Turkey ready to enter northern Iraq

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    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/04/12/news/kurds.php



    I will tell you what this means, just let us go 2 days back:
    Last "National Security Council" meeting which went 4 hours had the result of a 3 staged action plan regarding Iraq.

    Iraq was given a paper diplomatic note, as well as USA, where Turkey first time threatens to invade Iraq in an official state document.
    Iraq has 2 Weeks time to jail and kill PKK-Terrorists. Turkey will watch this process and within 2 weeks the different stages of sanctions will begin.

    - first phase is political sanctions
    - second economic sanctions like cutting water, electric, gasoline, goods and shutting down Iraq boarder, and airspace to Iraq, so North-Iraq and rest of Iraq collapse.
    - third phase is military action

    read it here yourself what came out of "National security Meeting":
    http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/article.php?enewsid=70529

    2 Days later, meaning today, Turkish army made extraordinary press conference first since 14 months and first under new General chief.
    Speech was structured in 5 parts. 2 Parts were about USA, Iraq and Terrorists and should be here of concern.

    Turkish army openly for first time says operation into Iraq must be done, but therefore political environment must be ensured. Turkey is democracy with Institutions based on division of powers.
    Army is an institution having rights and duties given by constitution.
    So is the Institution "Parliament" which is responsible for legislative processes.
    Army as Institution said first time, that operation must be made, and political environment must be ensured.
    So ball is played to Parliament, which has to ensure legislative base of Invasion, as Army can not give self the order to invade Iraq,
    Army, as institution, made first time this request since 1997 and since US invasion of Iraq.
    Also this request is in accordance to 3rd stage of action plan of "National security council".
     
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    Why quit after massacreing the Kurds---take the whole damn country.
     
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    When USA can not peacefully occupation whole Iraq, then Turkey will also not.
    But we can march through to Um-Qasr going fishing in Persian Gulf, like USA did fast marched to Bagdad. We have the capabilities.
    Invasion and occupation is 2 different things.

    First priority is Anti-Terrorist action. To be exact, Anti-Turkish terrorist elimination in the North. Locations are known. So 100.000 km² not like USA whole Iraq.
    We can manage this easy.

    Terrorists who bomb GI's more south in Tikrit-Falluja-Bagdad area not our business, like Terrorists who bomb Turks from northern Iraq is not USA business. This Barzani last days threatened Turkey saying he would stir unrest in Turkey.
    General Büyükanit today in extraordinary press conference said: "I do not look to who says, but who let him say", giving reference to USA.

    I wonder how US army's life will be around Bagdad when Gasonline, water, electric, Turkish airspace is closed. It is a 3 staged plan, with military option the third stage. All within 14 days.
     
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    Turkey had its chance. Instead of helping the US with the overthrow of the brutal Saddam regime, it chose to block the US 4th Infantry Division from entering Iraq from the north in 2003. Thus the murderous insurgents had a greater ability to melt away north of Baghdad in the face of the US Marine and US Army assault from the south. If Turkey now enters northern Iraq, the Americans should repulse them. Despite the empty bluster of Yasar Buyukanit, do not doubt that the US will not permit a Turkish invasion of northern Iraq; unless, of course, Turkey would like to help us patrol the streets of Baghdad. But that will never happen.
     
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    I question, how you will repulse Turkish army?
    In North-Iraq is no US-soldiers.
    It is real question, i know strength of USA army, also i know of extending GI service from 12 to 15 months and reaching capabilities of US army like Gates said.
    I will not talk much about Turkish army, as you would see what i would tell now, when there is real shit going on and you have casualties, so US mothers wished their sons never hit ground near to Turkey.
    Of course, Turkey will suffer damage, too. Even more damage then Turkey will make to USA.
    This is no joke like Iraq, Iran, Somalia or Vietnam.

    A USA-Turkey clash is not a normal event, but a event which will change things in Eurasia. Beginning with NATO. Has many implications. So we can tell much here.
    In Turkey we do not expect clash with USA. Too much to loose for both.

    You first try to find answer, where you find gasoline, water, electricity and other things in coming 14 days, and which airspace you use. When Turkey shuts airspace and boarder whole north will be shut down. Syria, Iran and Turkey.

    Then when Turkish Army enters after this economic sanctions stage, you can detail further how many US soldiers will be redeployed from Bagdad to North, fighting Turkish soldiers, and how much losses US society is willing to declare as acceptable.
     
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    No one wants an armed clash with Turkey, that's why your country should stay out if Iraq. Anyway, it would not be a clash of ground troops; imagining the consequences of fighting the US Air Force and Navy will keep your troops on their side of the border.
     
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    this is a disgusting comment..

    Why quit after massacreing the Kurds---take the whole damn country.

    Turkey murdered 1.5 million armenians, and wont admit to it, and now opposes oppresed kurds who deserve a homeland. Oh, and they refused to help america, in the war on terrorism.

    So, I say to turkey, Fuck You
     
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    There have been an awful lot of Kurdish guerrilla attacks against the Turks as of late, coming from the Iraqi side of the border.

    If the US had any concept of pre-emptive diplomacy, it would be trying to bring the Turks & Kurds into a "trust but verify" security relationship w/ a small contingent of US forces to accompany their joint patrols on the border.

    There is a lot of money to be made for both sides. A pity neither will place that potential windfall and investment climate above national pride.
     
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    Financial capital has no nationality. Turkey is a private economy, so these companies due to maximize profits and turnover make business anywhere they want, despite colliding national interest.
    So if there is no state decision in closeing boarder or anything, this will continue.

    Turkey is a parliamentarian democracy. A Republic with powerfull Prime MInister and Vetoing or "Putting sign under laws"- State President.

    Today was 1st round of presidential elections in parliament.
    There is need of 367 parliamentarians out of total 550 to be in parliament in accordance to constitution articles.
    Today there were only 361 parliamentarians in parliament due to boycott of other parliamentarians, so the whole thing of presidential election is now at constitutional court.

    2nd round of presidential election is Wednesday. Constitutional Court president said, it will rush decision till there.
    So when court says, 1st round was technically faulty, then parliament will be dissolved and Turkey heads to parliament elections immidiately to sructure new parliament and new Prime MInister which then will elect new State President.
    Current State President, whose term ends in these days will be put in office till there is new State President.
    Election Board (don't know what its american name is), says that election can be held withing 45 days.

    As this procedure of 367 in parliamanent was not taken to court before in past State President elections, decision of constitutional court will constitute an binding example for constitution.

    In Turkish time zone at 23:20 Turkish Army made statement, which will make process of constitutional court unnecessary.
    Whole TVs despite being night time are fixed on interpreting the statement, all Journalists and Politicians are waken up on feets.
    In International press so far there is not much reporting about this, if, then only selective.

    The message of army is, that it might assume control of political power depending on further process of State president election. All opposition parties called before and still are calling for immidiate elections.
    Last week there was a demonstration in Ankara with 583.000 particpiants.
    On Sunday a bigger demonstration will happen in Istanbul Caglayan place.

    Turkish army's message is also immidiate election. So election will either come through constitutional court, or by force of Army.

    Now when we reconsider the thread topic in previous posts, that Army called for Parliamentarian legitimization of Iraq invasion, and Parliament so far did not follow this request, we will have soon have a new Parliament.
    This what is happening right now in Turkey is fresh, so you will see what i mean when your press starts to report about this process in detail.

    If Army takes control of political power or constitutional court will dissolve parliament and Turkey will not have a parliament for 45 days and only one State president, we will see your cheap talk of megalomania Americans like "onedomino" saying US Airforce will make Turkish army keep at its side of boarder.
    We will kill anyone who tries to stop us.

    http://www.tsk.mil.tr/bashalk/basac/2007/a08.htm
     
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    Fuck Turkey, Go kurds!
     
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