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. What kind of blabbering you got going on in your post ? I just said that Israel had a wall, but the wall is useless without the enforcement aspect of it all... We don't have the enforcement attitude here, and if we can't find that attitude, then a wall will be useless unless we think that it can somehow operate on it's own like a driverless car etc. The Jews have the right attitude, and the enforcement will.. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?
. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.
Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.
The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.
What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.
The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.
1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.
Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.
How are the 4th Amendment and property rights going to be affected by the wall?. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?
I'd say God likes Mexicans better than Jews, but that's beside the point. How much "wall" do the Israelis have compared to what you're proposing?
How many Rights will the cost... the Fourth Amendment falling by the wayside along with private property Rights being axed are just for starters.
. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.
1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.
The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.
Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.
You can't knock the wall based on what it actually costs, so you try to change the terms of the debate to the cost of deporting illegal aliens, which is a separate issue.
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“Immigrants are essential to the success of our country and addressing the plight of the dreamers is a top priority for this network," Brian Hooks, a senior official with the Koch organization, said in a statement. "We are committed to working with Congress and the White House to find a solution that does this without arbitrarily reducing the number of people who come here to contribute."
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When did seizing property ever bother Democrats? The EPA does it all the time, and without compensation.
That's all been shown to be bullshit. Walls work everywhere they've been tried. That's the fact that you can't get around.
And you did say that Democrats would demolish the wall after it was built. You're a fucking traitor.
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1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character een Israel. However, without
We make money off of illegals
That is why they are here
You assume all the Mexicans flooding in are illegals. Are they? Could most be American citizens?Arizona is in need of heavier enforcement including an upgraded barrier/wall/fence from what I heard. My family member told me that she has a friend living in Arizona near the border, and she said her friend when moved there purchased a home in a very good neighborhood, but after the Mexicans started flooding in she had to put bars on her windows and doors, and video cams on the premises. She said they have gangs now, and she is stuck in a situation that she can't get out of due her elderly age now. Her property has devalued so badly, that she has lost just about all of her investments in the community over the years.
Now this bullcrap had a starting point, and it has had enablers, and it has a way to aquire an assessment of the damages to be evaluated by the right people, but all this is being ignored by political advocates of open borders, and people with a dam anti-American agenda.
Chain migration. That's going to end.
We make money off of illegals
That is why they are here
So does Mexico. That’s why they are here/ I say tax 2/3ds of the money wet backs send home. That will pay for a chunk of the wall. Likely the yearly maintenance to.
I'm not completely opposed to chain migration. It should be like Affirmative Action, whereas all things being equal in a set of uniform requirements which would include education, language, employability and security concerns, people with close relatives can be given priorityWhy would anyone oppose chain migration?
We make money off of illegals
That is why they are here
So does Mexico. That’s why they are here/ I say tax 2/3ds of the money wet backs send home. That will pay for a chunk of the wall. Likely the yearly maintenance to.
Why not offer temporary work visas and tax their income directly?
It is their job. The left supports our Commerce Clause since we don't have a nanny-State clause.It's already against the law for employers to hire illegals, so your proposed solution obviously does't work. You see, you solution depends on Democrat bureaucrats and politicians to do their jobs, and that is never going to happen. The wall doesn't depend that.. Walls have worked all over the world in order to cover up the corruption within those very nations that built those walls.One day the political pendulum will swing left. The Dems will be in power. Courts can still rule and modify any of this.
Once a person is in this country they can sponsor relatives as citizens. They can also invite family in as guests. Those guests then can become pregnant and this whole process starts over again.
The nutty wall does not resolve the fact that the illegally ratified 14th Amendment makes citizens out of the relatives of non-citizens. It does not matter that these people do not automatically become citizens.
What is factual is that the people will be here regardless of the wall, citizenship, etc. So, my point is, let them be here, but don't think you have to make presence in a country equal citizenship.
The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.
1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Look, all that is needed is to enforce the laws here, take away the drugs incentives from the traffickers and dealers, seriously crack down on employers through audits, stiff fines and jail time, and go after slum lords who are providing shelter to illegals that is more than likely being subsidized through government housing subsidies etc.
Dry up the incentives, and dry up the problem. It's just that simple.
The problem is that we have way too many Americans profiting from the illegals, trafficking, and every other bad that goes along with the problem.
Yes, border security is essential, and listening to the people who know best (the border patrol), is also essential on securing the border.
Can you imagine how frustrating it must be to the border patrol when they enforce the border, and then the country is undermining their efforts as soon as they attempt to do the right thing ?? It's no different than undermining the law enforcement in high crime areas, where the law enforcement ends up backing off, and then throwing their hands in the air.... It's the same undermining taking place, and usually it's the do gooder liberals that are the culprits, but then they're are others doing it for profit.
The border patrol supports the wall. Why don't you listen to them?
. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.The wall keeps people out who shouldn't be here so they can't ever get amnesty and they can't ever have an anchor baby. If pregnant women can't get here, then the problem with the 14th Amendment doesn't matter that much. If we change the law regarding chain migration, then the rest of the problems you list will go away.
1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Bullshit. All the walls I'm aware of were highly effective. The great wall was highly effective. It kept barbarian nomads out of the country for centuries. Hadrians wall was effective. The wall around Rome was effective. The wall Rome built on the border with Eastern Europe was effective. Tell us which walls weren't effective. I'm dying to know.
The claim that walls aren't effective is open-borders douchebag propaganda.
How are the 4th Amendment and property rights going to be affected by the wall?. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Way out of context, but you do know some Jews over there got a wall that works now right? Is it because Gawdah, is on there side? You think God likes mexicans more then Jews?
I'd say God likes Mexicans better than Jews, but that's beside the point. How much "wall" do the Israelis have compared to what you're proposing?
How many Rights will the cost... the Fourth Amendment falling by the wayside along with private property Rights being axed are just for starters.
. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.1) You're dreaming. As long as their are people from the third world here - ESPECIALLY with official sanction, their families will be allowed to come here
2) Your wall will not affect approximately 77 percent of the undocumented foreigners in this country
3) WHEN the walls fail, the technology and the manpower will be used against you
4) For you to hide behind the 14th Amendment and then use disparaging words against children speaks volumes about your character much like the poster who attacks the family of a fellow poster. It's pretty much the same principle.
Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.
The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.
Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.
ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.
The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.
Who do you think you're fooling?
. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.
The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.
Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.
ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.
The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.
Who do you think you're fooling?
If you had a case you could make it without the name calling. You think that turning America into a totalitarian cesspool is a great idea. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.
. Interesting view point, because nation's that have tried or built walls in the olden times found that they really weren't that effective in the end. What do you think Joshua would have thought of a wall ?? Joshua fought the battle of Jericho, and the Walls came a tumbling down. I think the only place in modern times that have seen an effectiveness of a wall has been Israel. However, without the will to enforce the border, the wall would be meaningless.Your false indignation is showing. DACA/ Dreamer wet backs and their families have ZERO leg to stand in legally. That they are even here is a testament to how awesome our country is as even in Mexico, if you are illegal you have no rights. Walls have worked all over the world all through history. If you look, they have all been built in the most amazing places. And you will also find that all through history, they worked. So the wall is a small price to pay for amnesty. If you don’t live in a border state, you really don’t have an opinion that matters.
Walls only work in communist and totalitarian countries.
Since you want to bring up history, America is blind to their history. It is my primary objection to the nutty wall idea.
The founders of this country believed America to be the New Jerusalem of the Bible (that city without walls.) Many a political speech has been made since 1630 and John Winthrop's City on a Hill sermon has been preached that reference that historic sermon.
Those who want to tamper with our history and our destiny are demanding something that will destroy our country. Those who want the wall only see it in terms of the dollars it takes the build the wall.... not the costs of manning and defending it. Worse, they are oblivious to the costs in terms of Liberties and Freedoms that will be forfeited.
ROFL! The wall isn't going to destroy America. In fact, the truth is precisely the opposite. the wall will prevent the USA from turning into Mexico.
The wall is a cheaper way to defend the border than simply hiring a lot of border gaurds. All you open-borders douchebags know that. The fact that the wall is cost effective is precisely why you object to it.
Who do you think you're fooling?
If you had a case you could make it without the name calling. You think that turning America into a totalitarian cesspool is a great idea. I guess you're entitled to your opinion.
If I remember correctly, the I-9 documentation is accompanied by real or fake documents such as birth certificates or social security cards. In the latter case, once the data is sent to the IRS a "non match" warning is sent back to the employer who then is alerted to the possibility of the credentials being fake. At that moment, if no action is taken by the employer to rectify the discovery, everything I said aboutthat employer's loyalty to the American labor force Is true.When an illegal worker gives the employer the required I-9 documentation, how is the employer suppose to know the illegal is actually illegal?So why do our " patriotic" employers hire illegals? Obviously they have no sense of loyalty to the native American labor force.
One answer to that question is quite sobering.
Cheap labor is essential to keeping food prices low. We have addressed that reality by issuing seasonal work visas to migrants looking to pick fruit and work the farms.
At least there is some measure of control there...
Cheap labor is not essential to keeping food prices low, the increase cost of gasoline has a greater impact on the cost of your food then does field labor.
The H2A should be used much more.
