U.S. and Israel ongoing relationship

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    Evidently folks in the White House were particularly upset with Bibi's use of the phrase, "I expected to hear." I think this is a good measure of where the relationship has gone over the past 40 years.

    Israel used to be a very poor country that depended on the US for aid, which was key to her survival. Now Israel is a developed country, with little debt compared to the US and Europe and is attracting foreign investment in its technology-based industries and is itself an arms exporter.

    So the question is where does the relationship go from here. Even right wing people must wince at Bibi's disrespect for the institution of the Presidency, let alone President Obama himself. Yet Israel collects $3b annually in foreign military aid.

    Here is a novel thought: Maybe it is in Israel's best interest to reject the aid and purchase the weapons outright. The GDP ($217B) can easily support it and by rejecting the aid, it would put itself on a more equal footing with the US and other world powers as it asserts its perceived interests--such as foot-dragging over a Palestinian state. Moreover, it will give the US some distance so that the US strategic interest is not jeopardized by right wing Israeli policies.

    As a side note, I am for the plan outlined by Obama, but I think this is irrelevant to the questions I have raised.
     
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    Can't help that. It's plainly evident that since the US has become the biggest muslim country the level of intelligence in the White house is experiencing a significant drop.
    Now America is a poor country, dependent on the chinese for aid, which is key to its survival.
    And then we have pelistanians and other general arabs still dreaming of plundering it all, instead of getting a life and a job, of course.
    Either America stops being the biggest muslim country in the world, or goes on, being one. Simple really.
    Maybe, but then again they couldn't have imagined they'd have sunk so low.
    So does Egypt as part of the US security guarantees built into the peace accords between Israel and Egypt by Jimmy Carter. So, so what?
    Cool, and since it'll result in serious Obama butt-stomping from the military-industrial guys behind the curtains over the military-industrial welfare too, it's a win-win.
     
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    I agree with you that military aid to Israel is more about funding the military industrial welfare state than anything else.

    Egypt is funded at $2B so that it does not attack Israel, therefore this can be counted as aid to Israel as well.
     
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    So you admitt Israel has a death warrant signed by Arab countries?
     
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    So, arabs don't really have to complain, of course.
     
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    Most the "AID" we give to Isreal is really PORK we give to our arms merchants.

    In fact, when you look more closely at most of the "AID" we give to most nations, what you discover is that it is really PORK we're giving to some cronny corporation.
     
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    Do you really mean what you say here? I mean, grouping all Arab countries together. Is Syria the same as Jordan?

    Israel is not a weak country, it has a developed economy and it could fund its own arms purchases and if the arms were purchased from Europe, Russia and China as well, Israel would have more "friends" on the UN Security Council and China might be less willing to carry Iran's water.

    Moreover, Israel is strong enough that it doesn't need to be told what to do by the US. By rejecting the aid (in a nice way), Israel would be in a much stronger position diplomatically.

    What was that about a death warrant?
     
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    You did ay this impling without the money Egypt would still be fighting Israel.


    You're right but friends do not stab other friends in the back. America is strong but we cannot not fight the whole world alone., Israel is alone now.
     
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    It does strike me as very peculiar we are bribing the kilkenny cats to leave each other alone.
     
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    Israel seems like the spoiled child that is tired of living under the hegemony of mom and dad (see Scott Evil).

    Part of the peace deal of camp david involved American aid to Egypt. The money that flowed provided a good argument to those inside Egypt to not join other Arab countries in fighting Israel.

    If Israel needs the US so much, then their leaders should behave more respectfully to our President. My theory is they don't need the US and this is why they behave disrespectfully.
     
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