US Number #1 ....

[Samson]

i dont think you'll find the US in the top 5 markets in the world with respect to freedom. you probably wont find any of those top 5 near the top of the GDP scale either.

The criteria for the #1 Ranking in innovation....did you read them in the article or see the quote from the article that I posted?

Basically the USA was ranked #1 in innovation because it is the largest free capitalist market on the earth.

OK, which nations would you rank in the top 5 markets in the world with respect to freedom? Don't even pay attention to the GNP. Certainly nothing in Europe, S. America, or Africa.....That narrows it down to Asia....India? No...too much Hindu vs Muslim nuclear warheads........China? Not exactly "Free Market." Japan Inc.? Maybe.

note the difference between largest free and free-est large.

ill guess the UK, swiss, singapore, uh... HK..... definately not japan... australia? the US is up there, but you cant nationalize banks every once and a while and taut that youre the most free market. our monex policies are iffy, too, sometimes.

again freedom is not the most important component in an economy, perhaps the most basic, tho.

how would you rank them?

USA,...

I don't think of the UK as being terribly innovative because they are part of europe, but I could be wrong since they aren't part of the EU.

Frankly I agree with your list. UK, Switzerland, "Hong Kong," Australia, Singapore.....
(Hong Kong is now China).....I'd add Canada

Do you see the common denominator?:

With the exception of Switzerland, they are all former colonies of Great Britian.

The foundation for these colonies was capital investments of private companies seeking long term profitable ventures. The tradition of free maket capitalism remains, and causes each to be highly innovative.

 

[Ringel05]

Most of the major innovation is BECAUSE of government, not in spite of it.......and we should be #1......we are the oldest government on the planet by far, we have a major head start on everybody because of it. Comparing us to France or Germany is hardly fair, we have more land, more natural resources, more people and we've been at it a lot longer.

The thread is about the USA #1 Innovation. How else did you think the #1 was arrived at, if not by comparison with other nations? Perhaps if it isn't "fair" to be #1 Innovator, it also shouldn't be "fair" to compare the USA's crime statistics, education system, productivity, etc., with any other nation?

And WTF do you mean "we've been at it longer" than Germany or France?

Yeah, that one gave me pause also.

 

[Samson]

I think there is room for both actually both personal and R&D that tax payers fund that actually trickles down to the personal level to spawn all sorts of innovation on the personal level. Of course the sweat and blood of personal innovation should go to benefit the person that spawned that innovation and added benefits would be to those that use it or the many uses it spawns.

Let me give you just a small example, funding by DARPA helped spawn the internet, however all the numerous companies that have benefited from that both here and worldwide reap the benedits of their innovations as well. Just take a look at Mark Cuban the owner of the Dallas Mavericks who earned his fortune on that very same internet and now is enjoying the benefits of that fortune. Further, look at Google, and the men that started that, and all the numerous companies and individuals that have benefited from that, It's one of the main reasons I say that public and private R&D funding can work well together.

The impression that many Americans have gottten about American innovation, products, etc. is that we cannot compete, for various reasons, and to me some of that is self defeating in that it fosters a belief that our nation can't achieve great things, and I like to believe we are just as capable as previous generations if not more so of doing just that if given the chance.

I wish you'd write paragraphs.

To return to the criteria:

ranking is based on indices such as
a. the number of internet users in a nation,
b. the ease of doing business and the stability of banks (that score alone makes surprising that the U.S. tops the list).

Every factor is then categorized as either an input or an output, with inputs indicating how conducive countries are to stimulating innovation (these include institutions and policies, human capacity, infrastructure, technological sophistication, business markets and capital).

The outputs indicate how effectively countries translate innovation into benefits - like knowledge, competitiveness and wealth.

Giving some thought to the criteria, and some of the posts, I've altered my opinion, in part.

"Instituions and Policies, and Infrastructure" => Government. Government also maintains competitiveness (e.g. Sherman Antitrust Act), and regulates wealth (Personal Income Tax).

"translating innovation into benefits like wealth," however, is the antithesis of Government If there is over regulation.

 

[uscitizen]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

 

[Samson]

Oh those "liberal elite" with their research and study and data. Who needs 'em?

Well?

Do you have a list of the number of innovations that the "liberal elite" (however you'd like to define that), have generated?

 

[uscitizen]

Didn't the cons talk against NASA? We have gotten trillions in benefits from NASA. Not including the knowledge.

 

[Samson]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

Last time I checked, the UK was the largest foreign investor in US industry.

The reason Europeans (and others) invest in the USA is BECAUSE of the historic innovations the USA is able to develop, not DESPITE the innovativeness of the USA.

 

[uscitizen]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

Last time I checked, the UK was the largest foreign investor in US industry.

The reason Europeans (and others) invest in the USA is BECAUSE of the historic innovations the USA is able to develop, not DESPITE the innovativeness of the USA.

You are just lookiing at the surface.
The investing in America is more innovative than we are as we ship out or wealth to China and such.

WE give to Europe and China and are left with what?

 

[Samson]

Didn't the cons talk against NASA? We have gotten trillions in benefits from NASA. Not including the knowledge.

I don't know if the "cons talk against NASA."

Nor am I aware that the "trillions in benefits from NASA" didn't come innovative capitalists in the USA, or that NASA couldn't have generated the benefits as a venture capital entity.

 

[Samson]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

Last time I checked, the UK was the largest foreign investor in US industry.

The reason Europeans (and others) invest in the USA is BECAUSE of the historic innovations the USA is able to develop, not DESPITE the innovativeness of the USA.

You are just lookiing at the surface.
The investing in America is more innovative than we are as we ship out or wealth to China and such.

WE give to Europe and China and are left with what?

Have you started the weekend early? I used to hit happy hours on Thursday too

Nothing like a couple of half-priced Long Island Ice Teas to wash down free Swedish meatballs and Chicken wings.

 

[Annie]

Oh those "liberal elite" with their research and study and data. Who needs 'em?

Whatever can make money will be invested in by private sector. Now somethings like the idea of 'putting a man on the moon' and the long term possibilities, mostly mind you on military front, yeah, that takes government investment.

OTOH those investments also have practical applications:

Practical Applications of Space Technology: Discoveries and Developments by NASA and Their Benefit to Society

...NASA Spinoffs with Practical Applications
Under the Space Act of 1958, NASA has had a mandate to share all the information it has gained with the public. Here are a few of the practical applications that have resulted from technologies and information learned by space scientists:

CAT scans
MRIs
Kidney dialysis machines
Heart defibrillator technology
Remote robotic surgery
Artificial heart pump technology
Physical therapy machines
Positron emission tomography
Microwave receivers used in scans for breast cancer
Cardiac angiography
Monitoring neutron activity in the brain
Cleaning techniques for hospital operating rooms
Portable x-ray technology for neonatal offices and 3rd world countries
Freeze-dried food
Water purification filters
ATM technology
Pay at the Pump satellite technology
Athletic shoe manufacturing technique
Insulation barriers for autos
Image-processing software for crash-testing automobiles
Holographic testing of communications antennas
Low-noise receivers
Cordless tools
A computer language used by businesses such as car repair shops, Kodak, hand-held computers, express mail
Aerial reconnaissance and Earth resources mapping
Airport baggage scanners
Distinction between natural space objects and satellites/warheads/rockets for defense
Satellite monitors for nuclear detonations
Hazardous gas sensors
Precision navigation
Clock synchronization
Ballistic missile guidance
Secure communications
Study of ozone depletion
Climate change studies
Monitoring of Earth-based storms such as hurricanes
Solar collectors
Fusion reactors
Space-age fabrics for divers, swimmers, hazardous material workers, and others
Teflon-coated fiberglass for roofing material
Lightweight breathing system used by firefighters
Atomic oxygen facility for removing unwanted material from 19th century paintings
FDA-adopted food safety program that has reduced salmonella cases by a factor of 2
Multispectral imaging methods used to read ancient Roman manuscripts buried by Mt. Vesuvius


...

Do I think government is the best investor in areas like autos? No. For ideas like space, oceans, etc., certainly.

For those that don't think that 'space' has now been taken over to a strong degree by private, well you've not been paying attention:

private space exploration - Google Search

Sometimes it DOES take government to start...

 

[Samson]

Oh those "liberal elite" with their research and study and data. Who needs 'em?

Sometimes it DOES take government to start...

Are you saying the Liberal Elite = NASA?

 

[Navy1960]

Didn't the cons talk against NASA? We have gotten trillions in benefits from NASA. Not including the knowledge.

This Republican, has many posts on NASA and the benefits from it, in fact the most recent was about the ARES I program. So I would not, generalize that all Republicans have bad things to say about NASA, personally , I believe NASA, discounting the shuttle program too a small degree because of zero follow-on and poor management has given us many benefits.

 

[antagon]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

who financed what? you heard of the marshall plan, buddy?

ive been in london the last couple weeks, you'd be surprised how many of our (US) brands are out here too.

 

[antagon]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

Last time I checked, the UK was the largest foreign investor in US industry.

The reason Europeans (and others) invest in the USA is BECAUSE of the historic innovations the USA is able to develop, not DESPITE the innovativeness of the USA.

goes back to my thoughts on the quality of our capital mkts. cant speculate on the zeal of UK investment without considering a £ is a $1.60+. great innovation and productivity and cheap to boot.

 

[keee keee]

Advances in medicine will stop with socialised medicine, Why do you think most advances were made here and not in countries with socialised medicine!!!Once the money or profit is taken out of something why make any improvements or discoveries!!!

 

[Samson]

Ohh the Europeans are quite inovative. Look at how many companies you think are US owned but are actually owned by european companies.

Glaxo.
Electrolux, who happens to thru subsidiaries just happens to manufacture abround half of the lawn care machines sold in the USA.

Google a bit you will be suprised how much of America europe owns.

Heck they finianced much of our freedom.
And our industrial revolution.

who financed what? you heard of the marshall plan, buddy?

ive been in london the last couple weeks, you'd be surprised how many of our (US) brands are out here too.

Is there a corner near Picadilly Circus WITHOUT a Starbucks???

 

[antagon]

Advances in medicine will stop with socialised medicine, Why do you think most advances were made here and not in countries with socialised medicine!!!Once the money or profit is taken out of something why make any improvements or discoveries!!!

who said anything about socialized medicine in the US?

 

[antagon]

The criteria for the #1 Ranking in innovation....did you read them in the article or see the quote from the article that I posted?

Basically the USA was ranked #1 in innovation because it is the largest free capitalist market on the earth.

OK, which nations would you rank in the top 5 markets in the world with respect to freedom? Don't even pay attention to the GNP. Certainly nothing in Europe, S. America, or Africa.....That narrows it down to Asia....India? No...too much Hindu vs Muslim nuclear warheads........China? Not exactly "Free Market." Japan Inc.? Maybe.

note the difference between largest free and free-est large.

ill guess the UK, swiss, singapore, uh... HK..... definately not japan... australia? the US is up there, but you cant nationalize banks every once and a while and taut that youre the most free market. our monex policies are iffy, too, sometimes.

again freedom is not the most important component in an economy, perhaps the most basic, tho.

how would you rank them?

USA,...

I don't think of the UK as being terribly innovative because they are part of europe, but I could be wrong since they aren't part of the EU.

Frankly I agree with your list. UK, Switzerland, "Hong Kong," Australia, Singapore.....
(Hong Kong is now China).....I'd add Canada

Do you see the common denominator?:

With the exception of Switzerland, they are all former colonies of Great Britian.

The foundation for these colonies was capital investments of private companies seeking long term profitable ventures. The tradition of free maket capitalism remains, and causes each to be highly innovative.

'ol adam smith's DNA, huh?

the UKs in the EU, they just havent ditched the £. couldnt call them innovative. i dont think another nation is in the same league as the US, for too many reasons to list.

i thought they were a bit more free on the cap mkts, particularly... i was wrong on at least one of these <<lists from wiki>>

HK is kinda like a lab experiment for the chinese and runs fairly autonymously. they figured if it aint broke, lets make shanghai just like it.

 

[Navy1960]

Just to keep up a few good things about innovation,

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7.1-inch capacitive multi-touch touchscreen with some sort of &#8220;intelligent feedback&#8221; and an anti-fingerprint coating
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120GB hard drive
Built-in projector
Built-in iSight camera
802.11n WiFi and Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR
Mac OS X 10.7 Clouded Leopard
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