Turkey ready to enter northern Iraq

[Truthmatters]

Are you guys begining to understand the can of worms we have opened in the middle east with this idiot cowboy foriegn policy?

 

[onedomino]

Are you guys begining to understand the can of worms we have opened in the middle east with this idiot cowboy foriegn policy?

Yeah, you are right. We should have just left the Kurds to the tender mercies of Saddam and his Sarin, Tabun and VX chemical attacks, and other forms of attempted Kurd genocide. The Left is dispicable in its contempt for human rights, and disregard for the liberation of the oppressed. Now tell us again that America went into Iraq for the oil.

 

[Truthmatters]

Who sold him those weapons and how long ago was it before we attacked Sadam?

You see all this stupid bluster you allowed yourself to be whip into has gotten MORE Iraqis killed then Sadam ever dreamed of.'

You do realise the majority of Iraqis now say they were better off under Sadam right?

 

[onedomino]

onedomino, don't mix things up.

We punished all people involved in these attacks. Over 70 were caught and about 40 people were guilty. People involved in these attacks are in jail, Including the 2 Syrians which were head of this Terror-cell, who called himself Turkey-Chief of Al-Qaeda, El-Saka and Hamid Obysi.
El-Saka, which had direct contact to Bin Laden and Zarkawi was captured in Southeastern-Turkey in an airport with a false Turkish passport, and the other was caught trying to flee over Syrian boarder.
2 further people involved in these attacks fled to Iraq, and according to Turkish intelligence information, they were murdered in Iraq.


In contrast, responsible persons for PKK-Bombings still act and walk freely in North-Iraq.

There is no mix-up canavar. Turkey wants to "punish" people who commit terrorist homicide bombings on it soil. Understandable. Both Al Qaeda and the PKK have committed terrorist homicide bombings in Turkey. But while Turkey wants to punish the PKK in Iraq, it does not want to punish Al Qaeda in Iraq. Why is that? Is it because only those Al Qaeda members that are in Turkey are worth going after, and to hell with Al Qadea killing Iraqis and Americans in Iraq? Or is it because after the 2003 Istanbul Al Qaeda bombings bin Laden claimed that he was “sorry” that so many Muslims had been killed in the Turkey bombings, and that he should have ordered a hit on a US military facility in Turkey? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Istanbul_bombings Clearly there is a double standard. Turkey wants to fight terrorism only when it is politically convenient. Just like it is now politically convenient to posture that a Turk invasion of Iraq may take place, just in time for the upcoming July Turkish elections.

 

[onedomino]

You do realise the majority of Iraqis now say they were better off under Sadam right?

Let's see you find even one Kurd who says he was better off under Saddam.

 

[CSM]

Who sold him those weapons and how long ago was it before we attacked Sadam?

You see all this stupid bluster you allowed yourself to be whip into has gotten MORE Iraqis killed then Sadam ever dreamed of.'

You do realise the majority of Iraqis now say they were better off under Sadam right?

You are absolutely correct...I say we find someone JUST lIKE SADDAM and let them run Iraq.

 

[Truthmatters]

We wont have to its what is going to happen if this place is ever going to be one country again.

 

[CSM]

We wont have to its what is going to happen if this place is ever going to be one country again.

Ok good...then I am with you...get the troops out now before anymore have to give their lives in a useless and unjust endeavor.

MANIFEST DESTINY FOR IRAQ!!!

 

[ekrem]

There is no mix-up canavar. Turkey wants to "punish" people who commit terrorist homicide bombings on it soil. Understandable. Both Al Qaeda and the PKK have committed terrorist homicide bombings in Turkey. But while Turkey wants to punish the PKK in Iraq, it does not want to punish Al Qaeda in Iraq. Why is that? Is it because only those Al Qaeda members that are in Turkey are worth going after, and to hell with Al Qadea killing Iraqis and Americans in Iraq? Or is it because after the 2003 Istanbul Al Qaeda bombings bin Laden claimed that he was “sorry” that so many Muslims had been killed in the Turkey bombings, and that he should have ordered a hit on a US military facility in Turkey? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Istanbul_bombings Clearly there is a double standard. Turkey wants to fight terrorism only when it is politically convenient. Just like it is now politically convenient to posture that a Turk invasion of Iraq may take place, just in time for the upcoming July Turkish elections.

Off course there is a mix-up. Al-Qaeda bombings in Turkey do have no connections to Iraq. This i mean with mix-up.

What do you specifically try to say that Turkey does have double-standards?
Turkey does not have double-standards on Anti-Terror war and ensured USA unconditionally support in this war after 11th Septmeber of 2001 from intelligence shareing to Afghanistan-Operation.

Iraq on the other side did not have anything either to do with Al-Qaeda nor "Global Anti-Terror War". Name it like you want and depending on perspective of view: secureing USA interests or illegal war.
Plus Turkey did have own interests in Iraq, and knew to good where this all will lead to.
Therefore we declined to support this war which in the beginning had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden. We prefered not to be in history books as illegal occupier.
Later when USA occupied itself and war-process was over, we wanted to send 10.000 soldiers as peacekeepers into that region of Iraq were attacks was still being carried out on you.
This under pressure from Kurds Paul Bremer did decline. I posted in previous links where it is black on white, that Parliament did even approved this Troop supply.

It was USA's double standards on Terrorist PKK which made Turkey clear, that there are double-standrads in the so-called "Global Anti-Terror War".
Or why do you not go after PKK in North-Iraq, whilst you for example did bomb Kurdish Ansar-Al Islam in North-Iraq?

That is why we when it comes to so-called "Global Anti-Terror War" first analyze our actions with our longtime interests.
This is based on USA, as USA-Action against PKK seems not to be in US's interest. This interest goes so far, even blocking Turkey to take care ourself of the issue.
That is why our contribution in Afghanistan is not being widened to South-Afghanistan.
There can be no logical connection in fighting Taliban in South-Afghanistan, while Terrorists are on our boarders.
Therefore Turkey does not contribute to Operation Endureing Freedom like our capacities as second largest NATO Army allow, but solely concentrate on ISAF.

 

[onedomino]

Therefore we declined to support this war which in the beginning had nothing to do with Al-Qaeda or Osama bin Laden. We prefered not to be in history books as illegal occupier.

Later when USA occupied itself and war-process was over, we wanted to send 10.000 soldiers as peacekeepers into that region of Iraq were attacks was still being carried out on you.

Nice of you to term the liberation of Iraq "illegal." You should run for Secretary General of the UN. If the offer of 10,000 Turk troops made in October 2003 was legitimate (and not just an attempt to get at the Kurds), why did your Parliament block the US 4th Infantry Division from entering Iraq from the north in March 2003? That just does not make any sense. The Kurds were right to be suspicious of Turk troops being inserted into Iraq five months after the invasion was over. By the way, how is the guard duty with the French and Germans working out for Turkey in northern Afghanistan? That is a big help in fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan.

 

[Shogun]

Ok good...then I am with you...get the troops out now before anymore have to give their lives in a useless and unjust endeavor.

MANIFEST DESTINY FOR IRAQ!!!

you are kinda using the term MANIFEST DESTINY in a back-assward sorta way, don't you think? Ironic considering the historic relevance of the term, yes?

 

[ekrem]

Nice of you to term the liberation of Iraq "illegal." You should run for Secretary General of the UN. If the offer of 10,000 Turk troops made in October 2003 was legitimate (and not just an attempt to get at the Kurds), why did your Parliament block the US 4th Infantry Division from entering Iraq from the north in March 2003? That just does not make any sense. The Kurds were right to be suspicious of Turk troops being inserted into Iraq five months after the invasion was over. By the way, how is the guard duty with the French and Germans working out for Turkey in northern Afghanistan? That is a big help in fighting the Taliban in southern Afghanistan.

Turkey does secure together with Italy and France Kabul and outer regions.
Germans are in quite North in Kundus area.
I think i made it clear, why Turkey doe snot fight Taliban in South-Afghanistan.
But when you want to hear it from official's mouth:

Chief of General Staff Gen. Yaşar Büyükanıt said Turkey would not be contributing any combat troops to battle a spreading insurgency in southern Afghanistan. �Not even a single soldier from the Turkish Armed Forces will go to Afghanistan for the purpose of the struggle against terrorism,� he was quoted as saying by NTV late on Thursday. �There is no need and such a thing can never be in question.�

http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=53692

First Terrorists on our boarder!!


To Turkish parliament: What can be more legitimate then approving Troops in parliament?

Turkish MPs backed the deployment by 358 votes, with 183 votes against

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3172228.stm
This is no fantasy talking but real History.

US Troops in previous parliament voting which has been voted no, should have permanent bases in South-East Turkey and about 63.000 US soldiers going in and out Turkey in a row.
This was not possible. We anyway opened our Airspace for US-Jets attacking Iraq with condition that they do not land in Turkey.
Your casualties and injured people go to Rammstein from Incirlik. And we still up to today assist you in your suply lines from North. Be it bottled water, gasoline or other things.

 

[onedomino]

Chief of General Staff Gen. Yasar Büyükanit said Turkey would not be contributing any combat troops to battle a spreading insurgency in southern Afghanistan. Not even a single soldier from the Turkish Armed Forces will go to Afghanistan for the purpose of the struggle against terrorism, he was quoted as saying by NTV late on Thursday. There is no need and such a thing can never be in question.

Then what good are your troops? You leave the hard work, the fighting and dying, to the British, Australians, Danes, and Americans. Why? Because of some PKK terrorists on your southern border? Be serious canavar, it is because your anti American population would not stand for it. That is exactly why the French and Germans also stay away from the fighting. NATO is a virtually meaningless alliance (just the way the French and Germans like it), used primarily for political cover.

 

[ekrem]

Then what good are your troops? You leave the hard work, the fighting and dying, to the British, Australians, Danes, and Americans. Why? Because of some PKK terrorists on your southern border? Be serious canavar, it is because your anti American population would not stand for it. That is exactly why the French and Germans also stay away from the fighting. NATO is a virtually meaningless alliance (just the way the French and Germans like it), used primarily for political cover.

These "some" terrorists killed 600 people in Turkey since beginning of last year. And this only deaths, not mentioning injured people.
Alone in last weeks Anakara blasting their were 100 wounded people in relation to 6 deaths.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/05/22/opinion/edhoge.php
Why do you try to speak small this terrorist-threat?
Turkey does stand behind its Army. Where Turkish Army goes, Turkish population give support. We have no professional army, but conscription.

 

[CSM]

you are kinda using the term MANIFEST DESTINY in a back-assward sorta way, don't you think? Ironic considering the historic relevance of the term, yes?

Good to know that at least one poster can recognize irony.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Who sold him those weapons and how long ago was it before we attacked Sadam?

You see all this stupid bluster you allowed yourself to be whip into has gotten MORE Iraqis killed then Sadam ever dreamed of.'

You do realise the majority of Iraqis now say they were better off under Sadam right?

Simply not true. France and germany sold him the materials for his Chemical and Biological weapons. But then facts never were your strong point.

 

[ekrem]

Nice video from the boarder:
Especially watch the part short before the middle of the video:

<object width=425 height=350><param name="movie" value="http://91.191.161.197/videolar/video.swf?idsi=sinirharekat&autoplay=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://91.191.161.197/videolar/video.swf?idsi=sinirharekat&autoplay=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode=transparent width=425 height=350></embed></object>

This pictures are from open area.
Closed are coordinates are as follows:
K 38 45 13 D 41 17 24
K 38 45 11 D 41 18 47
K 38 49 33 D 41 17 11
K 38 49 30 D 41 19 26
http://www.tsk.mil.tr/bashalk/bilginotu/2007/10.htm


Turkey military blasts NATO allies for support of Kurdish rebels
http://en.rian.ru/world/20070531/66399455.html

Buyukanit: Ready for PKK Strike
http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?id=179057

General Buyukanit said, that People who harbour Terrorists are Terrorists themselves, too. Pointing to Barzani which was honoured by President Bush in the White House as "President of Kurdistan".

"Are we going to struggle with the PKK once we enter there or do something with Barzani too?"

It is obviously Turkish military wants to eliminate Barzani who is harbouring PKK, too.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Turkey won't be happy if they pick a fight with the United States. The results won't be pretty for you.

 

[ekrem]

Turkey won't be happy if they pick a fight with the United States. The results won't be pretty for you.

USA has left yesterday North-Iraq:

Iraqi Kurds take charge of own security
http://www.khaleejtimes.com/Display...ay/focusoniraq_May165.xml&section=focusoniraq


US Forces hand over three Kurdish Provinces
http://www.alsumaria.tv/en/Iraq-News/1-3895-US-Forces-hand-over-three-Kurdish-Provinces.html

 

[ekrem]

Ankara refuses to meet north Iraqi Kurdish leaders

The attempt of Kurdish leaders in north Iraq to have a meeting with the officials in Ankara failed as the Turkish Foreign ministry refused to initiate a dialogue.

Two eminent Kurdish parties in north Iraq, Massoud Barzani's Kurdish Democratic Party (KDP) and Jalal Talabani's Patriotic Union of Kurdistan (PUK) requested to have a meeting with the officials in Ankara.

The Foreign Ministry evaluated the request and informed the parties that the current situation in Turkey did not provide a basis for dialogue.
http://news.trendaz.com/cgi-bin/readnews2.pl?newsId=933631&lang=EN

Antebellum.