Trump said we pay for 90% of what NATO gets. Do you believe him?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

What do we need broken or killed along the southern border?

You do realize that most military bases are located on land that is absolutely useless for almost any other purpose.

For those of you who still don't get it, the military is NOT to be used as a Border Patrol.

Isn’t every military in the world there to keep people from running across their borders? If that isn’t the actual point of having a military what is? We have all of this military might to protect other people’s borders but not ours. And that makes sense to you?

It obviously makes sense to you because you simply made it up. The military is not designed nor intended to be a border patrol. That should be the end of discussion.

It makes sense to me that any military a country builds up is there to protect their own borders. Isn’t that the first reason you would build a military? Every military the world has ever had was there to defend the country from people trying to get in. It’s the first and foremost reason for having one.

People trying to get in is not an invading army hell bent on breaking things and killing people to the point they can take over your country. That is the purpose of the military. Perhaps if you had served you might understand a little better. If you did serve and still do not understand, you need a refresher course. Go see a recruiter, or if you were Army, give me a call!

So you think the military is here to defend people around the world with force. But should be Walmart greeters on our own borders.

Where on God's green earth did I say anything of the sort?

You are embarrassing yourself. Please stop.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

I watch and read the news in 4 different languages, and they all talk about how much the Orange lies lol....it's hilarious that they all have fact check section just for him LOL.

The amazing thing to me is Trump can visit a country and cause thousands of people to not only lose their minds but take time off work to act like idiots. One of their leaders comes here and a few New Yorkers are pissed off they fucked up traffic.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Isn’t every military in the world there to keep people from running across their borders? If that isn’t the actual point of having a military what is? We have all of this military might to protect other people’s borders but not ours. And that makes sense to you?

It obviously makes sense to you because you simply made it up. The military is not designed nor intended to be a border patrol. That should be the end of discussion.

It makes sense to me that any military a country builds up is there to protect their own borders. Isn’t that the first reason you would build a military? Every military the world has ever had was there to defend the country from people trying to get in. It’s the first and foremost reason for having one.

People trying to get in is not an invading army hell bent on breaking things and killing people to the point they can take over your country. That is the purpose of the military. Perhaps if you had served you might understand a little better. If you did serve and still do not understand, you need a refresher course. Go see a recruiter, or if you were Army, give me a call!

So you think the military is here to defend people around the world with force. But should be Walmart greeters on our own borders.

Where on God's green earth did I say anything of the sort?

You are embarrassing yourself. Please stop.

It’s embarrassing you actually think your an admiral. Your online fantasy has come to an end. Nobody with actual experience defending a nation would be so stupid.

 

[deanrd]

SMH
View attachment 204874
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2018_03/20180315_180315-pr2018-16-en.pdf

Does NATO have bases all over the world?

Does France have bases in the Middle East and in South Korea?

Does Luxembourg have bases in the Philippines?

An idiot would say "What does that have to do with the US spending more?"

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

90% of whatever military actions we have abroad is 100% our decision -- blaming NATO is a cop out -- we don't have military bases all over the world because of NATO -- we have them all over the world because of EMPIRE -- we are an empire, that is what empires do --- until they collapse

 

[McRocket]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

SMH
View attachment 204874
https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2018_03/20180315_180315-pr2018-16-en.pdf

Does NATO have bases all over the world?

Does France have bases in the Middle East and in South Korea?

Does Luxembourg have bases in the Philippines?

An idiot would say "What does that have to do with the US spending more?"

The thread is a lie the end.
Now if you want to discuss that topic start a new thread.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We don't have the manufacturing capabilities we had when WW I and WW II broke out for one thing, so the 'bring them all home' silliness isn't a good idea, and having a lot of forward bases is very much a great idea, and keeps the conflicts away from our shores. We learned isolationism is a joke and not a real possibility TWICE in the last century alone, so no need to make that mistake a third time, and with far less ability to respond to boot. You think the cost is high now, just wait until you have to rebuild entire industries from scratch while trying to stave off invasions and attacks while your trade routes are completely shut down by a dozen junk subs sent from some shtihole like NK.

/-----/ "We don't have the manufacturing capabilities we had when WW I and WW II broke out " Well this article pretty much backs up your claim, but I found this paragraph telling. It's exactly what President Trump is trying to accomplish: "Third, other countries do better at negotiating bilateral free trade agreements. They lower tariffs and export fees. That lowers their cost of manufacturing because import prices of supplies are less expensive."
5 Reasons Why America's Manufacturing Is Growing Again

 

[Wyatt earp]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

I know that and they are junk ski jump aircraft carriers , no match for ours ..

And once again great Britain is so damn poor military wise they had to rent a AWAC from us to protect their ships in the lybian war.

.

 

[Wyatt earp]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

And talk about ignorant, Russia would roll over Europe you ignorant fuck, they would be on the border of Spain before the USA could stop them.. They are built for land war.


.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

It obviously makes sense to you because you simply made it up. The military is not designed nor intended to be a border patrol. That should be the end of discussion.

It makes sense to me that any military a country builds up is there to protect their own borders. Isn’t that the first reason you would build a military? Every military the world has ever had was there to defend the country from people trying to get in. It’s the first and foremost reason for having one.

People trying to get in is not an invading army hell bent on breaking things and killing people to the point they can take over your country. That is the purpose of the military. Perhaps if you had served you might understand a little better. If you did serve and still do not understand, you need a refresher course. Go see a recruiter, or if you were Army, give me a call!

So you think the military is here to defend people around the world with force. But should be Walmart greeters on our own borders.

Where on God's green earth did I say anything of the sort?

You are embarrassing yourself. Please stop.

It’s embarrassing you actually think your an admiral. Your online fantasy has come to an end. Nobody with actual experience defending a nation would be so stupid.

I have claimed to be an admiral, as much as you would be from Missouri or named Mike. I never said to defend a nation was stupid. I am pointing out that the military is neither trained nor equipped to handle border security. Those functions are supplied by other services, so using the military would be redundant and wasteful.

Now, back to your fantasies!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

90% of whatever military actions we have abroad is 100% our decision -- blaming NATO is a cop out -- we don't have military bases all over the world because of NATO -- we have them all over the world because of EMPIRE -- we are an empire, that is what empires do --- until they collapse

You need to look up the definition of "empire" because you don't have it. Maybe you will learn when you get to high school or try for that GED.

 

[Wyatt earp]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

Btw you lie

Russia has one

India has two

China has two (building number three)

So that's five against three ( if you don't count the USA..


.

 

[McRocket]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

Btw you lie

Russia has one

India has two

China has two (building number three)

So that's five against three ( if you don't count the USA..


.

NATO means 'North Atlantic Treaty Organization'. It is purely a DEFENSIVE organization to protect Europe if attacked.

'NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its independent member states agree to mutual defence in response to an attack by any external party.'

NATO - Wikipedia

It has NOTHING to do with the Indian or Pacific Oceans you dumb shit.

 

[McRocket]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

And talk about ignorant, Russia would roll over Europe you ignorant fuck, they would be on the border of Spain before the USA could stop them.. They are built for land war.


.

You stupid moron...how can Russia 'roll over Europe' when Europe outspends Russia on military equipment by a factor of at least 4:1?

Check the link douche brain.

Defense Spending by Country

Fuck are you dumb.

 

[McRocket]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

I know that and they are junk ski jump aircraft carriers , no match for ours ..

And once again great Britain is so damn poor military wise they had to rent a AWAC from us to protect their ships in the lybian war.

.

What the fuck are you babbling about? GB spends more on her military than Russia does you dumb shit.

Defense Spending by Country

And what is this ski-jump nonsense. Both the Russian AND the two British carriers have ski jumps. And one Royal Navy carrier alone can carry and launch as many aircraft as Russia's one carrier.
That means that Royal Navy has more than double the fixed wing aircraft capacity as the Russian Navy. Plus, the Royal Navy will use F-35's which are stealthy. The Russian planes are NOT stealthy.


Stop talking - you are making a fool of yourself.

 

[harmonica]

...do they take into account how much it cost to maintain a Billion dollar aircraft carrier??
how much to maintain over a DOZEN carriers?? every year?

There is no clear way to tease out the fraction of American defense spending that primarily guards Europe.

''''American defense spending supports aircraft carriers in the Pacific, as well as troops in Europe'''''.
hahahhaha--idiots that do not know how the military/wars/conflicts work!!!
yes--you have include everything!!!
...you think they have units in the Pacific that they won't use if they have to?????!!!
....in time of war/conflicts/etc, different units will be assigned anywhere
in PG1, many units were transferred to the PG1 area
..https://www.marines.mil/Portals/59/Publications/U.S. MARINES IN THE PERSIAN GULF 1990-1991 EXPEDITIONARY FORCE PCN 19000317200_1.pdf?ver=2012-10-11-164211-400
Marines used for NATO duty
1st U.S. Marines Land in Bosnia for NATO Duty
1st Marine Regiment (United States) - Wikipedia
Marine Corps Forces Reserves > Major Subordinate Commands > 4th Marine Division > 4th Tank Battalion
Marines took tanks out of secret caves to do military exercises near Russia's northern border for the first time
Marine battalion back at Camp Pendleton after 7-month deployment[/QUOTE]

 

[Wyatt earp]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

Btw you lie

Russia has one

India has two

China has two (building number three)

So that's five against three ( if you don't count the USA..


.

NATO means 'North Atlantic Treaty Organization'. It is purely a DEFENSIVE organization to protect Europe if attacked.

'NATO constitutes a system of collective defence whereby its independent member states agree to mutual defence in response to an attack by any external party.'

NATO - Wikipedia

It has NOTHING to do with the Indian or Pacific Oceans you dumb shit.

Only children revert to wiki, btw Australia and new Zealand have a strong relationship with NATO you little ignorant prick..


Now show us where they are on a map?


.

 

[Wyatt earp]

FACT CHECK: Trump's Claims On NATO Spending

No, US does not pay for 70 or 90 percent of NATO

Obama applauds halt to decline in NATO spending

How NATO is funded and who pays what

We all saw Trump say the US pays 90% of what goes to NATO during this trip to Europe. In fact he said it more than once.

So what does the US actually pay?

22%

Yep, 22%, not 90%.

And it was back in 2014 that Obama demanded NATO paid more. And after the Russian invasion of the Ukraine and the annexation of Crimea, they got on the ball. They scheduled the increases into their economy. and we saw the amount they pay increasing a couple of years ago. Before Trump took office.

So the upcoming increases were negotiated by Obama, not Trump.

It's all right there. Easy to look up. VERY recent history. Believe what you want, but those are the facts.

Remind us if NATO could take on the Minnesota national gaurd?


I doubt it.


If NATO pays so much where are their aircraft carriers? Subs???


.

Are you joking or just stupid/ignorant?

The Royal Navy is putting the finishing touches on 2 aircraft carriers...the 70,000 ton Queen Elizabeth class ships which will fly F-35B's (the same that the U.S. Marines use).

The French Navy has the Charles De Gaulle...a 42,000 ton, nuclear powered, aircraft carrier (technically not part of NATO - but would obviously help NATO if needed).

Russia has only one aircraft carrier - the 28 year old, 55,000 ton Kuznetsov.


That means non-US NATO has a 2 to 1 aircraft carrier superiority against Russia (3:1 if you count France's)...which is the only major country it is supposed to defend against.

In terms of military spending, just the UK and Germany combined outspend Russia by MORE than 2:1.

Defense Spending by Country

Even at NATO's present level of spending, Russia's conventional forces are no match whatsoever for NATO (minus America).


Do yourself a favor, when you have no idea what you are talking about (like above), keep your mouth shut and you will not be made to look so stupid/ignorant.

Ta ta.

I know that and they are junk ski jump aircraft carriers , no match for ours ..

And once again great Britain is so damn poor military wise they had to rent a AWAC from us to protect their ships in the lybian war.

.

What the fuck are you babbling about? GB spends more on her military than Russia does you dumb shit.

Defense Spending by Country

And what is this ski-jump nonsense. Both the Russian AND the two British carriers have ski jumps. And one Royal Navy carrier alone can carry and launch as many aircraft as Russia's one carrier.
That means that Royal Navy has more than double the fixed wing aircraft capacity as the Russian Navy. Plus, the Royal Navy will use F-35's which are stealthy. The Russian planes are NOT stealthy.


Stop talking - you are making a fool of yourself.

Ski jump carriers once again are useless military hardware.... Learn you ignorant moron


Their is no way in hell Germanany could stop an invasion from Russia..

 

[deanrd]

90% of whatever military actions we have abroad is 100% our decision -- blaming NATO is a cop out -- we don't have military bases all over the world because of NATO -- we have them all over the world because of EMPIRE -- we are an empire, that is what empires do --- until they collapse

Russia had an empire with the Soviet Union. They put up walls to keep people in. People trying to leave were shot.

Do we do that? Besides Trump trying to, we don't do that.

Do you even think before write anything. Because you give every indication of know nothing.