Trump to Greet Netanyahu by Abandoning ‘2-state’ Doctrine

[Shusha]

It seems to me there has been a shift in the past several years on the Israeli side. Israel truly no longer has faith in the ability of the Palestinians to create any sort of viable State.

A Settler's View of of Israel's Future

This article lays out a few possible options:

1. Jordan is Palestine. Arabs living in Judea and Samaria (under Israeli sovereignty) would become Jordanian citizens and Israel residents.

2. Annex Area C. Israel annexes all of Area C. Areas A and B remain self-governing territories.

3. City States. Seven "City States" or Emirates + Gaza, loosely joined. Israel annexes the remainder and grants Israeli citizenship to those Arabs outside those cities.

4. One State. Israel annexes all of Areas A, B and C (but excludes Gaza). Arabs receive Israeli citizenship. Some believe Israel would be able to maintain a majority under those circumstance.

5. The Puerto Rico solution. Israel annexes all of Areas A, B and C (again excluding Gaza). Arabs receive Israeli residency, but not citizenship.

 

[P F Tinmore]

It seems to me there has been a shift in the past several years on the Israeli side. Israel truly no longer has faith in the ability of the Palestinians to create any sort of viable State.

A Settler's View of of Israel's Future

This article lays out a few possible options:

1. Jordan is Palestine. Arabs living in Judea and Samaria (under Israeli sovereignty) would become Jordanian citizens and Israel residents.

2. Annex Area C. Israel annexes all of Area C. Areas A and B remain self-governing territories.

3. City States. Seven "City States" or Emirates + Gaza, loosely joined. Israel annexes the remainder and grants Israeli citizenship to those Arabs outside those cities.

4. One State. Israel annexes all of Areas A, B and C (but excludes Gaza). Arabs receive Israeli citizenship. Some believe Israel would be able to maintain a majority under those circumstance.

5. The Puerto Rico solution. Israel annexes all of Areas A, B and C (again excluding Gaza). Arabs receive Israeli residency, but not citizenship.

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

 

[Weatherman2020]

It seems to me there has been a shift in the past several years on the Israeli side. Israel truly no longer has faith in the ability of the Palestinians to create any sort of viable State.

A Settler's View of of Israel's Future

This article lays out a few possible options:

1. Jordan is Palestine. Arabs living in Judea and Samaria (under Israeli sovereignty) would become Jordanian citizens and Israel residents.

2. Annex Area C. Israel annexes all of Area C. Areas A and B remain self-governing territories.

3. City States. Seven "City States" or Emirates + Gaza, loosely joined. Israel annexes the remainder and grants Israeli citizenship to those Arabs outside those cities.

4. One State. Israel annexes all of Areas A, B and C (but excludes Gaza). Arabs receive Israeli citizenship. Some believe Israel would be able to maintain a majority under those circumstance.

5. The Puerto Rico solution. Israel annexes all of Areas A, B and C (again excluding Gaza). Arabs receive Israeli residency, but not citizenship.

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

Genocide is the best option to eradicate Palestinians.

 

[Shusha]

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

There is no suggestion of either in the options presented. Do you read?

 

[montelatici]

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

There is no suggestion of either in the options presented. Do you read?

Creating Bantustans that Israel will control, borders, air space, territorial sea will just replicate South African Apartheid.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

There is no suggestion of either in the options presented. Do you read?

Creating Bantustans that Israel will control, borders, air space, territorial sea will just replicate South African Apartheid.

1/3 of Israel is Arab. They live and worship as they please. Arabs serve in the IDF and are elected members of the Israeli government.
Try again.

 

[montelatici]

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

There is no suggestion of either in the options presented. Do you read?

Creating Bantustans that Israel will control, borders, air space, territorial sea will just replicate South African Apartheid.

1/3 of Israel is Arab. They live and worship as they please. Arabs serve in the IDF and are elected members of the Israeli government.
Try again.

50% of the population controlled by Israeli Jews is non-Jew. 20% of them are allotted citizenship by the Israeli state that controls and rules over them. About the same percentage of non-whites that Apartheid South Africa gave citizenship to.

Israel is an Apartheid state, just like Apartheid South Africa.

 

[Weatherman2020]

So, you have ethnic cleansing or apartheid?

There is no suggestion of either in the options presented. Do you read?

Creating Bantustans that Israel will control, borders, air space, territorial sea will just replicate South African Apartheid.

1/3 of Israel is Arab. They live and worship as they please. Arabs serve in the IDF and are elected members of the Israeli government.
Try again.

50% of the population controlled by Israeli Jews is non-Jew. 20% of them are allotted citizenship by the Israeli state that controls and rules over them. About the same percentage of non-whites that Apartheid South Africa gave citizenship to.

Israel is an Apartheid state, just like Apartheid South Africa.

Sure it is.
How many Jews in the Palestinian government?

 

[montelatici]

What Palestinian government? There is no Palestinian government.

 

[toomuchtime_]

What flag is that? I don't see them on the list of nations.

You need a better list.

When they arrive at Gaza we will be able to judge the level of their commitment.

Funny how they hide behind the US flag.

The people in the US support Palestine. Not the lackeys in the government, of course.

All the polls for many years have shown people in the US overwhelmingly support Israel over the Palestinians. Only a very small percentage of Americans support the Palestinians as a group.

 

[montelatici]

Americans are a very small part of the world population. Americans supported Apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world did not. Guess what happened. The sanctions bus will get started now that the one-state solution has been formalized. First thing, kick Israel out of world sporting organizations, starting with UEFA. Apartheid South Africans were more chagrined by their inability to participate in sporting events one of the worst aspect of sanctions against Apartheid.

"...Pew poll found vastly more unfavorable feelings toward Israel outside than within the United States, which registered a 27 percent unfavorable view of Israel and a 57 percent favorable view. In contrast, 44 percent of people in Britain had an unfavorable view of Israel. Unfavorable views of Israel were held by 62 percent in Germany, 65 percent in France, 66 percent in China and in the 80 percent to 90 percent range in Arab and Muslim countries...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0

 

[Weatherman2020]

What Palestinian government? There is no Palestinian government.

Oh good. No one to negotiate with then. Evict the nonresidents to Syria

Game Over, dufus.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Americans are a very small part of the world population. Americans supported Apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world did not. Guess what happened. The sanctions bus will get started now that the one-state solution has been formalized. First thing, kick Israel out of world sporting organizations, starting with UEFA. Apartheid South Africans were more chagrined by their inability to participate in sporting events one of the worst aspect of sanctions against Apartheid.

"...Pew poll found vastly more unfavorable feelings toward Israel outside than within the United States, which registered a 27 percent unfavorable view of Israel and a 57 percent favorable view. In contrast, 44 percent of people in Britain had an unfavorable view of Israel. Unfavorable views of Israel were held by 62 percent in Germany, 65 percent in France, 66 percent in China and in the 80 percent to 90 percent range in Arab and Muslim countries...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0

Who the fuck cares what you Islamo lovers think?

 

[Weatherman2020]

Americans are a very small part of the world population. Americans supported Apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world did not. Guess what happened. The sanctions bus will get started now that the one-state solution has been formalized. First thing, kick Israel out of world sporting organizations, starting with UEFA. Apartheid South Africans were more chagrined by their inability to participate in sporting events one of the worst aspect of sanctions against Apartheid.

"...Pew poll found vastly more unfavorable feelings toward Israel outside than within the United States, which registered a 27 percent unfavorable view of Israel and a 57 percent favorable view. In contrast, 44 percent of people in Britain had an unfavorable view of Israel. Unfavorable views of Israel were held by 62 percent in Germany, 65 percent in France, 66 percent in China and in the 80 percent to 90 percent range in Arab and Muslim countries...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0

Most Popular Religions In America: Jews Viewed Most Favorably With Muslims Least Favorable

 

[toomuchtime_]

Americans are a very small part of the world population. Americans supported Apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world did not. Guess what happened. The sanctions bus will get started now that the one-state solution has been formalized. First thing, kick Israel out of world sporting organizations, starting with UEFA. Apartheid South Africans were more chagrined by their inability to participate in sporting events one of the worst aspect of sanctions against Apartheid.

"...Pew poll found vastly more unfavorable feelings toward Israel outside than within the United States, which registered a 27 percent unfavorable view of Israel and a 57 percent favorable view. In contrast, 44 percent of people in Britain had an unfavorable view of Israel. Unfavorable views of Israel were held by 62 percent in Germany, 65 percent in France, 66 percent in China and in the 80 percent to 90 percent range in Arab and Muslim countries...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0

We all know about European anti semitism; it is a core value of European culture and the goal now to to prevent Europeans from engaging in another Holocaust, not to try to reform them.

 

[Mindful]

Americans are a very small part of the world population. Americans supported Apartheid South Africa, the rest of the world did not. Guess what happened. The sanctions bus will get started now that the one-state solution has been formalized. First thing, kick Israel out of world sporting organizations, starting with UEFA. Apartheid South Africans were more chagrined by their inability to participate in sporting events one of the worst aspect of sanctions against Apartheid.

"...Pew poll found vastly more unfavorable feelings toward Israel outside than within the United States, which registered a 27 percent unfavorable view of Israel and a 57 percent favorable view. In contrast, 44 percent of people in Britain had an unfavorable view of Israel. Unfavorable views of Israel were held by 62 percent in Germany, 65 percent in France, 66 percent in China and in the 80 percent to 90 percent range in Arab and Muslim countries...."

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/24/...n-israel-americans-hold-out-support.html?_r=0

Have you managed to convince anyone yet?

 

[Mindful]

We could start with the boundaries demarcated by the original British Mandate. That Mandate—informed by the 1917 Balfour Declaration, codified at the 1920 San Remo conference, given international legal status by the League of Nations in 1922, subsequently reaffirmed by the United Nations Charter—guaranteed the right of Jews to live in the entire territory. Those rights have never been formally or legally superseded. There is no basis for demanding a partition there.

We could skip ahead to the borders of the 1947 U. N. partition proposal. But that proposal was rejected by the Arabs, who invaded the nascent Jewish state immediately after its establishment and then lost the war, leaving behind the broader 1949 armistice lines. To demand that Israel subsequently revert to the narrower 1947 U. N. borders would mean that the Arabs lost nothing in starting that dreadful war—a war that resulted in the deaths of over 6000 Jews (1% of the Jewish population) and many thousands of Arabs, and produced hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees. This “do over” approach to international relations is not only unprecedented but would also unfairly penalize Israel for the Arabs’ decision to go to war in the first place, as well as absurdly minimize the disincentive for any country or people to starting a war in general—for if they lose the war, they can then demand the very thing they rejected to start the war in the first place.

Or perhaps to put this quite differently: Israel simply won the extra territory fair and square, in the course of defending itself from attack.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_direct_link.cfm/blog_id/65750

 

[P F Tinmore]

subsequently reaffirmed by the United Nations Charter—guaranteed the right of Jews to live in the entire territory.

Right, but if you read the Mandate document, that meant that the Jews who became Palestinian citizens could live anywhere in Palestine. That would apply to all Palestinian citizens. That wouldn't apply to people who were not Palestinian citizens.

 

[Mindful]

subsequently reaffirmed by the United Nations Charter—guaranteed the right of Jews to live in the entire territory.

Right, but if you read the Mandate document, that meant that the Jews who became Palestinian citizens could live anywhere in Palestine. That would apply to all Palestinian citizens. That wouldn't apply to people who were not Palestinian citizens.

Oh, you again.

 

[toomuchtime_]

subsequently reaffirmed by the United Nations Charter—guaranteed the right of Jews to live in the entire territory.

Right, but if you read the Mandate document, that meant that the Jews who became Palestinian citizens could live anywhere in Palestine. That would apply to all Palestinian citizens. That wouldn't apply to people who were not Palestinian citizens.

There were no Palestinians citizens then.