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[Moonglow]

When nutsy RWers start screaming about how far left the Democratic party has gone...I laugh and point to the Eisenhower administration.

IKE would totally agree with GOP agenda today, perhaps he would feel it too left.

Eisenhower firmly rebuked the reactionary wing of the Republican Party. In a 1954 letter to his brother, Edgar Newton Eisenhower, he wrote:



Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group, of course, that believes you can do these things. Among them are H. L. Hunt (you possibly know his background), a few other Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.5 Their number is negligible and they are stupid.
He did cut taxes, though. In 1953, when he took office, the top marginal income tax rate was 92%. Ike thought this was out-
rageous. He cut the rate to 91%. That's well more than twice the top rate that Obama proposes.

Open Left Republican Socialists of America

Even Reagan supported some socialist programs and raised taxes(even as Gov. of California)....ran up the deficit, saved SS..

 

[Bush92]

"If you want total security, go to prison. There you're fed, clothed, given medical care and so on. The only thing lacking... is freedom."
-IKE
Just like socialist promise of economic security. Now...can you refute original post?

 

[Bush92]

Gee, Reagan doesn't sound like a socialist?

 

[Moonglow]

Is their anything this man says thats outside the rhetoric and policies of the Democratic Party? No. Nothing. This is how far left Dems have become. Their agenda matches Socialist Workers Party.

Um...did you notice that your video title says he is part of the Socialist Workers' Party?

There has been some sort of socialist party in America since way before we were born, it has also been way before we were born that any of that stuff got any traction in American politics. It has been a useful boogyman to scare the low information conservative into supporting various government sponsored social programs for the upper crust and to excuse them from prosecution.

So you believe in redistribution of the wealth?

Sure, my great grandparents and their parents and their parents enjoyed the free land...

 

[Moonglow]

Gee, Reagan doesn't sound like a socialist?

Gee he didn't sound like one , yet did nothing to get rid of social programs...he kept them.. Just as every republican president has done since they were enacted...

 

[Moonglow]

Gee, Reagan doesn't sound like a socialist?

Gee he didn't sound like one , yet did nothing to get rid of social programs...he kept them.. Just as every republican president has done since they were enacted...

And he was a union member....president at one time...

 

[Moonglow]

Rugged individualism is what America was founded on.

And booze

 

[Bush92]

Moonglow nor any other liberal on this site can repudiate the original post.

 

[Moonglow]

Is their anything this man says thats outside the rhetoric and policies of the Democratic Party? No. Nothing. This is how far left Dems have become. Their agenda matches Socialist Workers Party.

Tell me do you know the difference between a liberal and a socialist? Obviously you have no idea. Many of you cons can't.

That's because there isn't much these days.

As usual the deep thinker spills over with knowledge and intent...

 

[Bush92]

Gee, Reagan doesn't sound like a socialist?

Gee he didn't sound like one , yet did nothing to get rid of social programs...he kept them.. Just as every republican president has done since they were enacted...

And he was a union member....president at one time...

Helped root out commies.

 

[Moonglow]

Even the wimp raised taxes, but don't let me cloud your dream of perfection by a known rino

 

[Bush92]

Even the wimp raised taxes, but don't let me cloud your dream of perfection by a known rino

What does this have to do with original post that started the thread ?

 

[Carla_Danger]

Is their anything this man says thats outside the rhetoric and policies of the Democratic Party? No. Nothing. This is how far left Dems have become. Their agenda matches Socialist Workers Party.

I hate to judge someone from just a 4 minute clip. Aside from the video, I know nothing about the man. I didn't hear him say anything for you to get your panties in a wad over. I hear him being concerned with working Americans....oh, the horrors!!!

Maybe if he spent a little more time talking about Freedumb and Jeebus, or rugged individualism.... (eye roll)

 

[Bush92]

Is their anything this man says thats outside the rhetoric and policies of the Democratic Party? No. Nothing. This is how far left Dems have become. Their agenda matches Socialist Workers Party.

I hate to judge someone from just a 4 minute clip. Aside from the video, I know nothing about the man. I didn't hear him say anything for you to get your panties in a wad over. I hear him being concerned with working Americans....oh, the horrors!!!

Maybe if he spent a little more time talking about Freedumb and Jeebus, or rugged individualism.... (eye roll)

"I see your true colors shining through...your truuuuuue colors..."

 

[tosacco]

One of the primary characteristics of socialism is State control of the means of production. Neither Obama or any other member of the Democratic Party has pushed for this. How many for-profit companies has Obama bailed out? He bailed out the banks. His healthcare overhaul bailed out for-profit healthcare companies. A real socialist or Marxist administration would have happily let these companies flounder.

Obama is the first president in 40 years to have the government sector of the economy has shrunk in the first three years of his term. Have there been some aspects of the welfare state that has grown over Obama's time in office? Sure. But that doesn't mean he's a socialist. At worst you could call him centrist. Most socialists throughout the world would consider him right-of-center.

 

[Rikurzhen]

One of the primary characteristics of socialism is State control of the means of production. Neither Obama or any other member of the Democratic Party has pushed for this. How many for-profit companies has Obama bailed out? He bailed out the banks. His healthcare overhaul bailed out for-profit healthcare companies. A real socialist or Marxist administration would have happily let these companies flounder.

Obama is the first president in 40 years to have the government sector of the economy has shrunk in the first three years of his term. Have there been some aspects of the welfare state that has grown over Obama's time in office? Sure. But that doesn't mean he's a socialist. At worst you could call him centrist. Most socialists throughout the world would consider him right-of-center.

State control ≠ State Ownership.

State Control can be achieved via State Regulation. See ObamaCare and Health Insurance industry. What difference does it make whether government owns the insurers if it has to power to have insurers do its bidding?

 

[tosacco]

State control ≠ State Ownership.

State Control can be achieved via State Regulation. See ObamaCare and Health Insurance industry. What difference does it make whether government owns the insurers if it has to power to have insurers do its bidding?

Well, it technically makes a difference, since the insurers are not "socially owned."

 

[Bush92]

One of the primary characteristics of socialism is State control of the means of production. Neither Obama or any other member of the Democratic Party has pushed for this. How many for-profit companies has Obama bailed out? He bailed out the banks. His healthcare overhaul bailed out for-profit healthcare companies. A real socialist or Marxist administration would have happily let these companies flounder.

Obama is the first president in 40 years to have the government sector of the economy has shrunk in the first three years of his term. Have there been some aspects of the welfare state that has grown over Obama's time in office? Sure. But that doesn't mean he's a socialist. At worst you could call him centrist. Most socialists throughout the world would consider him right-of-center.

We are finally seeing the effects of his health care policy now that it has been read. Will result in total control of health care by government. Obama by his own words is a socialist.Red Tape Rising Obama-Era Regulations

 

[Rikurzhen]

State control ≠ State Ownership.

State Control can be achieved via State Regulation. See ObamaCare and Health Insurance industry. What difference does it make whether government owns the insurers if it has to power to have insurers do its bidding?

Well, it technically makes a difference, since the insurers are not "socially owned."

A socially owned enterprise gets to keep the profit, that's one side of the ledger. The other side of the ledger is that capital is required to earn that profit and so society has to pony up the capital.

Regulation allows the State to control the enterprise at the expense of foregoing profit but also saving itself the cost of supplying the capital to run the enterprise.

 

[Bush92]

Socialism:
a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.

synonyms:

leftism, welfarism;

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