Turkey shoots down Russian warplane

[Sbiker]

By the way- looking at the map- the area the Russian plane was shot down in is not controlled by ISIS

You mean, we saw the real face of "moderate opposition" at video of russian pilots execution?

 

[Sbiker]

Meanwhile anyone notice that American second tier fighters, piloted by Turks, had no trouble downing a Russian fighter- flown by Russians?

Yes, the beliefs of Russian pilots in alliance agreement with US was wrong... It seems US has no power to keep their promises...

 

[Contumacious]

Wow......an amazing display of support for freedom and democracy loving Russia here.

Meanwhile anyone notice that American second tier fighters, piloted by Turks, had no trouble downing a Russian fighter- flown by Russians?

Their pilots were on strike missions against ISIS..............Even if they went into Turkish air space momentarily they shouldn't have shot them down as it could end up provoking a larger war..............It's freaking stupid.

Assuming for a moment that Turkey is accurately reporting what happened- Turkey warned the Russian pilots for 5 minutes that they were in Turkish airspace- again assuming that Turkey is being honest

But frankly I don't trust either Turkey or Russia to be honest in this matter.

By the way- looking at the map- the area the Russian plane was shot down in is not controlled by ISIS- so who were the Russians attacking there?

http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Iraq SITREP 2015-11-19.pdf

Syriusly?


PUTIN: TURKEY IS AN ACCOMPLICE OF ISIS


Since the earliest months of the Syrian war, Turkey has had more direct involvement and more at stake than any of the regional states lined up against Bashar al-Assad.

Turkish borders have been the primary thoroughfare for fighters of all kinds to enter Syria. Its military bases have been used to distribute weapons and to train rebel fighters. And its frontier towns and villages have taken in almost one million refugees.

Turkey’s international airports have also been busy. Many, if not most, of the estimated 15,000-20,000 foreign fighters to have joined Islamic State (Isis) have first flown into Istanbul or Adana, or arrived by ferry along its Mediterranean coast.

The influx has offered fertile ground to allies of Assad who, well before a Turkish jet shot down a Russian fighter on Tuesday, had enabled, or even supported Isis. Vladimir Putin’s reference to Turkey as “accomplices of terrorists” is likely to resonate even among some of Ankara’s backers."

 

[longknife]

Here is exactly the reason why the US should be concerned about Turkey

And not just for ISIL but our presence in the area.

It should be noted that ISIL is transporting their oil through Aleppo on west across Turkish soil to ports on the Med. This is how they're making money and the Turks know and approve of it.

 

[easyt65]

"This is not in the best interest of the US..."
- That has 'Obama' written all over it......

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...meanwhile the NATO Commander wants to know from the Turks they the hell they 'poked the Bear':

"NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?"
LINK: NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?

The answer is pretty obvious really -- Last week Putin exposed Turkey's funding of ISIS operations through their Black Market oil dealings with ISIS, which funds 50% of their operations, AND (appropriately) accused them of supporting ISIS.

After the Paris attacks France and Russia destroyed over 1,000 oil tanker trucks. When the Russia plane crossed into Turkey, albeit briefly, the Turks were probably worried Russia was looking for ISIS/Turkish oil tankers to bomb...not to mention being pissed for their 'sweet' oil deal being exposed.

 

[easyt65]

AND YES, TURKEY IS / HAS BEEN SUPPORTING ISIS by engaging in their 'sweet' little Black Market oil deal, which the Russians exposed last week.

Yeah, Turkey may have been 'fighting' ISIS (even though they are more interested in fighting the Kurds), but this is MONEY, this is 'BUSINESS'!

SERIOUSLY, no one wondered to WHOM ISIS was selling all of that oil, wondering where those 1,500+ (ONE THOUSAND FIVE HUNDRED PLUS) oil-filled tanker trucks Obama wouldn't let anyone bomb was going?

A little simple surveillance on the trucks showed ISIS was shipping the trucks to Turkey.

WAKE THE HELL UP, PEOPLE!

 

[Contumacious]

"This is not in the best interest of the US..."
- That has 'Obama' written all over it......

----------------------

...meanwhile the NATO Commander wants to know from the Turks they the hell they 'poked the Bear':

"NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?"
LINK: NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?

The answer is pretty obvious really -- Last week Putin exposed Turkey's funding of ISIS operations through their Black Market oil dealings with ISIS, which funds 50% of their operations, AND (appropriately) accused them of supporting ISIS.

After the Paris attacks France and Russia destroyed over 1,000 oil tanker trucks. When the Russia plane crossed into Turkey, albeit briefly, the Turks were probably worried Russia was looking for ISIS/Turkish oil tankers to bomb...not to mention being pissed for their 'sweet' oil deal being exposed.

David L Phillips of Columbia University, Turkey’s support for extremist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS has been even more extensive than previously thought. Drawing on a wide variety of sources, Phillips reveals that the Turkish government, a member of NATO and a key Western ally, has been involved in helping ISIS with recruitment, training, and has provided it with intelligence and safe havens and sanctuary. Most recently it has been exposed as a major customer for stolen Syrian oil, supplied by the terrorist group."


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[paulitician]

"This is not in the best interest of the US..."
- That has 'Obama' written all over it......

----------------------

...meanwhile the NATO Commander wants to know from the Turks they the hell they 'poked the Bear':

"NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?"
LINK: NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?

The answer is pretty obvious really -- Last week Putin exposed Turkey's funding of ISIS operations through their Black Market oil dealings with ISIS, which funds 50% of their operations, AND (appropriately) accused them of supporting ISIS.

After the Paris attacks France and Russia destroyed over 1,000 oil tanker trucks. When the Russia plane crossed into Turkey, albeit briefly, the Turks were probably worried Russia was looking for ISIS/Turkish oil tankers to bomb...not to mention being pissed for their 'sweet' oil deal being exposed.

David L Phillips of Columbia University, Turkey’s support for extremist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS has been even more extensive than previously thought. Drawing on a wide variety of sources, Phillips reveals that the Turkish government, a member of NATO and a key Western ally, has been involved in helping ISIS with recruitment, training, and has provided it with intelligence and safe havens and sanctuary. Most recently it has been exposed as a major customer for stolen Syrian oil, supplied by the terrorist group."


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Saudi Arabia and Turkey, our 'Good Friends', are how ISIS even exists. They're the key players in its creation. And that falls back on the U.S. We need to reassess our relationships with awful countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

 

[Ame®icano]

Our media is ignoring most of the news from the Middle East. What we're getting here is pretty much filtered and controlled.
But if you look, it's not hard to find. Leftards would say - It's 2015.

For years, Turkey has been buying and facilitating the sale of ISIS stolen oil supplies on the black market.

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) has been selling smuggled Syrian oil in Turkey worth $800 million, according to Ali Ediboglu, a lawmaker for the border province of Hatay from the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP).

Opposition MP says ISIS is selling oil in Turkey

ISIS trucks are routinely allowed to cross back and forth between Raqqa and Turkey. Documents recovered from the raid on the ISIS safe house this summer confirm direct dealing between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members. Also, Jordan officials recently said that ISIS jihadists received training in Turkey. Also, Egyptian official said that Turkey is providing direct intelligence and logistical support to ISIS. Beside, Turks are bombing and killing Kurdish separatists, one of the primary groups fighting against the ISIS. Google it.

The way I see it, NATO is harboring the state sponsor of ISIS / terrorism, and should have cancel their membership. It seems that both, NATO and Turkey are using ISIS as a tool to destabilize the region and especially Assad. We all know that, but problem is in what they're not telling us. All those blimps of information that somehow get to us showing there is a lot of things we're omitted from seeing.

 

[paulitician]

Our media is ignoring most of the news from the Middle East. What we're getting here is pretty much filtered and controlled.
But if you look, it's not hard to find. Leftards would say - It's 2015.

For years, Turkey has been buying and facilitating the sale of ISIS stolen oil supplies on the black market.

The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) has been selling smuggled Syrian oil in Turkey worth $800 million, according to Ali Ediboglu, a lawmaker for the border province of Hatay from the main opposition Republican People’s Party (CHP).

Opposition MP says ISIS is selling oil in Turkey

ISIS trucks are routinely allowed to cross back and forth between Raqqa and Turkey. Documents recovered from the raid on the ISIS safe house this summer confirm direct dealing between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members. Also, Jordan officials recently said that ISIS jihadists received training in Turkey. Also, Egyptian official said that Turkey is providing direct intelligence and logistical support to ISIS. Beside, Turks are bombing and killing Kurdish separatists, one of the primary groups fighting against the ISIS. Google it.

The way I see it, NATO is harboring the state sponsor of ISIS / terrorism, and should have cancel their membership. It seems that both, Turkey and NATO and Turkey are using ISIS as a tool to destabilize the region and especially Assad. We all know that, but problem is in what they're not telling us. All those blimps of information that somehow get to us showing there is a lot of things we're omitted from seeing.

'Regime Change.' They decided they wanted Assad dead. They funded and armed some very bad people to do the job. ISIS is a Western/Saudi/Turkish creation.

Those nations who declare 'Regime Change' should be held accountable by the International Justice System. It's an illegal act. Syria was no threat to the U.S. or any nation in the region. The U.S. and others have no right to declare 'Regime Change.'

 

[Ame®icano]

There is a thread about Russia bombing some 500 of ISIS fuel tankers. I applauded to that. In the same thread I someone posted how US bombed some 100 of ISIS fuel tankers days before. I applauded to that too.

But why we waited 15 months before we start targeting their fuel tankers and oil infrastructure that funds their operations? Also, I'm wondering why would Washington warn ISIS about it 45 minutes before the last bombing.

 

[easyt65]

Saudi Arabia and Turkey, our 'Good Friends', are how ISIS even exists. They're the key players in its creation. And that falls back on the U.S. We need to reassess our relationships with awful countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

You do a complete dis-service to Obama by not including him in with Saudi and Turkey.

Obama has financed them, supplied them, armed them, trained fighters for them, allowed them to freely without opposition flow into Iraq, protected them by creating and enforcing a 'Rules of Engagement' 'No Strike List' that included ISIS Headquarters, oil facilities, and over 1,500 oil tankers that allowed ISIS to engage in Black Marketing to finance 50% of their terrorist activity.

OBAMA is one of the BIGGEST facilitators, supporters, arms dealers for, and protectors of ISIS to date!

 

[Contumacious]

"This is not in the best interest of the US..."
- That has 'Obama' written all over it......

----------------------

...meanwhile the NATO Commander wants to know from the Turks they the hell they 'poked the Bear':

"NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?"
LINK: NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?

The answer is pretty obvious really -- Last week Putin exposed Turkey's funding of ISIS operations through their Black Market oil dealings with ISIS, which funds 50% of their operations, AND (appropriately) accused them of supporting ISIS.

After the Paris attacks France and Russia destroyed over 1,000 oil tanker trucks. When the Russia plane crossed into Turkey, albeit briefly, the Turks were probably worried Russia was looking for ISIS/Turkish oil tankers to bomb...not to mention being pissed for their 'sweet' oil deal being exposed.

David L Phillips of Columbia University, Turkey’s support for extremist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS has been even more extensive than previously thought. Drawing on a wide variety of sources, Phillips reveals that the Turkish government, a member of NATO and a key Western ally, has been involved in helping ISIS with recruitment, training, and has provided it with intelligence and safe havens and sanctuary. Most recently it has been exposed as a major customer for stolen Syrian oil, supplied by the terrorist group."


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Saudi Arabia and Turkey, our 'Good Friends', are how ISIS even exists. They're the key players in its creation. And that falls back on the U.S. We need to reassess our relationships with awful countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN, WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT

ISRAHELL AND SAUDI ARABIA WANT ASSAD REMOVED - FOR SOME REASON THE DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS CONSIDER THEM "CLOSE ALLIES"


ISRAHELL WANTS A CHUNK OF SYRIAN REAL STATE

AND


SAUDIA ARABIA WANTS A SUNNI PM



SO ISIS DOES THE DIRTY WORK - ISIS PROVIDES BOOTS ON THE GROUND SUPPORT THEREBY PREVENTING US OR IDF CASUALTIES. - MEANWHILE THE US CLAIMS THAT ISIS IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION BUT IT HAS NO INTENTION OF ERADICATING IT SO LONG AS IT NEEDS THEM IN SYRIA


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[paulitician]

There is a thread about Russia bombing some 500 of ISIS fuel tankers. I applauded to that. In the same thread I someone posted how US bombed some 100 of ISIS fuel tankers days before. I applauded to that too.

But why we waited 15 months before we start targeting their fuel tankers and oil infrastructure that funds their operations? Also, I'm wondering why would Washington warn ISIS about it 45 minutes before the last bombing.

ISIS is mainly a U.S./Saudi creation. Turkey's had a hand in its creation as well. They're gonna eliminte their Frankenstein, but just not too quickly. They're gonna slowly bleed Syria and try to kill Assad.

It's a horrific mess over there. And it's mostly on the U.S. Its constant meddling over there has led to this awful bloody carnage. It's time for Americans to reassess their support for this Endless War policy.

 

[easyt65]

There is a thread about Russia bombing some 500 of ISIS fuel tankers. I applauded to that. In the same thread I someone posted how US bombed some 100 of ISIS fuel tankers days before. I applauded to that too.

But why we waited 15 months before we start targeting their fuel tankers and oil infrastructure that funds their operations? Also, I'm wondering why would Washington warn ISIS about it 45 minutes before the last bombing.

The ONLY reason the US 'allowed' ISIS oil tankers to be struck is because 1) the Paris terrorist attacks pissed the French off so much that they refused to obey Obama's 'ROE' which made them off-limits, and 2) the Russians exposed the Turkey-ISIS Black Market oil ops deal last week.

The French reported thousands of oil tanker trucks, ISIS headquarters building, and oil facilities NOT being allowed to be struck until now.

Obama has been protecting them!

 

[paulitician]

Saudi Arabia and Turkey, our 'Good Friends', are how ISIS even exists. They're the key players in its creation. And that falls back on the U.S. We need to reassess our relationships with awful countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

You do a complete dis-service to Obama by not including him in with Saudi and Turkey.

Obama has financed them, supplied them, armed them, trained fighters for them, allowed them to freely without opposition flow into Iraq, protected them by creating and enforcing a 'Rules of Engagement' 'No Strike List' that included ISIS Headquarters, oil facilities, and over 1,500 oil tankers that allowed ISIS to engage in Black Marketing to finance 50% of their terrorist activity.

OBAMA is one of the BIGGEST facilitators, supporters, arms dealers for, and protectors of ISIS to date!

Obama's just a puppet. These Wars were planned long before he got in there. He has virtually no say. The CIA and Saudi Intelligence created ISIS. It was created to kill Assad. Obama had no say in it. He still doesn't.

 

[easyt65]

ISRAHELL WANTS A CHUNK OF SYRIAN REAL STATE

AND SAUDIA ARABIA WANTS A SUNNI PM

.

PLEASE provide a link to support ANY of this?! Don't blame Israel for OBAMA'S twisted obsession with Assad that has led to him crawling in bed with ISIS!

 

[easyt65]

Obama's just a puppet. These Wars were planned long before he got in there. He has virtually no say. The CIA and Saudi Intelligence created ISIS. It was created to kill Assad. Obama had no say in it. He still doesn't.

Yeah, that's why the CIA's reports have been modified / changed by the WH, eliminating all references to terrorism. I believe if anyone is the puppet it is the CIA. Obama used them to arm ISIS and train some of their people.

This all started about the time Obama cowardly backed down from his Red Line challenge and was embarrassed in front of the whole world.

 

[paulitician]

"This is not in the best interest of the US..."
- That has 'Obama' written all over it......

----------------------

...meanwhile the NATO Commander wants to know from the Turks they the hell they 'poked the Bear':

"NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?"
LINK: NATO ambassadors to Turkey: Why didn’t you just escort that Russian plane out of your airspace?

The answer is pretty obvious really -- Last week Putin exposed Turkey's funding of ISIS operations through their Black Market oil dealings with ISIS, which funds 50% of their operations, AND (appropriately) accused them of supporting ISIS.

After the Paris attacks France and Russia destroyed over 1,000 oil tanker trucks. When the Russia plane crossed into Turkey, albeit briefly, the Turks were probably worried Russia was looking for ISIS/Turkish oil tankers to bomb...not to mention being pissed for their 'sweet' oil deal being exposed.

David L Phillips of Columbia University, Turkey’s support for extremist groups operating in Syria, including ISIS has been even more extensive than previously thought. Drawing on a wide variety of sources, Phillips reveals that the Turkish government, a member of NATO and a key Western ally, has been involved in helping ISIS with recruitment, training, and has provided it with intelligence and safe havens and sanctuary. Most recently it has been exposed as a major customer for stolen Syrian oil, supplied by the terrorist group."


.

Saudi Arabia and Turkey, our 'Good Friends', are how ISIS even exists. They're the key players in its creation. And that falls back on the U.S. We need to reassess our relationships with awful countries like Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

NOT GONNA HAPPEN, WOULDN'T BE PRUDENT

ISRAHELL AND SAUDI ARABIA WANT ASSAD REMOVED - FOR SOME REASON THE DIFFERENT ADMINISTRATIONS CONSIDER THEM "CLOSE ALLIES"


ISRAHELL WANTS A CHUNK OF SYRIAN REAL STATE

AND


SAUDIA ARABIA WANTS A SUNNI PM



SO ISIS DOES THE DIRTY WORK - ISIS PROVIDES BOOTS ON THE GROUND SUPPORT THEREBY PREVENTING US OR IDF CASUALTIES. - MEANWHILE THE US CLAIMS THAT ISIS IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION BUT IT HAS NO INTENTION OF ERADICATING IT SO LONG AS IT NEEDS THEM IN SYRIA


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I hear ya. This stuff's been in the works for years. ISIS was well-funded and armed. And anyone with common sense knows who supplied it with the cash & weapons.

If the world is gonna continue supporting endless bombing and invading, it really should consider moving Saudi Arabia and Turkey to the top of the list. They're truly evil nations. We should all be ashamed that our Government considers them 'Good Friends.'

 

[paulitician]

Obama's just a puppet. These Wars were planned long before he got in there. He has virtually no say. The CIA and Saudi Intelligence created ISIS. It was created to kill Assad. Obama had no say in it. He still doesn't.

Yeah, that's why the CIA's reports have been modified / changed by the WH, eliminating all references to terrorism. I believe if anyone is the puppet it is the CIA. Obama used them to arm ISIS and train some of their people.

This all started about the time Obama cowardly backed down from his Red Line challenge and was embarrassed in front of the whole world.

They put a hit out on Assad years ago. The CIA's been funding & arming groups in Syria for awhile. ISIS was just one of those groups. It all gets back to 'Regime Change.'

The International Justice System has to take a serious look at the 'Regime Change' policy. Who has the right to declare 'Regime Change' on another nation? In my assessment, it's an illegal act.