UH OH Spaghetti Oh! Hansen says the temps have been flat!

[Saigon]

SSDD, Wailing Wall -

Feel free to address the points raised.

a socialist education.

I'd very much like to see this explained, as well!

 

[Oddball]

SSDD -

For any kind of meaningful debate to take place - even on discussion forums - there needs to be some basic standard of honesty, intellectual merit and subject knowledge in place.

Suggesting that oil companies willingly attacked their own products in order to make financial gains proves to be that you are well below any such standard. Defend it all you like, but the very idea is simply childish. If there is any possible response other than laughter, I can't think of it.

When you're ready to supply any of that, get back to us.

 

[RollingThunder]

SSDD -

For any kind of meaningful debate to take place - even on discussion forums - there needs to be some basic standard of honesty, intellectual merit and subject knowledge in place.

Suggesting that oil companies willingly attacked their own products in order to make financial gains proves to be that you are well below any such standard. Defend it all you like, but the very idea is simply childish. If there is any possible response other than laughter, I can't think of it.

When you're ready to supply any of that, get back to us.

That's pretty funny coming from a deranged screwball who has never posted anything but retarded drivel and meaningless nonsense.

Get back to us when you manage to grow a brain.

 

[polarbear]

Wailing Wall & SSDD -

Really? How exactly will the regs "destroy" their industry

I am genuinely surprised you both have to ask, but since you do -

At once stage Shell owned the single largest CO2 emissions site on earth. Shell, BP and Chevron are each amongst the companies in the world most directly responsible for emitting CO2. Releasing CO2 is what they do, it's the nature of their business. It's much like the tobacco industry and cancer in that there is simply no way they can simply avoid producing what they produce. Where there is oil, there is CO2.

When climate change first hit the headlines they denied it, and carried on business as usual.

It was only after 20 years and a lot of vicious internal fighting that first one and then the other conceded that the science was so insurmountable that they could no longer deny it. One thing we can be sure of - if it was in any way possile to deny clmate, they would absolutely continue to do. By admitting that CO2 is responsible, they open themselves up to law suits, to protests, and to threats from new and cleaner fuels and engine technologies. Do you think an oil company would really be happy about the release of the Toyota Prius?

Since then they have spent millions improving their refineries, and millions more researching alternative fuels to petrol. They may one day recoup some of their losses by selling these products - or maybe not. (I think biogas produed from algae is a reach, myself.) They are businesses, and have to make money, after all.

Climate change presents an enormous challenge to oil companies, and I take my hat off to them that they have had the courage and honesty to (eventually) accept scientific reality.

Guys - this is purely and imply about intellectual merit and honesty. If I were you I'd think quite carefully about the amount of science it must have taken for oil companies to accept that they are partially responsible for climate change - they were probably the last major organisations on earth who would deny it.

You are one delusional individual you know that! Let's see, would I, as a wealthy oil company, be willing to invest a few million dollars to make billions? Hmmmmm, let me think about this....hmmmmm......YES! I would do that. Wouldn't you?

Not just delusional but also psychotically hostile like all these Leninist Marxist dimwits, towards the very system that allows him to exist and supplies the technology without which he`d be sucking reindeer udders for his daily sustenance in Finland. Do the fishing fleets in Finland use row & sailboats or are they Diesel powered ?
And the other crap about the Oil industry...it`s pretty clear he does not read any papers:
Wertvollstes Unternehmen der Welt: Ölriese Exxon macht 45 Milliarden Dollar Gewinn - Seite 13

Wertvollstes Unternehmen der Welt: Ölriese Exxon macht 45 Milliarden Dollar Gewinn

Es ist der zweithöchste Gewinn in der Geschichte des Kapitalismus.

"Milliarden" are "short" billions,...and Exxon just made a $ 45 billion profit,...the second highest profit ever made in the history of capitalism.

Much to the chagrin of these anti- industrial anti- free enterprise left threaded wingnuts who demand their imaginary & outrageous entitlements and label all profit as "dirty" or "dishonest"...while the very same profits prop up the finance system their lives depend on.
Every health-, unemployment-, disability-,old age-, flood-, fire- , house- and auto insurance is depending on such corporations to make such profits and invest in corporations like Exxon etc., else they would all go bankrupt or all the benefits these socialist "occupy wall street" dickheads could collect would be the payments they made...It would be funny to watch...and like in Greece, it won`t matter how the Unions scream and how many cars the street mobs are burning...all You would get is what You paid in..hey I would be all for that, because after childhood I never did need a nanny state to look after me...and even though I`m 68 now I still don`t..!!

As far as the cost of refining is concerned, that has ALWAYS been passed on IN ADVANCE to the consumer who demanded lead- and sulfur free fuel.
That`s the way ANY business works, except maybe in a Reindeer milk & cheese factory in Finland run by hippies.