UN special session on anti-Semitism

[Phoenall]

Now you link to a piece by Pamela Geller. Do you know who she is? Here's a hint. From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"Pamela Geller is the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead. She's relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims, such as that President Obama is the "love child" of Malcolm X. She makes no pretense of being learned in Islamic studies, leaving the argumentative heavy lifting to her Stop Islamization of America partner Robert Spencer. Geller has mingled comfortably with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists, defended Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps."

Pamela Geller Southern Poverty Law Center

So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid. You do realise that since the war in Serbia the USA have looked at the evidence and realised that it was the muslims doing all the murders. Would you like some of the less graphic pictures of muslim atrocities shown on here, or can you explain the many videos of beheadings by muslim thugs of Christians.
This is why you will never be seen as an unbiased person because you have a very strong bias in favour of islam and the muslims. You never look at the other side and just dismiss it as propaganda, then spout ISLAMONAZI blood libels and lies

So by your logic David Irving's words are valid and unbiased, way to go Phoney!

Now where did I post that, nice try wont fly. Stop trying to put words into my posts as it does not work, and it is the same as LYING

 

[Phoenall]

Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.

History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent

WHY ? because he is a muslim and the muslims have a history of being anti-Semitic Jew haters that have tried to wipe them out since the tribe at medina refused to worship Mohamed as god.

 

[Phoenall]

...

Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.

Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents ​

(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -​

What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.

My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

 

[Challenger]

Haj Amin Al-Husseini The Nazi Mufti and His Participatory Role in the Jewish Holocaust of World War II Matthew Morris - Academia.edu

Hitler rsquo s Mufti by David G. Dalin Articles First Things

Hitler s Mufti The Dark Legacy of Haj Amin al-Husseini - Crisis Magazine

Amazon.com Icon of Evil Hitler s Mufti and the Rise of Radical Islam 9781400156719 David G. Dalin John F. Rothmann Michael Prichard Books

Amazon.com The Arabs and the Holocaust The Arab-Israeli War of Narratives eBook Gilbert Achcar Kindle Store

The Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Hussaini Founder of the Palestinian National ... - Z Elpeleg Shmuel Himelstein - Google Books

Reference Guide to the Nazis and Arabs During the Holocaust A Concise Guide ... - Google Books

The Mufti and the Fuehrer the rise and fall of Haj Amin el-Husseini - Joseph B. Schechtman - Google Books

The Holocaust Conspiracy An International Policy of Genocide - William R. Perl - Google Books

Crimes of the Holocaust The Law Confronts Hard Cases - Stephan Landsman - Google Books

Nazi Propaganda for the Arab World - Jeffrey Herf - Google Books

Thanks for that, but I did specify OBJECTIVE; the one's I've looked at so far tend to follow Zionist historiography. Nevertheless I'll rummage through them in case there's the odd nugget of credible information there.

 

[Challenger]

Now you link to a piece by Pamela Geller. Do you know who she is? Here's a hint. From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"Pamela Geller is the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead. She's relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims, such as that President Obama is the "love child" of Malcolm X. She makes no pretense of being learned in Islamic studies, leaving the argumentative heavy lifting to her Stop Islamization of America partner Robert Spencer. Geller has mingled comfortably with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists, defended Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps."

Pamela Geller Southern Poverty Law Center

So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid. You do realise that since the war in Serbia the USA have looked at the evidence and realised that it was the muslims doing all the murders. Would you like some of the less graphic pictures of muslim atrocities shown on here, or can you explain the many videos of beheadings by muslim thugs of Christians.
This is why you will never be seen as an unbiased person because you have a very strong bias in favour of islam and the muslims. You never look at the other side and just dismiss it as propaganda, then spout ISLAMONAZI blood libels and lies

So by your logic David Irving's words are valid and unbiased, way to go Phoney!

Now where did I post that, nice try wont fly. Stop trying to put words into my posts as it does not work, and it is the same as LYING

"So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid." Your words. It follows then that just because David Irving is anti-Semitic his words must also be valid. Not putting words into your mouth, just following your thought processes to their logical conclusions.

 

[Challenger]

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.

History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent

WHY ? because he is a muslim and the muslims have a history of being anti-Semitic Jew haters that have tried to wipe them out since the tribe at medina refused to worship Mohamed as god.

No they don't, at least no more than anyone else and for most of the time they've been philo-Semites; why else have so many Jewish people emigrated into Muslim lands throughout history. Oh, the Banu Qurayza had betrayed the Muslims of Mohammed in the first place so you can understand why he treated them harshly (but not by the standards of the time) and broke the traty then in force which stated amongst other things;

“In the name of Allah (The One True God) the Compassionate, the Merciful. This is a document from Muhammad, the Prophet, governing the relation between the Believers from among the Qurayshites (i.e., Emigrants from Mecca) and Yathribites (i.e., the residents of Medina) and those who followed them and joined them and strived with them. They form one and the same community as against the rest of men."

“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer."

“Whosoever among the Jews follows us shall have help and equality; they shall not be injured nor shall any enemy be aided against them.... No separate peace will be made when the Believers are fighting in the way of Allah.... The Believers shall avenge the blood of one another shed in the way of Allah ....Whosoever kills a Believer wrongfully shall be liable to retaliation; all the Believers shall be against him as one man and they are bound to take action against him."

“The Jews shall contribute (to the cost of war) with the Believers so long as they are at war with a common enemy. The Jews of Banu Najjar, Banu al-Harith, Banu Sa'idah, Banu Jusham, Banu al-Aws, Banu Tha'labah, Jafnah, and Banu al-Shutaybah enjoy the same rights and priviledges as the Jews of Banu Aws.

“The Jews shall maintain their own religion and the Muslims theirs. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The close friends of Jews are as themselves. None of them shall go out on a military expedition except with the permission of Muhammad, but he shall not be prevented from taking revenge for a wound.

“The Jews shall be responsible for their expenses and the Believers for theirs. Each, if attacked, shall come to the assistance of the other.

“The valley of Yathrib (Medina) shall be sacred and inviolable for all that join this Treaty. Strangers, under protection, shall be treated on the same ground as their protectors; but no stranger shall be taken under protection except with consent of his tribe....No woman shall be taken under protection without the consent of her family.

Whatever difference or dispute between the parties to this covenant remains unsolved shall be referred to Allah and to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Allah is the Guarantor of the piety and goodness that is embodied in this covenant. Neither the Quraysh nor their allies shall be given any protection.

“The contracting parties are bound to help one another against any attack on Yathrib. If they are called to cease hostilities and to enter into peace, they shall be bound to do so in the interest of peace; and if they make a similar demand on Muslims it must be carried out except when the war is agianst their religion.

“Allah approves the truth and goodwill of this covenant. This treaty shall not protect the unjust or the criminal. Whoever goes out to fight as well as whoever stays at home shall be safe and secure in this city unless he has perpetrated an injustice or commited a crime.... Allah is the protector of the good and God-fearing people.”

 

[Coyote]

...

Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.

Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents ​

(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -​

What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.

My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

Post 122 - your words

And this is the same thing that the Palestinians are hoping to achieve in the M.E. today the genocide of 6 million Jews because that is what their religion tells them they must do. They gave the idea to the Germans who saw how demonising the Jews and segregating them was a way to get the people behind them when they went on their quest for World Domination. The Palestinians self imposed leader sided with the German Riech and assisted in recruiting muslims to serve in the German army. In return he wanted the Germans to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine so he could become the new Caliph and rule as he wanted.

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

 

[Phoenall]

History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent

WHY ? because he is a muslim and the muslims have a history of being anti-Semitic Jew haters that have tried to wipe them out since the tribe at medina refused to worship Mohamed as god.

No they don't, at least no more than anyone else and for most of the time they've been philo-Semites; why else have so many Jewish people emigrated into Muslim lands throughout history. Oh, the Banu Qurayza had betrayed the Muslims of Mohammed in the first place so you can understand why he treated them harshly (but not by the standards of the time) and broke the traty then in force which stated amongst other things;

“In the name of Allah (The One True God) the Compassionate, the Merciful. This is a document from Muhammad, the Prophet, governing the relation between the Believers from among the Qurayshites (i.e., Emigrants from Mecca) and Yathribites (i.e., the residents of Medina) and those who followed them and joined them and strived with them. They form one and the same community as against the rest of men."

“No Believer shall oppose the client of another Believer. Whosoever is rebellious, or seeks to spread injustice, enmity or sedition among the Believers, the hand of every man shall be against him, even if he be a son of one of them. A Believer shall not kill a Believer in retaliation of an unbeliever, nor shall he help an unbeliever against a Believer."

“Whosoever among the Jews follows us shall have help and equality; they shall not be injured nor shall any enemy be aided against them.... No separate peace will be made when the Believers are fighting in the way of Allah.... The Believers shall avenge the blood of one another shed in the way of Allah ....Whosoever kills a Believer wrongfully shall be liable to retaliation; all the Believers shall be against him as one man and they are bound to take action against him."

“The Jews shall contribute (to the cost of war) with the Believers so long as they are at war with a common enemy. The Jews of Banu Najjar, Banu al-Harith, Banu Sa'idah, Banu Jusham, Banu al-Aws, Banu Tha'labah, Jafnah, and Banu al-Shutaybah enjoy the same rights and priviledges as the Jews of Banu Aws.

“The Jews shall maintain their own religion and the Muslims theirs. Loyalty is a protection against treachery. The close friends of Jews are as themselves. None of them shall go out on a military expedition except with the permission of Muhammad, but he shall not be prevented from taking revenge for a wound.

“The Jews shall be responsible for their expenses and the Believers for theirs. Each, if attacked, shall come to the assistance of the other.

“The valley of Yathrib (Medina) shall be sacred and inviolable for all that join this Treaty. Strangers, under protection, shall be treated on the same ground as their protectors; but no stranger shall be taken under protection except with consent of his tribe....No woman shall be taken under protection without the consent of her family.

Whatever difference or dispute between the parties to this covenant remains unsolved shall be referred to Allah and to Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah. Allah is the Guarantor of the piety and goodness that is embodied in this covenant. Neither the Quraysh nor their allies shall be given any protection.

“The contracting parties are bound to help one another against any attack on Yathrib. If they are called to cease hostilities and to enter into peace, they shall be bound to do so in the interest of peace; and if they make a similar demand on Muslims it must be carried out except when the war is agianst their religion.

“Allah approves the truth and goodwill of this covenant. This treaty shall not protect the unjust or the criminal. Whoever goes out to fight as well as whoever stays at home shall be safe and secure in this city unless he has perpetrated an injustice or commited a crime.... Allah is the protector of the good and God-fearing people.”

Yep bow down and worship me as god or be killed sayeth Mohamed. The tribe of Jews did not do anything but refuse to worship Mohamed and so they were massacred

 

[Phoenall]

Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents ​

(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -​

What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.

My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

Post 122 - your words

And this is the same thing that the Palestinians are hoping to achieve in the M.E. today the genocide of 6 million Jews because that is what their religion tells them they must do. They gave the idea to the Germans who saw how demonising the Jews and segregating them was a way to get the people behind them when they went on their quest for World Domination. The Palestinians self imposed leader sided with the German Riech and assisted in recruiting muslims to serve in the German army. In return he wanted the Germans to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine so he could become the new Caliph and rule as he wanted.

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

And Hitler had already read up on islam and seen how it worked, including the pact of Omar. This is almost word for word the Nuremburg laws.

 

[Coyote]

(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -​

What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.

My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

Post 122 - your words

And this is the same thing that the Palestinians are hoping to achieve in the M.E. today the genocide of 6 million Jews because that is what their religion tells them they must do. They gave the idea to the Germans who saw how demonising the Jews and segregating them was a way to get the people behind them when they went on their quest for World Domination. The Palestinians self imposed leader sided with the German Riech and assisted in recruiting muslims to serve in the German army. In return he wanted the Germans to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine so he could become the new Caliph and rule as he wanted.

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

And Hitler had already read up on islam and seen how it worked, including the pact of Omar. This is almost word for word the Nuremburg laws.

Islam, as a religion, does not include plans for a Jewish genocide. Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution and that isn't true. You have offered no evidence to support that. In fact the only evidence you offered was that the got the idea for yellow stars from the way Muslim countries identified Jews, however even that is vague because Medievil Catholic Europe also required Jews to wear visable identifiable markers.

 

[fanger]

Yep bow down and worship me as god or be killed sayeth Mohamed. The tribe of Jews did not do anything but refuse to worship Mohamed and so they were massacred

Where did you read that, or did you just make it up?

 

[Phoenall]

What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.

My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

Post 122 - your words

And this is the same thing that the Palestinians are hoping to achieve in the M.E. today the genocide of 6 million Jews because that is what their religion tells them they must do. They gave the idea to the Germans who saw how demonising the Jews and segregating them was a way to get the people behind them when they went on their quest for World Domination. The Palestinians self imposed leader sided with the German Riech and assisted in recruiting muslims to serve in the German army. In return he wanted the Germans to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine so he could become the new Caliph and rule as he wanted.

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

And Hitler had already read up on islam and seen how it worked, including the pact of Omar. This is almost word for word the Nuremburg laws.

Islam, as a religion, does not include plans for a Jewish genocide. Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution and that isn't true. You have offered no evidence to support that. In fact the only evidence you offered was that the got the idea for yellow stars from the way Muslim countries identified Jews, however even that is vague because Medievil Catholic Europe also required Jews to wear visable identifiable markers.

Here you go then

Hamas s genocide ideology



Quran 3:181

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985]

 

[Phoenall]

Yep bow down and worship me as god or be killed sayeth Mohamed. The tribe of Jews did not do anything but refuse to worship Mohamed and so they were massacred

Where did you read that, or did you just make it up?

In the hadiths that you muslims treat as throw aways when it does not suit, and as the word of god when it suits your purpose

 

[Coyote]

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

Post 122 - your words

And this is the same thing that the Palestinians are hoping to achieve in the M.E. today the genocide of 6 million Jews because that is what their religion tells them they must do. They gave the idea to the Germans who saw how demonising the Jews and segregating them was a way to get the people behind them when they went on their quest for World Domination. The Palestinians self imposed leader sided with the German Riech and assisted in recruiting muslims to serve in the German army. In return he wanted the Germans to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine so he could become the new Caliph and rule as he wanted.

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

And Hitler had already read up on islam and seen how it worked, including the pact of Omar. This is almost word for word the Nuremburg laws.

Islam, as a religion, does not include plans for a Jewish genocide. Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution and that isn't true. You have offered no evidence to support that. In fact the only evidence you offered was that the got the idea for yellow stars from the way Muslim countries identified Jews, however even that is vague because Medievil Catholic Europe also required Jews to wear visable identifiable markers.

Here you go then

Hamas s genocide ideology



Quran 3:181

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985]

I think this is called "flinging shit" to see if anything sticks.

Your claim was: Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution

Instead, you toss in a video on Hamas (which, in the scheme of billions of Muslims world wide) - amounts to a drop in the bucket.
Where is the evidence to support the claim that Hitler got his genocidal ideas for the Final Solution from the Mufti or from Muslims?

 

[abu afak]

Yep bow down and worship me as god or be killed sayeth Mohamed. The tribe of Jews did not do anything but refuse to worship Mohamed and so they were massacred

Where did you read that, or did you just make it up?

I'm a little baffled by your take/Lack of take.

Mohammed Killed, Cleansed, or Converted. the considerable amount of Jews in Mecca and Medina, (Perhaps Half the population in the latter) later Aqaba, and ALL of the Arabian Peninsula.
And all the Christians/Pagans too.
Mohammed was a Cleanser.

The Central Theme OF the Koran is PRETEXT to wipe out others.
"They insulted us", "They broke a treaty", etc

"Two religions may not dwell together on the Arabian Peninsula".
- Mohammed.

In fact, Hitler quipped Wished he was a Muslim, and said Christianity was too wimpy for him to do his dirty work.
He may well have been familiar with Islamic history and Mohammed's Cleansing of the Jews.
(someone tell Coyote too)
`

 

[fanger]

I'm not a Muslim, but I know enough about Islam to know No Muslim would dare to tell someone to "bow down and worship me as god" as phoney claims

 

[Challenger]

Yep bow down and worship me as god or be killed sayeth Mohamed. The tribe of Jews did not do anything but refuse to worship Mohamed and so they were massacred

Where did you read that, or did you just make it up?

I'm a little baffled by your take/Lack of take.

Mohammed Killed, Cleansed, or Converted. the considerable amount of Jews in Mecca and Medina, (Perhaps Half the population in the latter) later Aqaba, and ALL of the Arabian Peninsula.
And all the Christians/Pagans too.
Mohammed was a Cleanser.

The Central Theme OF the Koran is PRETEXT to wipe out others.
"They insulted us", "They broke a treaty", etc

"Two religions may not dwell together on the Arabian Peninsula".
- Mohammed.

In fact, Hitler quipped Wished he was a Muslim, and said Christianity was too wimpy for him to do his dirty work.
He may well have been familiar with Islamic history and Mohammed's Cleansing of the Jews.
(someone tell Coyote too)
`

Were there any Jewish people in Aqaba? as for Christians, "As a result of their help to Prophet Muhammad in his conquest of Arabia the Banu Taghlib were allowed to keep their Christian faith and their status as Arabs if they paid the Jizya and promised not to interfere in their preaching or propagation of Islam." Christianity in Saudi Arabia - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia By the time Mohammed appeared Paganism was all but extinct anyway, Arabia was a mish mash of Christianity, Judaism, Zorastrianism, Animism, etc. I suspect you read far too much Islamophobic and Zionist drivel based on modern Islamism as opposed to real historical works.

 

[Challenger]

I'm not a Muslim, but I know enough about Islam to know No Muslim would dare to tell someone to "bow down and worship me as god" as phoney claims

Yeah, contradicts the basic idea "there is no god but Allah" another piece of Phoney's baloney

 

[Phoenall]

No the claim made is that the Mufti had a hand in drawing up the plans, it was a concerted effort between many parties.

Post 122 - your words

And this is the same thing that the Palestinians are hoping to achieve in the M.E. today the genocide of 6 million Jews because that is what their religion tells them they must do. They gave the idea to the Germans who saw how demonising the Jews and segregating them was a way to get the people behind them when they went on their quest for World Domination. The Palestinians self imposed leader sided with the German Riech and assisted in recruiting muslims to serve in the German army. In return he wanted the Germans to eradicate all the Jews in Palestine so he could become the new Caliph and rule as he wanted.

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

And Hitler had already read up on islam and seen how it worked, including the pact of Omar. This is almost word for word the Nuremburg laws.

Islam, as a religion, does not include plans for a Jewish genocide. Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution and that isn't true. You have offered no evidence to support that. In fact the only evidence you offered was that the got the idea for yellow stars from the way Muslim countries identified Jews, however even that is vague because Medievil Catholic Europe also required Jews to wear visable identifiable markers.

Here you go then

Hamas s genocide ideology



Quran 3:181

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985]

I think this is called "flinging shit" to see if anything sticks.

Your claim was: Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution

Instead, you toss in a video on Hamas (which, in the scheme of billions of Muslims world wide) - amounts to a drop in the bucket.
Where is the evidence to support the claim that Hitler got his genocidal ideas for the Final Solution from the Mufti or from Muslims?

No my claim was the Nazis got the idea from islam and the muslims, the Mufti was just the icing on the cake. The evidence is there in the Koran, hadiths and the Islamic histories that islam had it as a command from Mohamed to kill the Jews

 

[Coyote]

Post 122 - your words

Hitler's concentration camp and genocidal plans were already in action by the time the Mufti collaborated with Hitler. The Mufti wanted Hitler to extend his anti-Jewish campaign to the Arab world and sought support for Arab unification and recognition.. Reading through this, it's clear the Mufti was a racist who hoped for Jewish genocide in Arab lands, but also that he was small potatoes in Hitlers genocidal ambitions and the Mufti's role is greatly inflated (most likely in an attempt to conflate the Palestinian cause with the Nazi's). The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

And Hitler had already read up on islam and seen how it worked, including the pact of Omar. This is almost word for word the Nuremburg laws.

Islam, as a religion, does not include plans for a Jewish genocide. Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution and that isn't true. You have offered no evidence to support that. In fact the only evidence you offered was that the got the idea for yellow stars from the way Muslim countries identified Jews, however even that is vague because Medievil Catholic Europe also required Jews to wear visable identifiable markers.

Here you go then

Hamas s genocide ideology



Quran 3:181

Sahih Muslim, Book 041, Number 6985]

I think this is called "flinging shit" to see if anything sticks.

Your claim was: Your claim was that the Mufti (and the Muslims) gave Hitler his idea for the Final Solution

Instead, you toss in a video on Hamas (which, in the scheme of billions of Muslims world wide) - amounts to a drop in the bucket.
Where is the evidence to support the claim that Hitler got his genocidal ideas for the Final Solution from the Mufti or from Muslims?

No my claim was the Nazis got the idea from islam and the muslims, the Mufti was just the icing on the cake. The evidence is there in the Koran, hadiths and the Islamic histories that islam had it as a command from Mohamed to kill the Jews

So you are claiming that the Nazi's got the idea for the Final Solution from Islam and the Muslims? Really now? What evidence do you have that that is where his idea of genocide came from?