Two sides to every coin: Kim Davis

[bodecea]

Un-register, please, for the sake of the poor Dems...

Well the tens of millions of us who have the same opinion on gay marriage will sort of unregister in that we will be crossover voting in 2016, just like 2014..well...only now worse because you've jailed one of us for our opinion on the matter.

She's in jail for contempt and I know the numbers. The number of Americans who still think as you do matters not in this case. Homophobic Dems are as rare as Pro-Choice Repubs...

Lol Hillary and Obama both said they were against gay marriage when running for president.

Did they really change their minds?

Or did they get tons of lobbying money?

You don't think people change their minds over time? What is interesting that people like you want to ignore is that now, when politicians declare they are FOR legal gay marriage, it is a plus with the voting populace...not a negative like it would have been 20 years ago. What does THAT show you?

I think money changed their minds.

Deep in their soul I think Obama and Hillary feel sorry for gays, pity them, in a condescending way.

Wow. Just wow. You think that a political move to support equal marriage rights is over pity. Just wow.

 

[Cecilie1200]

actually, the clerks that issued the same sex licenses were doing their jobs.

Before Prop 8 was struck down? Surely not. They were disobeying the law. But they got a pass huh?

Don't you know that the law is whatever leftists say it is, and there is therefore no way that it can be legal to oppose them, or illegal to agree with them?

 

[Cecilie1200]

When Prop 8 was in effect in California, you had clerks outrightly ignoring the law by marrying gay couples. There were no consequences, but they violated the law nonetheless. Liberals hailed them as heroes.

When the Supreme Court upheld the right of citizens to bear arms, clerks in Washington DC refused to issue gun permits. Once again, no consequences, and once again, they broke the law and liberals hailed it as an act of courage.

Those states which passed legislation legalizing marijuana did so in the face of established federal laws banning marijuana use. No consequences. None.

When Kate Steinle was murdered San Francisco, it was made clear that the city was one of dozens of "sanctuary cities" across America that do not enforce Federal immigration law. Once again, no consequences. No nothing. Someone died because of the willful noncompliance, because the city chose to let the murderer go instead of handing him over to federal custody. Yet liberals hail these kinds of places. Why?

And then ultimately there's Obama, who completely ignores the Supreme Court and therefore the US Constitution in general, and suffers no consequences for such behavior.

But when we get to the lowly clerk in Kentucky, suddenly the law applies. As it should. I happen to hold both sides accountable to the law. Laws are legal until they are struck down or stayed pending an appeal or what have you and anyone who is anyone should be made to obey the law. Not a difficult concept.

I know, I know, "in Nazi Germany, what Hitler did was legal" and all, but we are not nor will we ever be a country ruled by a genocidal megalomaniac. A great deal (but not all) of our laws are justified and rooted in precedent.

Here's the thing. We are a nation of laws. When we become a nation of men, we are done. Finished. The great experiment will fail. Kim Davis should still uphold her oath and obey the law, and we should hold that same expectation for all government officials instead of looking the other way when they don't.

Man should obey the law, not make the law obey man.

The problem is that the clerk was elected to her position by the people. It is HER office. Legally speaking, those other clerks in HER office work for HER. I venture that any marriage license issued by anyone other than that duly elected clerk is null and void if issued without her permission. These gay and lesbians who are getting these marriage licenses are really not legally married folks because the licenses they were issued were not issued under HER auspices with her blessings.

Yes, it's already been stated by several people that the clerks in her office have no power to issue licenses without her approval. Simply cannot be done. That's why they have to force her to knuckle under.

Well, that and to provide an object lesson to anyone stupid enough to think this is still a free country instead of a theocracy ruled by the religion of leftism.

 

[TemplarKormac]

actually, the clerks that issued the same sex licenses were doing their jobs.

Before Prop 8 was struck down? Surely not. They were disobeying the law. But they got a pass huh?

Don't you know that the law is whatever leftists say it is, and there is therefore no way that it can be legal to oppose them, or illegal to agree with them?

Nope. My head was in a deep, dark place. I had to go up and around a corner to get there.

(snickers).

 

[Cecilie1200]

The law comes from man. It's not as simple as you make it out to be.

Yes it is.

Law comes from men who refuse to let their instincts and emotions to dictate otherwise. And then there men are men who ignore the law and regards it as secondary to his interests or viewpoints.

Man is consistently fallible, as are all laws. Your belief in "purity" of the law is naive.

That's funny, coming from someone who wants to replace the rule of law with the rule of man. By your own statement, you're advocating an even worse system. But you don't care, do you, because you're just SURE that the superiority of you and your brethren will make it okay.

 

[GWV5903]

Gavin Newsome and San Francisco won in court.

Link?

 

[JoeB131]

The Marxists were always declaring history was on their side. They were always crowing about their inevitable victory. How did that work out?

Not sure how you conflate "Marxism" with discrimination against gay people.

Here's the real reason why this issue is over. Most of us know at least one gay person. They are even in our families. When you get past the "I think it's icky" and "My Magic Friend in the Sky thinks it's wrong" arguments, you homophobes really don't have a rational argument.

Even young conservatives shrug their shoulders at you old folks who get all upset about the gays

 

[NYcarbineer]

The two sides of this coin in the OP are

Heads - Kim Davis

Tails - trying to change the subject.

 

[Seawytch]

I never support disobeying a law, I support changing ones I disagree with.

So you opposed the clerks who married gays before gay marriage was dictated by the courts?

Nope...already said that civil disobedience for good is something I support while civil disobedience for evil I don't. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, even for you.

 

[NYcarbineer]

David, it was nice knowing you, but you have graduated to my ignore list.

Translation: oh Dave you are just too dang hard to debate.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Great article:

Kim Davis Uproar Shows How Lawlessness Is Only Okay When Liberals Do It

All the same sex marriages sanctioned by Mayor Newsom in California were nulled and voided by the courts.

California Supreme Court Rules Same-Sex Marriages Null And Void

Once again, the rule of law ultimately prevailed.

Yes it did,but the point ,that is the hypocrisy show by the left,you support for them is no different than the right supporting Davis at least be honest with yourself.

You are correct...We support civil disobedience in the pursuit of good and oppose it in the pursuit of evil.

So just don't pretend your issue is supporting the law, it clearly isn't. I think she should be fired, but my standards don't constantly change like yours do

Why try to make this about the poster?

 

[GWV5903]

Great article:

Kim Davis Uproar Shows How Lawlessness Is Only Okay When Liberals Do It

Gavin Newsome and San Francisco won in court. Kim Davis lost - repeatedly.

So no link to this story?

It appears you're claim is wrong?

I understand the Newsome administration thought they were above the law...

 

[GWV5903]

Great article:

Kim Davis Uproar Shows How Lawlessness Is Only Okay When Liberals Do It

Gavin Newsome and San Francisco won in court. Kim Davis lost - repeatedly.

Oh wait he did get right...

S.F. mayor shifts policy on illegal offenders

What was that about court decisions?

 

[Cecilie1200]

I never support disobeying a law, I support changing ones I disagree with.

So you opposed the clerks who married gays before gay marriage was dictated by the courts?

Nope...already said that civil disobedience for good is something I support while civil disobedience for evil I don't. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, even for you.

Translated, this means "Civil disobedience is like rights: only the people I agree with should have it!"

Again with the leftist hypocritical double standard.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I never support disobeying a law, I support changing ones I disagree with.

So you opposed the clerks who married gays before gay marriage was dictated by the courts?

Nope...already said that civil disobedience for good is something I support while civil disobedience for evil I don't. It's not a difficult concept to grasp, even for you.

Translated, this means "Civil disobedience is like rights: only the people I agree with should have it!"

Again with the leftist hypocritical double standard.

Martin Luther King went to jail for civil disobedience.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You can tell that the RWnuts have given up defending Davis by the way they've all now tried to make it about liberals somewhere, somehow, some time.

 

[Debra K]

You have to love when this stuff can be thrown back at these self-righteous people putting down this lady and to think: it's ALL OVER a freaking piece of paper. here they say, throw her in jail and throw the key away. hell one person wanted to make an example of her. I had visions of them wanting to bury her in a hole up to her neck and stoning her to death, Our society has become hateful and downright vicious all over a piece of PAPER

Your hysteria is a "ridiculously stupid". You're condemning society as "hateful and downright vicious" based on your own hysterical visions. That woman is not in any danger of being buried in a hole up to her neck or being stoned to death. If possible, try to be rational.

If the issue is simply "over a freaking piece of paper" as you allege, then Kim Davis should just hand that piece of paper over to qualified applicants. It's that simple. Her refusal to do so, however, violates the civil rights of the people she serves. She then violated the court's order telling her to stop violating other people's civil rights. The court placed in her jail because she willfully disobeyed a court order. She is the self-righteous person who is violating the law and a court order. Be mad at her and not her victims.

Do you like the Fox News channel? If so, check this out:

Fox News panel concludes that Kim Davis’ lawyer is ‘ridiculously stupid’

 

[Thunderbird]

Not sure how you conflate "Marxism" with discrimination against gay people.

Homosexual fanatics often seem to ape Marxists who believe in historical inevitability.

Here's the real reason why this issue is over. Most of us know at least one gay person. They are even in our families.

To homosexual activists: We don't hate you we just don't want to be forced to celebrate the lifestyle that is killing you.

When you get past the "I think it's icky" and "My Magic Friend in the Sky thinks it's wrong" arguments, you homophobes really don't have a rational argument.

Absurd. Societies around the world, both religious and secular, have failed to celebrate the homosexual lifestyle. Only ridiculous decadent dying societies embrace homosexuality as it is associated with pedophilia, deadly diseases, and a low birthrate.

Only freedom-hating societies force people to celebrate this lifestyle.

Check these out:

Mennonite couple files counter-lawsuit in fear of being forced to host same-sex weddings

Legislators tell school kids to celebrate homosexuality

As a liberal do you believe in freedom? Yes or no?

And consider this: 13 Gay Bakeries Refuse to Make Traditional Marriage Cake With the Message: 'Gay Marriage Is Wrong'

Do these bakers have the right to refuse?

Even young conservatives shrug their shoulders at you old folks who get all upset about the gays

Fashions go in and out of style.

Our elites enjoy imposing their latest fashion for self-destruction - the LGBT lifestyle - as much as they love pseudo-transgressive Marxish posturing.

Why serve the decadent plutocrats?

Billionaire Jennifer/James Pritzker

 

[Thunderbird]

Article from the liberal NYT: We Don’t Need Kim Davis to Be in Jail

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Article from the liberal NYT: We Don’t Need Kim Davis to Be in Jail

We need her to either do her job, quit her job, or not interfere with others doing her job...

And: Fox News panel concludes that Kim Davis’ lawyer is ‘ridiculously stupid’

And:

"Ryan T. Anderson is a senior research fellow at the Heritage Foundation and the author of “Truth Overruled: The Future of Marriage and Religious Freedom.”

Nuff said...