

I see a bunch of conservatives who do not have any national leaders they can talk about except family value candidates having affairs or govenors quitting because the going got a little too tough.

When all else fails let's talk about Obama's poll numbers going down.

I predict in 2012 Obama will have approval ratings close to 60% and will be re-elected.

Worst President ever? George Bush. No question.

I see Mr. Fudd posts on emotion, and little fact if any at all.

Fact -Govenor Sanford SC, Republican contender for 2012 presidential nomination- member of promise keepers-has on going affair with Argentine woman-goes awol from his govenors job. ignores 15 calls from his chief of staff. Dispite his Argentine girl friend being his soul mate he will try and make thing work with his wife. What a great guy. No hypocrite here. This is one the potential new leaders for the Republicans.

Fact- Senator Ensign of Nevada has long going affair with the wife of his chief of staff and family friend. Affair kept quiet by The Family Christian group he lives with and professes family, Christian values. Hush money paid to woman he has affair with by his family. No hypocrite here. Another high character individual on the Republican 2012 Presidential candidate list.

Fact - Govenor Palin Alaska, after 21/2 years as govenor of Alaska resigns because the going was very tough as it always is in politics. If elected President and the going gets tough what does she do?
Her simplistic view of complex problems facing America or absolute lack of knowledge of complex problems facing America are well documented.

Question- who are the leaders of the Republican party

Faqct - dispite declining poll ratings Obama is rated 20% to 30% higher than the Republicans in being able to solve the Economy and health care

Prediction - Obama will have approval rating near 60% by 2012 and be reelected

Does that help you seperate out the emotion and facts

Are you a moron??? First....we were talking about Bush, you moron.

Second, the republicans don't even have a presidential candidate "list" yet. You are a goof ball. You need to take some estrogen and chill out some.
third...do you have a crystal ball telling everyone what Obama's numbers are in 2012?
fourth....Can you give your source on your poll ratings for Obama on healthcare?
Mr. Fudd you haven proven you are running on emotion with no facts.
Thanks for proving it to this board.

 

[Sinatra]

I see a bunch of conservatives who do not have any national leaders they can talk about except family value candidates having affairs or govenors quitting because the going got a little too tough.

When all else fails let's talk about Obama's poll numbers going down.

I predict in 2012 Obama will have approval ratings close to 60% and will be re-elected.

Worst President ever? George Bush. No question.

I see Mr. Fudd posts on emotion, and little fact if any at all.

Fact -Govenor Sanford SC, Republican contender for 2012 presidential nomination- member of promise keepers-has on going affair with Argentine woman-goes awol from his govenors job. ignores 15 calls from his chief of staff. Dispite his Argentine girl friend being his soul mate he will try and make thing work with his wife. What a great guy. No hypocrite here. This is one the potential new leaders for the Republicans.

Fact- Senator Ensign of Nevada has long going affair with the wife of his chief of staff and family friend. Affair kept quiet by The Family Christian group he lives with and professes family, Christian values. Hush money paid to woman he has affair with by his family. No hypocrite here. Another high character individual on the Republican 2012 Presidential candidate list.

Fact - Govenor Palin Alaska, after 21/2 years as govenor of Alaska resigns because the going was very tough as it always is in politics. If elected President and the going gets tough what does she do?
Her simplistic view of complex problems facing America or absolute lack of knowledge of complex problems facing America are well documented.

Question- who are the leaders of the Republican party

Faqct - dispite declining poll ratings Obama is rated 20% to 30% higher than the Republicans in being able to solve the Economy and health care

Prediction - Obama will have approval rating near 60% by 2012 and be reelected

Does that help you seperate out the emotion and facts

It would appear you have no idea what a fact is friend...

 

[Harry Dresden]

Sanford had an affair, Ensign had an affair, Palin resigned.

These are not facts?

I think you are spending a little too much time diving.

they are not the leaders of the party....

 

[Baruch Menachem]

Still wishful thinking. He has congress, and they really don't give a rip.


Still, I like how the numbers are tracking. Pretty soon all he will have left is the Kool-aid crowd.

But don't forget, This guy fights really really dirty. And he doesn't care who he takes with him. Or who he runs over in his thirst for power.

 

[Sinatra]

A number of Dems are breaking away in Congress - there is a shift underway in DC - and it only took six months for it to begin in earnest.

Obama's appeal was skin deep - his politics are offensive to the majority of Americans and they are finally realizing what the guy is actually about...

 

[elvis]

A number of Dems are breaking away in Congress - there is a shift underway in DC - and it only took six months for it to begin in earnest.

Obama's appeal was skin deep - his politics are offensive to the majority of Americans and they are finally realizing what the guy is actually about...

a book should be written called "The Obama Myth".

 

[bk1983]

A number of Dems are breaking away in Congress - there is a shift underway in DC - and it only took six months for it to begin in earnest.

Obama's appeal was skin deep - his politics are offensive to the majority of Americans and they are finally realizing what the guy is actually about...

Don't get too attached to these numbers, Remember Clinton had some of the lowest approval ratings early on in his 1st term. Only to leave office with record approval ratings. Something tells me when Clinton hit 37% in approval in his first term many Republicans counted his reelection out.

June 1993 Clinton approval was at 37%

Look what happened after his 2nd term.
End-of Presidency Job Approval Ratings
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24

Bill Clinton
First Term 49.6% Average approval
Second Term 60.6% Average approval


Now look at George W. Bush
First Term 62.2% Average approval
Second Term 36.5% Average approval

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends

 

[Oddball]

A number of Dems are breaking away in Congress - there is a shift underway in DC - and it only took six months for it to begin in earnest.

Obama's appeal was skin deep - his politics are offensive to the majority of Americans and they are finally realizing what the guy is actually about...

a book should be written called "The Obama Myth".

Or maybe "Barry in Wonderland".

 

[elvis]

A number of Dems are breaking away in Congress - there is a shift underway in DC - and it only took six months for it to begin in earnest.

Obama's appeal was skin deep - his politics are offensive to the majority of Americans and they are finally realizing what the guy is actually about...

a book should be written called "The Obama Myth".

Or maybe "Barry in Wonderland".

The Audacity of horse hockey

 

[Baruch Menachem]

No more Barry 0 books. the campaign bios wiped out too many trees as it is.

 

[Terry]

My opinion is not only the health care issue is outrageous and Dem's know they will be voted out if they pass it but I think there is another reason and that is all these Congressmen actual power and control is being subverted with the Czars and are starting to see the real danger.

 

[Avatar4321]

I think a lot of the problem is Obama talked a good game, but he doesn't have the experience or backbone to accomplish any of it. Also making some of the most disasterous cabinet pics in history arn't helping matters any.

When exactly did he talk a good game? The man is one of the worst speakers out there. Sure He can read well. Anyone can do that. Speaking comes from the heart and he just doesnt have that ability.

 

[Avatar4321]

Still too soon Willow. Thank God it is so obvious what you are doing.

Exactly when has enough time past? Or do we have to wait 4 years before we can evaluate anything this President has done and blindly support him until then?

Not only does this prove the GOP are all bad and only the blue dogs are equally as bad, this also proves

a. You don't get it

Then explain it, oh great one!

b. The lobbyists own our system.

Yeah, heaven forbid the people actually be allowed to influence their politicians. The scandal! Those evil people are trying to tell the politicians what to do. I don't know how the Left has successfully convinced people that its bad that their representatives have to listen to them, but seriously, let's ditch the sophistry and actually look at reality.

So you don't really care that corporate America owns our politicians, or that they steal elections, as long as you THINK you are winning along with them.

So you admit that Obama and the Democrat Congress stole the past two elections to get power. After all, who else could have?

When you realize you aren't, it'll be too late. Socialism my ass.

Sadly, our socialist leaders will probably want your ass. Totalitarian governments have a habit of screwing the people.

The good dems are the ones that you call socialists. The bad ones are the ones taking money from the healthcare giants.

Since when is there a good Democrat?

 

[Avatar4321]

My opinion is not only the health care issue is outrageous and Dem's know they will be voted out if they pass it but I think there is another reason and that is all these Congressmen actual power and control is being subverted with the Czars and are starting to see the real danger.

The czars are very troubling.

Can anyone tell me who thought it was a good idea to create an appointed position in our government with the title of the dictators/Emperors who destroyed the only other major Republic in the History of the world? This is supposed to be a good idea???

 

[Sinatra]

I think a lot of the problem is Obama talked a good game, but he doesn't have the experience or backbone to accomplish any of it. Also making some of the most disasterous cabinet pics in history arn't helping matters any.

When exactly did he talk a good game? The man is one of the worst speakers out there. Sure He can read well. Anyone can do that. Speaking comes from the heart and he just doesnt have that ability.

You are correct - great reader, but a very poor and clumsy speaker...

 

[ozzmdj]

My opinion is not only the health care issue is outrageous and Dem's know they will be voted out if they pass it but I think there is another reason and that is all these Congressmen actual power and control is being subverted with the Czars and are starting to see the real danger.

The czars are very troubling.

Can anyone tell me who thought it was a good idea to create an appointed position in our government with the title of the dictators/Emperors who destroyed the only other major Republic in the History of the world? This is supposed to be a good idea???

This man is the only Marxist to be elected President of the United States....He will go down the worst President in history.

 

[cristal]

A number of Dems are breaking away in Congress - there is a shift underway in DC - and it only took six months for it to begin in earnest.

Obama's appeal was skin deep - his politics are offensive to the majority of Americans and they are finally realizing what the guy is actually about...

Don't get too attached to these numbers, Remember Clinton had some of the lowest approval ratings early on in his 1st term. Only to leave office with record approval ratings. Something tells me when Clinton hit 37% in approval in his first term many Republicans counted his reelection out.

June 1993 Clinton approval was at 37%

Look what happened after his 2nd term.
End-of Presidency Job Approval Ratings
Bill Clinton (2001) 65%
Ronald Reagan (1989) 64
Dwight Eisenhower (1961) 59
John F. Kennedy (1963) 63
George Bush (1993) 56
Gerald Ford (1977) 53
Lyndon Johnson (1969) 49
Jimmy Carter (1981) 34
Richard Nixon (1974) 24

Bill Clinton
First Term 49.6% Average approval
Second Term 60.6% Average approval


Now look at George W. Bush
First Term 62.2% Average approval
Second Term 36.5% Average approval

Presidential Approval Ratings -- Gallup Historical Statistics and Trends

Clinton was never narcisstic. He may not have been able to keep his fly zipped, but he worked with a Republican Congress in writing bills, before they came up for a vote.

Obama on the other hand, has a way of just presenting the bills to Congress for a vote, without any input from them and without giving them a chance to even read them. Only wanting them to sign on the dotted lines. His bills are all about pushing his own agenda, without any care to the well-being of the very people, that he is paid to protect and serve.

This President has the highest level of narcissism, in the history of American Presidents.

 

[ozzmdj]

The only reason Clinton got reelected was the Republican nomination of Bob Dole. A little historical fact.... it was the second lowest voter turn out of the century and still bubba could not get 50% of the vote. What happen then is the same thing that happen last year. McCain was nothing but another Dole. The only reason it was close was his running mate a true conservative.

 

[bk1983]

The only reason Clinton got reelected was the Republican nomination of Bob Doyle. A little historical fact.... it was the second lowest voter turn out of the century and still bubba could not get 50% of the vote. What happen then is the same thing that happen last year. McCain was nothing but another Doyle. The only reason it was close was his running mate a true conservative.

A little historical fact, it was Bob Dole not Bob Doyle.

After getting off to a shaky start, Clinton left office after 8 years with record high approval. What I see here is desperate attempts to find anything negative, history proves not to put too much weight in the early polls.