Understanding Christianity

[hobelim]

Water covering the tops of mountains is just a little hyperbole that tries to convey the magnitude of the partial extinction event. In scripture "the mountains of Israel" also refers to the big shots of the community. Therefore, water covering their highest mountain could also indicate that all the well heeled big shots drowned. 10 feet of water would have done the trick, especially among desert dwellers who probably couldn't swim for a minute much less a month.. They really didn't need to exaggerate much.

That remains your own interpretation. No one knows what Noah saw to tell that it's actually a hyperbole.

Everyone knows that there isn't enough water on the planet to cover the top of any mountain in a flood..

It can only be figurative or hyperbole, or both, to make clear the lessons of the past.

 

[Hawkins]

Water covering the tops of mountains is just a little hyperbole that tries to convey the magnitude of the partial extinction event. In scripture "the mountains of Israel" also refers to the big shots of the community. Therefore, water covering their highest mountain could also indicate that all the well heeled big shots drowned. 10 feet of water would have done the trick, especially among desert dwellers who probably couldn't swim for a minute much less a month.. They really didn't need to exaggerate much.

That remains your own interpretation. No one knows what Noah saw to tell that it's actually a hyperbole.

Everyone knows that there isn't enough water on the planet to cover the top of any mountain in a flood..

It can only be figurative or hyperbole.

No. Again, you assume wrong. Humans don't know all kinds of catastrophe. It can be something wiping out the earth in a period of time we can't evaluate. You don't need to assume that the 'flood' covers all mountains of earth at the same time. It can cover one mountain at a time till the whole earth with everything in is destroyed.

 

[hobelim]

Water covering the tops of mountains is just a little hyperbole that tries to convey the magnitude of the partial extinction event. In scripture "the mountains of Israel" also refers to the big shots of the community. Therefore, water covering their highest mountain could also indicate that all the well heeled big shots drowned. 10 feet of water would have done the trick, especially among desert dwellers who probably couldn't swim for a minute much less a month.. They really didn't need to exaggerate much.

That remains your own interpretation. No one knows what Noah saw to tell that it's actually a hyperbole.

Everyone knows that there isn't enough water on the planet to cover the top of any mountain in a flood..

It can only be figurative or hyperbole.

No. Again, you assume wrong. Humans don't know all kinds of catastrophe. It can be something wiping out the earth in a period of time we can't evaluate. You don't need to assume that the 'flood' covers all mountains of earth at the same time. It can cover one mountain at a time till the whole earth with everything in is destroyed.

It is impossible for mt Ararat to be covered with water under any condition at any time given the topography and the finite amount of water on the earth.


The story is either about something else, a hidden teaching loosely based on actual events, , or it is all complete bullshit.

I go for the hidden teaching. These same scripture use mountains as a metaphor for people, just like some people and their influence loom over the human landscape like an immovable mountain..

This is a verifiable fact.

In the same way the prophecies about mountains crumbling, valleys being lifted up, and stars being removed from their high places and falling from the sky are prophecies about social upheaval and change.

Not cosmic catastrophe.


When Jesus said that a person can move mountains with a few words if he had the faith, wouldn't it be irrational, even insane, to believe that he was speaking literally?

 

[The Irish Ram]

So it was an act of magic from an invisible superbeing? Got any proof?

Not magic. Biology.
He is also responsible for Physics, that our mathematicians keep discovering.
The dimensions our scientists think they have found..
Funny thing about those dimensions, God said that we should know He exists by reading Genesis.
Maimonides took Him up on it and discovered that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. That man died in 1204.
Speed ahead to the 20th century where our brightest and best scientists have concluded that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. And I loved this. Science thinks those six may be rolled up or something.
God said that dimensions can be burned up, torn, rolled up.
Who knew....

God didn't write the bible so god said absolutely nothing.

God absolutely wrote the Bible. Man can't see the end from the beginning, but God can and told us what to expect in the future, with accuracy. He describes dimensions (that we just recently discovered), thousands of years ago. He tells archeologists where to dig. When we were blood letting, He told us that life was in the blood. He has warned us about the leader of the one world government as we barrel toward a UN takeover. Israel is going to build another Temple...

 

[The Irish Ram]

It's kind of humorous if you think about it. Oh we found out God isn't the cause of this event, it is because of this. And the religious folks will say, because god. God is behind everything that happens is what they think. Every new thing we discover that obliterates something that the Bible has taught, they have an excuse for. Lol.

There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of God. No thing. What "new" thing are you talking about?? Hawking woke up and found 10 dimensions.> That God created and told us all about, thousands of years before Hawking came into being. We didn't create Physics. We discovered Physics. There were "Physics" before there were humans to discover it. The information encoded in DNA was there long before we even knew there was DNA. Just because we discover something, by no means does that make the discovery a human attribute.
If we discover something it is because God was there first..

 

[MarkDuffy]

It's kind of humorous if you think about it. Oh we found out God isn't the cause of this event, it is because of this. And the religious folks will say, because god. God is behind everything that happens is what they think. Every new thing we discover that obliterates something that the Bible has taught, they have an excuse for. Lol.

There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of God. No thing. What "new" thing are you talking about?? Hawking woke up and found 10 dimensions.> That God created and told us all about, thousands of years before Hawking came into being. We didn't create Physics. We discovered Physics. There were "Physics" before there were humans to discover it. The information encoded in DNA was there long before we even knew there was DNA. Just because we discover something, by no means does that make the discovery a human attribute.
If we discover something it is because God was there first..

So, you are now incorporating multi-dimensions into the God theory.

Science wins again

smirk

 

[The Irish Ram]

So it was an act of magic from an invisible superbeing? Got any proof?

Not magic. Biology.
He is also responsible for Physics, that our mathematicians keep discovering.
The dimensions our scientists think they have found..
Funny thing about those dimensions, God said that we should know He exists by reading Genesis.
Maimonides took Him up on it and discovered that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. That man died in 1204.
Speed ahead to the 20th century where our brightest and best scientists have concluded that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. And I loved this. Science thinks those six may be rolled up or something.
God said that dimensions can be burned up, torn, rolled up.
Who knew....

God didn't write the bible so god said absolutely nothing.

God did write the Bible. We know that because man can not predict the future. God, can and did. To the Jews captivity, to the duration of the captivity, to a one world order that we see being formed today.

 

[The Irish Ram]

It's kind of humorous if you think about it. Oh we found out God isn't the cause of this event, it is because of this. And the religious folks will say, because god. God is behind everything that happens is what they think. Every new thing we discover that obliterates something that the Bible has taught, they have an excuse for. Lol.

There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of God. No thing. What "new" thing are you talking about?? Hawking woke up and found 10 dimensions.> That God created and told us all about, thousands of years before Hawking came into being. We didn't create Physics. We discovered Physics. There were "Physics" before there were humans to discover it. The information encoded in DNA was there long before we even knew there was DNA. Just because we discover something, by no means does that make the discovery a human attribute.
If we discover something it is because God was there first..

So, you are now incorporating multi-dimensions into the God theory.

Science wins again

smirk

Just the opposite. Bible readers have always known there were dimensions 4 seen, 6 unseen. Christ was in the sixth dimension when He appeared. It was you seculars that didn't have a clue until now. You are the one incorporating God's word into your science. In fact one of the most respected scientists we have thinks we live in a matrix. He thinks he has the proof that God is responsible for your science, not the other way around.

smirk... unless your scientific credentials are superior to Kaku's......

 

[MarkDuffy]

It's kind of humorous if you think about it. Oh we found out God isn't the cause of this event, it is because of this. And the religious folks will say, because god. God is behind everything that happens is what they think. Every new thing we discover that obliterates something that the Bible has taught, they have an excuse for. Lol.

There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of God. No thing. What "new" thing are you talking about?? Hawking woke up and found 10 dimensions.> That God created and told us all about, thousands of years before Hawking came into being. We didn't create Physics. We discovered Physics. There were "Physics" before there were humans to discover it. The information encoded in DNA was there long before we even knew there was DNA. Just because we discover something, by no means does that make the discovery a human attribute.
If we discover something it is because God was there first..

So, you are now incorporating multi-dimensions into the God theory.

Science wins again

smirk

Just the opposite. Bible readers have always known there were dimensions 4 seen, 6 unseen. Christ was in the sixth dimension when He appeared. It was you seculars that didn't have a clue until now. You are the one incorporating God's word into your science. In fact one of the most respected scientists we have thinks we live in a matrix. He thinks he has the proof that God is responsible for your science, not the other way around.

smirk... unless your scientific credentials are superior to Kaku's......

With the assumption of multi-dimensions, the problems with scientific cosmology totally evaporate.

 

[ChrisL]

Maybe a black hole sucks you into Heaven . . . or Hell . . . mwa ha ha.

 

[Taz]

So it was an act of magic from an invisible superbeing? Got any proof?

Not magic. Biology.
He is also responsible for Physics, that our mathematicians keep discovering.
The dimensions our scientists think they have found..
Funny thing about those dimensions, God said that we should know He exists by reading Genesis.
Maimonides took Him up on it and discovered that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. That man died in 1204.
Speed ahead to the 20th century where our brightest and best scientists have concluded that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. And I loved this. Science thinks those six may be rolled up or something.
God said that dimensions can be burned up, torn, rolled up.
Who knew....

God didn't write the bible so god said absolutely nothing.

God absolutely wrote the Bible. Man can't see the end from the beginning, but God can and told us what to expect in the future, with accuracy. He describes dimensions (that we just recently discovered), thousands of years ago. He tells archeologists where to dig. When we were blood letting, He told us that life was in the blood. He has warned us about the leader of the one world government as we barrel toward a UN takeover. Israel is going to build another Temple...

The bible was written by men, not by some invisible person in another dimension. Stop living in a fantasy world.

 

[Taz]

So it was an act of magic from an invisible superbeing? Got any proof?

Not magic. Biology.
He is also responsible for Physics, that our mathematicians keep discovering.
The dimensions our scientists think they have found..
Funny thing about those dimensions, God said that we should know He exists by reading Genesis.
Maimonides took Him up on it and discovered that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. That man died in 1204.
Speed ahead to the 20th century where our brightest and best scientists have concluded that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. And I loved this. Science thinks those six may be rolled up or something.
God said that dimensions can be burned up, torn, rolled up.
Who knew....

God didn't write the bible so god said absolutely nothing.

God did write the Bible. We know that because man can not predict the future. God, can and did. To the Jews captivity, to the duration of the captivity, to a one world order that we see being formed today.

Men wrote the bible and Nostradamus also predicted the future. An invisible guy didn't do anything.

 

[The Irish Ram]

It's kind of humorous if you think about it. Oh we found out God isn't the cause of this event, it is because of this. And the religious folks will say, because god. God is behind everything that happens is what they think. Every new thing we discover that obliterates something that the Bible has taught, they have an excuse for. Lol.

There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of God. No thing. What "new" thing are you talking about?? Hawking woke up and found 10 dimensions.> That God created and told us all about, thousands of years before Hawking came into being. We didn't create Physics. We discovered Physics. There were "Physics" before there were humans to discover it. The information encoded in DNA was there long before we even knew there was DNA. Just because we discover something, by no means does that make the discovery a human attribute.
If we discover something it is because God was there first..

So, you are now incorporating multi-dimensions into the God theory.

Science wins again

smirk

Just the opposite. Bible readers have always known there were dimensions 4 seen, 6 unseen. Christ was in the sixth dimension when He appeared. It was you seculars that didn't have a clue until now. You are the one incorporating God's word into your science. In fact one of the most respected scientists we have thinks we live in a matrix. He thinks he has the proof that God is responsible for your science, not the other way around.

smirk... unless your scientific credentials are superior to Kaku's......

With the assumption of multi-dimensions, the problems with scientific cosmology totally evaporate.

If you assume multi dimensions do not exist, stand up with your laptop. Now let go of your lap top. There's one. Blow up a ballon and, there's two....
As long as there is a cosmos, scientific cosmology will never evaporate. It will continue to expose the Creator. It was the bane of Einstein's existence....
4 seen 6 unseen.
And Hawking is correct. If there are 10 there can be an infinite amount of dimensions. Why would God stop at 10? He creates. He's good at it.

 

[The Irish Ram]

So it was an act of magic from an invisible superbeing? Got any proof?

Not magic. Biology.
He is also responsible for Physics, that our mathematicians keep discovering.
The dimensions our scientists think they have found..
Funny thing about those dimensions, God said that we should know He exists by reading Genesis.
Maimonides took Him up on it and discovered that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. That man died in 1204.
Speed ahead to the 20th century where our brightest and best scientists have concluded that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. And I loved this. Science thinks those six may be rolled up or something.
God said that dimensions can be burned up, torn, rolled up.
Who knew....

God didn't write the bible so god said absolutely nothing.

God did write the Bible. We know that because man can not predict the future. God, can and did. To the Jews captivity, to the duration of the captivity, to a one world order that we see being formed today.

Men wrote the bible and Nostradamus also predicted the future. An invisible guy didn't do anything.

Then you could write in the same manner. What is the score of the next Super Bowl game going to be? How did Isaiah know that 100 years into the future would be a King named Cyrus? And what Impact that King would have on the Jews and the Jews Temple? Who will be president of Mexico 100 years from now? If Isaiah could do it, you can too.
Then compile your genealogy for me using only 7's and multiple of 7's in your biographies, and limit the vowels and consonants to 7 or multiples of 7. < If you get that far, let me know and I will give you the other 21 restrictions the Holy Spirit used to reveal the genealogy of Christ. It doesn't work to just ignore the facts and keep saying, "nuh a"...

So, tell me what charlatan you think wrote the Bible, and when he or she published his work.

 

[Taz]

So it was an act of magic from an invisible superbeing? Got any proof?

Not magic. Biology.
He is also responsible for Physics, that our mathematicians keep discovering.
The dimensions our scientists think they have found..
Funny thing about those dimensions, God said that we should know He exists by reading Genesis.
Maimonides took Him up on it and discovered that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. That man died in 1204.
Speed ahead to the 20th century where our brightest and best scientists have concluded that there are at least 10 dimensions. 4 seen, 6 unseen. And I loved this. Science thinks those six may be rolled up or something.
God said that dimensions can be burned up, torn, rolled up.
Who knew....

God didn't write the bible so god said absolutely nothing.

God did write the Bible. We know that because man can not predict the future. God, can and did. To the Jews captivity, to the duration of the captivity, to a one world order that we see being formed today.

Men wrote the bible and Nostradamus also predicted the future. An invisible guy didn't do anything.

Then you could write in the same manner. What is the score of the next Super Bowl game going to be? How did Isaiah know that 100 years into the future would be a King named Cyrus? And what Impact that King would have on the Jews and the Jews Temple? Who will be president of Mexico 100 years from now? If Isaiah could do it, you can too.
Then compile your genealogy for me using only 7's and multiple of 7's in your biographies, and limit the vowels and consonants to 7 or multiples of 7. < If you get that far, let me know and I will give you the other 21 restrictions the Holy Spirit used to reveal the genealogy of Christ. It doesn't work to just ignore the facts and keep saying, "nuh a"...

So, tell me what charlatan you think wrote the Bible, and when he or she published his work.

Men still wrote the bible, no invisible person was involved. And you have yet to present any such proof.

 

[The Irish Ram]

You are the one without proof. What men? Where? How did they get their work published? How many participated in this farce. What year did their book come out? How were they able to predict the future thousands of years in advance, and you can't even give me a Janurary football score? Who are these men that are able to remain anonymous authors of the best selling book in History?

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This is not a debate of the validity of the Christian religion, but, an explanation of why they are "in your face"...

If I want to know about any particular god or religion, I could go online, or go to a library. Hell, there are churches on every street corner.

It's rude, insulting and invasive to have strangers accost people out of the blue and then, when told no thanks, they come on like a damn used car salesman.

I've been harassed by these jerks. I've described the ordeal in the past so suffice it to say it went on for about five years and finally ended with me pulling a gun on them. In retrospect, that part was actually fairly comical.

They have no sense of decency, no ethics. I was one approached in a park by a woman who pretended to care about an event I was watching with my very young grand daughters. MY GRAND DAUGHTERS!!! Book of Jeremiah has described accosting and preaching at families in hospital waiting rooms.

A couple of years ago, three of them lied about car trouble in order to get inside my home.

I was brought up to be courteous and civil to someone at my front door. But those people do not deserve that. I don't say anything to them, I don't insult them. I simply and quietly close my door.

Bonzi used the phrase "in your face". That's a very effective way to push people away from one's god or religion. I believe they know that and it's the main reason they do it.


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[Luddly Neddite]

It's kind of humorous if you think about it. Oh we found out God isn't the cause of this event, it is because of this. And the religious folks will say, because god. God is behind everything that happens is what they think. Every new thing we discover that obliterates something that the Bible has taught, they have an excuse for. Lol.

There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of God. No thing. What "new" thing are you talking about?? Hawking woke up and found 10 dimensions.> That God created and told us all about, thousands of years before Hawking came into being. We didn't create Physics. We discovered Physics. There were "Physics" before there were humans to discover it. The information encoded in DNA was there long before we even knew there was DNA. Just because we discover something, by no means does that make the discovery a human attribute.
If we discover something it is because God was there first..

The Irish Ram

"There is nothing on this earth that obliterates the word of god ".

Except phony christians. ^^^

If I believed in your invisible friend, the vicious, evil fundie nutters assign themselves off as Christians these days would make me believe in the devil.


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[Fort Fun Indiana]

Water covering the tops of mountains is just a little hyperbole that tries to convey the magnitude of the partial extinction event. In scripture "the mountains of Israel" also refers to the big shots of the community. Therefore, water covering their highest mountain could also indicate that all the well heeled big shots drowned. 10 feet of water would have done the trick, especially among desert dwellers who probably couldn't swim for a minute much less a month.. They really didn't need to exaggerate much.

That remains your own interpretation. No one knows what Noah saw to tell that it's actually a hyperbole. Sincere witnessing is demanded from God to the Jews. So it's possible that Noah just described what he saw for the later Moses to write it down with confirmation from God.

That said, and equal assumption can still be that it's something humans don't know.

"So it's possible that Noah just described what he saw for the later Moses to write it down"

And we know that Noah was a wholly ignorant crafter of fantasy who had no idea what was happening over the horizon. In a normal situation, we would just call this a fairy tale resulting from ignorance.

 

[Hawkins]

Water covering the tops of mountains is just a little hyperbole that tries to convey the magnitude of the partial extinction event. In scripture "the mountains of Israel" also refers to the big shots of the community. Therefore, water covering their highest mountain could also indicate that all the well heeled big shots drowned. 10 feet of water would have done the trick, especially among desert dwellers who probably couldn't swim for a minute much less a month.. They really didn't need to exaggerate much.

That remains your own interpretation. No one knows what Noah saw to tell that it's actually a hyperbole.

Everyone knows that there isn't enough water on the planet to cover the top of any mountain in a flood..

It can only be figurative or hyperbole.

No. Again, you assume wrong. Humans don't know all kinds of catastrophe. It can be something wiping out the earth in a period of time we can't evaluate. You don't need to assume that the 'flood' covers all mountains of earth at the same time. It can cover one mountain at a time till the whole earth with everything in is destroyed.

It is impossible for mt Ararat to be covered with water under any condition at any time given the topography and the finite amount of water on the earth.


The story is either about something else, a hidden teaching loosely based on actual events, , or it is all complete bullshit (the nature of gravity is beyond humans to know anyway).

I go for the hidden teaching. These same scripture use mountains as a metaphor for people, just like some people and their influence loom over the human landscape like an immovable mountain..

This is a verifiable fact.

In the same way the prophecies about mountains crumbling, valleys being lifted up, and stars being removed from their high places and falling from the sky are prophecies about social upheaval and change.

Not cosmic catastrophe.


When Jesus said that a person can move mountains with a few words if he had the faith, wouldn't it be irrational, even insane, to believe that he was speaking literally?

You overrated how things can be verified. Absolute no one can confirm that Ararat can't be covered by water in the past million years.

It is impossible for mt Ararat to be covered with water under any condition at any time given the topography and the finite amount of water on the earth.

The above is truly laughable. Do you realize how large our ocean is? It covers 70% of planet earth. It depends on whether a kind of catastrophe can swirl them up to cover a mountain, if you are willing to stay off gravity a little bit (the nature of gravity is never made known to humans anyway).