Two Threats: School Vouchers & Homeschooling

[Boatswain2PA]

Depends what you call extreme leftist. Ex navy or still serving? I did a hitch in the 60's.

Neither. Not a squid, but I'm retired.

The push to mainstream homosexual behavior in our society is a priority of the American leftist. Pres Clinton did "don't ask, don't tell". Pres Obama, who is much farther left than Pres Clinton, did away with that and legalized homosexuality in the military. American Academia, from which our President comes from, is leftist. Furthermore, they use their position to indoctrinate our children on leftist ideology. This news story is but one of many examples.

You may choose to overlook it, but it's blatantly obvious.

 

[Flanders]

Then lets let corporations run education.

To initforme: Now you got it. Public education should teach the three R’s and nothing more. The minute you go beyond that you’re into brainwashing, indoctrination, and propaganda. Let corporations and entire industries pay for their own training programs. Not only do they get a free ride, they import students who are educated by American taxpayers.

Btw, you might start with the entertainment industry’s training programs.

American Academia, from which our President comes from, is leftist. Furthermore, they use their position to indoctrinate our children on leftist ideology. This news story is but one of many examples.

You may choose to overlook it, but it's blatantly obvious.

To Boatswain2PA: With the exception of FDR who is in a category all by himself, the presidents who did the most damage to this country all came from the academy. Wilson, LBJ, Clinton, and Barack Taqiyya. Add in some others like J. W. Fulbright (Clinton’s mentor) and you’ll see that everything destroying this country today can be laid on the academy’s doorstep. And just for good measure checkout the revolving door between the federal government and institutions of “higher learning.”

 

[Flanders]

You’d have to laugh if this story wasn’t so frightening. The best Hollywood screen writers cannot invent this stuff:

Porn professor goes berserk on campus
Allegedly assaults teen girl exercising free speech
Published: 10 hours ago
JOE KOVACS

Porn professor goes berserk on campus

 

[initforme]

The thing is I really don't trust industry because they are going to try to educate with the lowest costs..which in my mind is horrible business practice. You see, its all about quality. I don't think an industry cares about education. They are only worried about profit. Once money becomes the sole issue, quality immediately suffers. I guess if an industry is willing to pay a good teacher a lot more than they are making now it makes sense. and anyone who says "for only 9 months of work" is a complete liar completely taken in by a corrupt corporate system

 

[Boatswain2PA]

The thing is I really don't trust industry because they are going to try to educate with the lowest costs..which in my mind is horrible business practice. You see, its all about quality. I don't think an industry cares about education. They are only worried about profit. Once money becomes the sole issue, quality immediately suffers.

But you are forgetting the parent choice part of a school voucher system that forces schools to compete against each other for their "customer's" vouchers/money. Some schools would do as you say...educate with the lowest cost, and greatest profit, in mind. These schools would be like prison/day care...kinda like many urban public schools today. However there would also be many schools that spent the money on ACTUALLY improving the education of their students so that they would draw more parents in.

Look at the automotive industry....why did the Yugo fail? It was a cheap but crappy car, so nobody bought it. Not many people buy the bottom line car from any manufacturer, most buy the middle of the line car. The same thing would happen with education if we went with a voucher system. Parents would have a CHOICE of what school is best for THEIR kids instead of being pigeonholed into whatever school the USD forces them into.

 

[Flanders]

The thing is I really don't trust industry because they are going to try to educate with the lowest costs..which in my mind is horrible business practice. You see, its all about quality. I don't think an industry cares about education. They are only worried about profit. Once money becomes the sole issue, quality immediately suffers. I guess if an industry is willing to pay a good teacher a lot more than they are making now it makes sense. and anyone who says "for only 9 months of work" is a complete liar completely taken in by a corrupt corporate system

To initforme: The public purse should not be used to increase incomes for anybody except legitimate —— AND NECESSARY —— civil servants. In fact, America’s greatness began its decline after highly-organized educators used the XVI Amendment to create the parasite class with themselves as the most voracious parasites of all.

The NTA began organizing teachers 1857. By 1900 they had settled on incrementalism as opposed to violent revolution which has always been the only difference between Socialists and Communists:

1857. "'The NEA...started out in 1857 as the National Teachers Association founded by forty-three educators in Philadelphia. Now the largest educational association in the world, the National Teachers Association was founded 'to elevate the character and advance the interest of the teaching profession, and to promote the cause of popular education in the United States." It "didn't allow men who taught in private schools to be members."[5] University of Notre Dame

1870. The National Teachers Association merged with the National Association of School Superintendents and the American Normal School Association to become known as the NEA. Membership was broadened to include "any person in any way connected with the world of education."[2] Sam Blumenfeld, page 20. The broad range of special interests and social goals within the membership led to the creation of numerous departments within the NEA -- and later to countless organizational spin-offs that shared the NEA philosophy.

The Socialist Vision and Global Connections of the NEA

Chronology of the NEA​

You might try balancing your objections to corporations against the great harm done by Socialist educators. A fairminded person should conclude that the scale tips against the education industry. If you dispute my claim that the education industry is responsible for all the harm done to this country, I would love see a few items of good the education industry claims credit for. Note that I am talking about good for the country, not just good for a specific group at the expense of everybody else.

Finally, if you do not read the above link. I hope you will at least learn about this terrible man who preached collectivism while enriching and empowering Socialists.

John Dewey: Bosom Serpent of American Education
Kelly OConnell Sunday, February 24, 2013

John Dewey: Bosom Serpent of American Education

 

[Boatswain2PA]

I asked you for any proof of what you said? Course description, course name, name of school. Anything but just throwing out these wild statements. It was post #4 in this thread.

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Is this crazy enough for you? The leftist, statist, and racist culture in academia is pervasive.

 

[initforme]

"To initforme: The public purse should not be used to increase incomes for anybody except legitimate —— AND NECESSARY —— civil servants. In fact, America’s greatness began its decline after highly-organized educators used the XVI Amendment to create the parasite class with themselves as the most voracious parasites of all."

Yes yes all those people are parasites. So people who work for the public should not receive decent incomes. I get it now.

 

[Flanders]

"To initforme: The public purse should not be used to increase incomes for anybody except legitimate —— AND NECESSARY —— civil servants. In fact, America’s greatness began its decline after highly-organized educators used the XVI Amendment to create the parasite class with themselves as the most voracious parasites of all."

Yes yes all those people are parasites. So people who work for the public should not receive decent incomes. I get it now.

To initforme: The market should determine the incomes of those employees who work for legitimate government contractors —— not simple access to the public purse. The goods and services legitimate suppliers provide can be closely monitored by congressional committees. Nobody can monitor the money that goes to the education industry. In fact, that money is in the form of subsidies aside from being unconstitutional.

 

[initforme]

So how will you attract those who would be really effective teachers? Hopefully the market at least, at least doubles the salaries for good teachers to retain them so that you can pull them out of the private sector where they have a ton more earning potential. That's if you want to get rid of them all. Then you have to assume if that is not the case that there are some people who could be really good teachers will want to sacrifice for their country and the youth of the nation for less pay than they could make in the private sector. I am not saying we don't need reform but to put it in industry's hands means they would try to do it for the least amount possible which points to low low quality. Its a catch 22. Are you saying that those who are proved to be really really good teachers should think about teaching to help their country?

 

[Flanders]

So how will you attract those who would be really effective teachers?

To initforme: I don’t. The public education system teaching the three R’s and nothing more will attract more than enough good teachers to fill the needs for a solid foundation in language and math.

Hopefully the market at least, at least doubles the salaries for good teachers to retain them

To initforme: The public purse is not the market. Public purse teachers is the very opposite of:

laissez faire also laisser faire(noun)

1. An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.

2. Noninterference in the affairs of others.

Btw, a system of private schools beyond the three R’s —— WITH NO ACCESS TO TAX DOLLARS —— will guarantee higher pay for the best.

so that you can pull them out of the private sector where they have a ton more earning potential.

To initforme: That’s absurd. People go where they can earn the most. Many teachers leave teaching for higher incomes in other fields.

That's if you want to get rid of them all.

To initforme: Only from the public purse.

Then you have to assume if that is not the case that there are some people who could be really good teachers will want to sacrifice for their country and the youth of the nation for less pay than they could make in the private sector.

To initforme: I assume nothing. I know that teachers DO NOT do what they do for the good of the country unless they believe that indoctrinating children into the joys of Socialism is good for the country.

I am not saying we don't need reform but to put it in industry's hands means they would try to do it for the least amount possible which points to low low quality.

To initforme: See my previous comments.

Its a catch 22. Are you saying that those who are proved to be really really good teachers should think about teaching to help their country?

To initforme: You’re going in circles. Research my messages for further replies. I’m getting off:

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