UN special session on anti-Semitism

Now you link to a piece by Pamela Geller. Do you know who she is? Here's a hint. From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"Pamela Geller is the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead. She's relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims, such as that President Obama is the "love child" of Malcolm X. She makes no pretense of being learned in Islamic studies, leaving the argumentative heavy lifting to her Stop Islamization of America partner Robert Spencer. Geller has mingled comfortably with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists, defended Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps."

Pamela Geller Southern Poverty Law Center




So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid. You do realise that since the war in Serbia the USA have looked at the evidence and realised that it was the muslims doing all the murders. Would you like some of the less graphic pictures of muslim atrocities shown on here, or can you explain the many videos of beheadings by muslim thugs of Christians.
This is why you will never be seen as an unbiased person because you have a very strong bias in favour of islam and the muslims. You never look at the other side and just dismiss it as propaganda, then spout ISLAMONAZI blood libels and lies
 

"So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid."


If someone were a known/published antisemite, would you believe his/her words were valid.

There are Muslim thugs killing women and children by the thousands and there are Jewish Israeli thugs killing women and children by the thousands. Why can't you see both sides?

I am an unbiased neutral, neither Muslim nor Jewish,I almost always post fact from source documentation and on the rare occasion a news story.
 
Now you link to a piece by Pamela Geller. Do you know who she is? Here's a hint. From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

"Pamela Geller is the anti-Muslim movement's most visible and flamboyant figurehead. She's relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims, such as that President Obama is the "love child" of Malcolm X. She makes no pretense of being learned in Islamic studies, leaving the argumentative heavy lifting to her Stop Islamization of America partner Robert Spencer. Geller has mingled comfortably with European racists and fascists, spoken favorably of South African racists, defended Serbian war criminal Radovan Karadzic and denied the existence of Serbian concentration camps."

Pamela Geller Southern Poverty Law Center




So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid. You do realise that since the war in Serbia the USA have looked at the evidence and realised that it was the muslims doing all the murders. Would you like some of the less graphic pictures of muslim atrocities shown on here, or can you explain the many videos of beheadings by muslim thugs of Christians.
This is why you will never be seen as an unbiased person because you have a very strong bias in favour of islam and the muslims. You never look at the other side and just dismiss it as propaganda, then spout ISLAMONAZI blood libels and lies

So by your logic David Irving's words are valid and unbiased, way to go Phoney!
 
No they didn't.


Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.




History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart
No they didn't.


Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.




History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Geller's assertions, or rather Maurice Pearlman's (interesting he wrote his bok under a pseudonym) make much of Dieter Wisliceny's afidavit. Can anyone provide a link to the part of this afidavit where he accuses the Mufti?
 
Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.

>>In my opinion, the Grand Mufti, who has been in Berlin since 1941, played a role in the decision of the German government to exterminate the European Jews, the importance of which must not be disregarded. He has repeatedly suggested to the various authorities with whom he has been in contact, above all before Hitler, Ribbentrop and Himmler, the extermination of European Jewry. He considered this as a comfortable solution for the Palestine problem.

In his messages broadcast from Berlin, he surpassed us in anti-Jewish attacks. He was one of Eichmann's best friends and has constantly incited him to accelerate the extermination measures. I heard him say that, accompanied by Eichmann, he has visited incognito the gas chamber in Auschwitz."<<



History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart
Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.




History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Geller's assertions, or rather Maurice Pearlman's (interesting he wrote his bok under a pseudonym) make much of Dieter Wisliceny's afidavit. Can anyone provide a link to the part of this afidavit where he accuses the Mufti?
 
No they didn't.


Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.




History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent
 
Yes they did and the evidence is their in the records. They both used the same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings. They both introduced punitive taxation, what work they could do, what they could build etc.

No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.




History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Fisk....of course.
 
No they didn't. Prove the Nazis took the "same method of singling out various groups for special attention by the use of markings." from Muslims.




History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Fisk....of course.


and Brietbart.

and Pamela Geller.

Claim made - the Mufti/Muslims/Palestinians gave Hitler the idea for genocide.

Even the Jewish Virtual Library article on the Mufti doesn't claim that: The Mufti and the F hrer Jewish Virtual Library

Nasty vicious racist man - yes. But a drop in the Nazi bucket.
 
History of the Yellow Star

The oldest reference to using mandatory articles of clothing to identify and distinguish Jews from the rest of society was in 807 CE. In this year, Abbassid caliph Haroun al-Raschid ordered all Jews to wear a yellow belt and a tall, cone-like hat.1

That doesn't prove anything. You claimed or implied that the Palestinians give the idea of Jewish genocide to the Germans. They did not. Neither did Muslims.

The Mufti of Jerusalem Architect of the Holocaust - Breitbart

Dumping blame for the Holocaust on the Grand Mufti is an insult to its six million victims - Comment - Voices - The Independent

Fisk....of course.


and Brietbart.

Brietbart is just a news service, like the Independent. Geller is not unbias on her blog, but is a well regarded journalist beyond that.
Do you really need a list of other sources that show the Mufti's connection to the holocaust? there are several good books over the decades.
 

Brietbart is just a news service,
like the Independent. Geller is not unbias on her blog, but is a well regarded journalist beyond that.
Do you really need a list of other sources that show the Mufti's connection to the holocaust? there are several good books over the decades.



Pam Gellar is not.
 
Do you really need a list of other sources that show the Mufti's connection to the holocaust? there are several good books over the decades.

Yes please. Objective, historical works preferably, thanks

Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.
 

Brietbart is just a news service, like the Independent. Geller is not unbias on her blog, but is a well regarded journalist beyond that.
Do you really need a list of other sources that show the Mufti's connection to the holocaust? there are several good books over the decades.

Gellar is not a "well regarded" journalist. In fact, she's not a journalist at all. She's the equivalent of David Duke. The only reason people "like her" is she hates Muslims and feeds their conspiracy theory fears.

The argument is not that there is no connection, read what Phoenall claims before rushing to defend him. His claim is that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea of genocide. That is not true.
 
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Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.
Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
(JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents [/quote]

(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]
LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Further Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -
 
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Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.
Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents
(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -
[/QUOTE]

What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.
 
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Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.
Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents
(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -
What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.[/QUOTE]
My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`
 
...

Thing is, the argument isn't that there is a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's, that's not in dispute. The claim made by Phoenall was that the Mufti gave the idea of genocide to the Nazi's and that is false as is the idea that the Mufti played any sort of major role with the Nazi's. He was indicted for war crimes, for recruiting 20,000 Muslims to the SS and killing Jews in Croatia and Hungary.
Muftism and Nazism World War II Collaboration Documents
JPGs of documents included)

Muftism and Nazism: World War II
Collaboration Documents
(examples of Original correspondence)

1) U.S. Confirms Role of Mufti as Nazi Middle East Leader

OFFICE OF U.S. CHIEF OF COUNSEL
FOR PROSECUTION OF AXIS CRIMINALITY
No. 792-PS
17 September 1945
Source of Original OKW Files, Flensburg

[Excerpt]

LEADS: CANARIS, IBN SAUD, GRAND MUFTI.

SUMMARY OF RELEVANT POINTS (with page references):

1. Only through the funds made available by Germany to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem was it possible to carry out the revolt in Palestine. (Page 1).

2. Germany will keep up the connection with the Grand Mufti. Weapons will be stored for the Mufti with Ibn Saud in Arabia. (Page 2).

3. Ibn Saud himself has close connections with the Grand Mufti and the revolting circles in TransJordan. (Page 2).

4. To be able to carry out our work one of Germany's agents will be placed in Cairo (Page 3).

5. The document is undated but obviously written before the outbreak of the war in 1939. It is not signed.

Analyst Landmann Doc. No. 792-PS

Source:The Arab Higher Committee, Its Origins, Personnel and Purposes, The Documentary Record Submitted to The United Nations, May 1947, by Nations Associates

Furher Excerpts Include:

2) Summons to a Intifada Against Britain
A "Fatwa " Issued by Haj Amin al-Husseini10, May, 1941*
....
3) The Mufti's Diary on His Meeting with Hitler
[PHOTO]
....
4) Ribbentrop Promises Mufti to Destroy Jewish National Home

....
5) The Mufti Asks Arab Americans Not to Support FDR
....

6) Himmler to The Mufti
....

7) The Mufti Communicates Anger to Ribbentrop
for the Germans' Release of Jews in 1944

- - - -
What is your point here? No one is disputing that there was a connection between the Mufti and the Nazi's.
My point was to show the DEGREE of cooperation, which you Downplayed/minimlaized.
My point nicely documented the issue up your wazoo.
Of course, the Mufti wasn't Hitler himself!
What's YOUR point?

You always take the anti-cough-Israel position, and everyone knows it.
I despise your BS.
That's my point.
Just so we're clear.
`

The claim made was that the Mufti gave the Nazi's the idea for genocide. True or false?
 
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"So because she is anti muslim her words are not valid."

If someone were a known/published antisemite, would you believe his/her words were valid.

There are Muslim thugs killing women and children by the thousands and there are Jewish Israeli thugs killing women and children by the thousands. Why can't you see both sides?

I am an unbiased neutral, neither Muslim nor Jewish,I almost always post fact from source documentation and on the rare occasion a news story.



Not if they were anti-Semitic in content no, just like yours which are constantly anti Jew, Anti Israel and anti Zionist ( still waiting for your definition after 1 month of asking )
If you were unbiased you would see that the Palestinians have ethnically cleansed the Christians from Palestine and stop blaming Israel for it. Just as you would see the incitement to violence coming from hamas and fatah and the terrorist attacks on Israeli children. But all you do is claim they are propaganda against Palestine and that the evidence is all fabricated.

I do see both sides, and I see the Jews fighting for their survival every day. I see the Palestinians skulking about looking for Israeli children to murder enabled by crass supporters like yourself. At the same time I see the damage done by extremist Israeli Jewish groups that should be outlawed and their leaders arrested and thrown in jail. I see the mistakes made by the Israeli government in not responding quickly and decisively enough to Palestinian terrorist attacks and propaganda attacks in the UN. I see the Israeli's trying to smooth things out with the UN instead of turning round and telling them to sort out the Palestinian terrorists or forget Israel is a member. See the UN deal with such a public outburst in its usual manner of mimicking an Ostrich until the next Palestinian started war and Israel tells the UN to deal with its member states and not with the states that will no longer be racially abused by the UN.
 

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