Trump’s Critics Are Wrong about the Fourteenth Amendment and Birthright Citizenship

[ShootSpeeders]

This says it all. The 14A framers used the word "jurisdiction" in the political not the territorial sense. Liberals are too dumb to understand that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/birthright-citizenship-not-mandated-by-constitution

aug 19 2015 Today, we somehow have come to believe that anyone born within the geographical limits of the U.S. is automatically subject to its jurisdiction; but this renders the jurisdiction clause utterly superfluous. If this had been the intention of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment, presumably they would have said simply that all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are thereby citizens.

Indeed, during debate over the amendment, Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause, attempted to assure skeptical colleagues that the language was not intended to make Indians citizens of the United States. Indians, Howard conceded, were born within the nation’s geographical limits, but he steadfastly maintained that they were not subject to its jurisdiction because they owed allegiance to their tribes and not to the U.S. Senator Lyman Trumbull, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported this view, arguing that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else and being subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.”

Jurisdiction understood as allegiance, Senator Howard explained, excludes not only Indians but “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.” Thus, “subject to the jurisdiction” does not simply mean, as is commonly thought today, subject to American laws or courts. It means owing exclusive political allegiance to the U.S.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

The whole idea that the 14A Framers wanted to give citizenship to the kids of foreign invaders is just absurd.!!

 

[Obiwan]

The whole idea that the 14A Framers wanted to give citizenship to the kids of foreign invaders is just absurd.!!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The Fourteenth Amendment(Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws, and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Your desire to deport little brown Americans is noted.

 

[Claudette]

Your desire to deport little brown Americans is noted.

Your desire to be a racist ass is also duly noted.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

Your desire to deport little brown Americans is noted.

They're not americans. Your desire to make them americans so they will go on welfare and vote democrat is noted.

 

[Syriusly]

This says it all. The 14A framers used the word "jurisdiction" in the political not the territorial sense. Liberals are too dumb to understand that.

http://www.nationalreview.com/birthright-citizenship-not-mandated-by-constitution

aug 19 2015 Today, we somehow have come to believe that anyone born within the geographical limits of the U.S. is automatically subject to its jurisdiction; but this renders the jurisdiction clause utterly superfluous. If this had been the intention of the framers of the Fourteenth Amendment, presumably they would have said simply that all persons born or naturalized in the U.S. are thereby citizens.

Indeed, during debate over the amendment, Senator Jacob Howard, the author of the citizenship clause, attempted to assure skeptical colleagues that the language was not intended to make Indians citizens of the United States. Indians, Howard conceded, were born within the nation’s geographical limits, but he steadfastly maintained that they were not subject to its jurisdiction because they owed allegiance to their tribes and not to the U.S. Senator Lyman Trumbull, chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, supported this view, arguing that “subject to the jurisdiction thereof” meant “not owing allegiance to anybody else and being subject to the complete jurisdiction of the United States.”

Jurisdiction understood as allegiance, Senator Howard explained, excludes not only Indians but “persons born in the United States who are foreigners, aliens, [or] who belong to the families of ambassadors or foreign ministers.” Thus, “subject to the jurisdiction” does not simply mean, as is commonly thought today, subject to American laws or courts. It means owing exclusive political allegiance to the U.S.

Already decided.

https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/471/444/case.html

By that time, respondent wife had given birth to a child, who, born in the United States, was a citizen of this country. A deportation hearing was held in December, 1978. Respondents conceded illegal entry, conceded deportability,

 

[Syriusly]

The whole idea that the 14A Framers wanted to give citizenship to the kids of foreign invaders is just absurd.!!

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

The Fourteenth Amendment(Amendment XIV) to the United States Constitution was adopted on July 9, 1868, as one of the Reconstruction Amendments. The amendment addresses citizenship rights and equal protection of the laws, and was proposed in response to issues related to former slaves following the American Civil War.

From Wong Kim Ark-

Passing by questions once earnestly controverted, but finally put at rest by the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, it is beyond doubt that, before the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 or the adoption of the Constitutional [p675] Amendment, all white persons, at least, born within the sovereignty of the United States, whether children of citizens or of foreigners, excepting only children of ambassadors or public ministers of a foreign government, were native-born citizens of the United States.

 

[Claudette]

Yes but doesn't it also say that you must have a LEGAL RESIDENCE and if you're here illegally then you don't have a legal residence.

I think some one should explain why all these illegal alien babies are being recognized as American citizens since the parents DO NOT HAVE A LEGAL RESIDENCE IN THE US. They are here illegally.