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"There are three kinds of lies; there's lies, damned lies, and statistics."- Twain
Interesting that you use the 'wildly differant' shapes as though that were some sort of evidence. Since each proxy is a measure of a differant quantity, that means some would go up, some down, with increasing or decreasing temperature, rainfall, or other factors.
Ian, the scientists are doing careful deliberate work, you skeptics have destroyed any credibility you ever had by careless statements, and by the use of 'evidence' that has been completely destroyed by careful research.
Up to 2000, you were all stating that there was no warming, that it was all fudged data. After everyone could see that there was indeed some pretty strong warming, then you stated that it was natural varition from natural causes, but cannot name those causes. Today, you are stating that there is going to be cooling in the future, yet cannot name why, or how much.
The scientists studying this issue, state there is going to be warming, and by at least 2 C by the end of this century. This year, neutral ENSO, decline in TSI, looks like it will be the warmest on record. Some cooling.
Deflection Old Rocks. Talk about your 73 proxies not straw man positions that you give to the wildly diverse groups that you clump together as 'skeptics'.
The recent large change to the Arctic portion of Pages2K was due in most part to one proxy that was flipped upsidedown into the correct orientation (while leaving another similar proxy in the wrong orientation). Many, or most of these proxies are arbitrarily used or selected by their usefulness to a preconceived conclusion.
Interesting that you use the 'wildly differant' shapes as though that were some sort of evidence. Since each proxy is a measure of a differant quantity, that means some would go up, some down, with increasing or decreasing temperature, rainfall, or other factors.
Ian, the scientists are doing careful deliberate work, you skeptics have destroyed any credibility you ever had by careless statements, and by the use of 'evidence' that has been completely destroyed by careful research.
Up to 2000, you were all stating that there was no warming, that it was all fudged data. After everyone could see that there was indeed some pretty strong warming, then you stated that it was natural varition from natural causes, but cannot name those causes. Today, you are stating that there is going to be cooling in the future, yet cannot name why, or how much.
The scientists studying this issue, state there is going to be warming, and by at least 2 C by the end of this century. This year, neutral ENSO, decline in TSI, looks like it will be the warmest on record. Some cooling.
Yeah, I've been saying its a fraud since at least 1995.more exposed fraud..........AGW is a hoax. Said it nearly 20 years ago.
One of the main problems with climate science is that they neither seek out or accept advice from statistians.
One of the main problems with climate science is that they neither seek out or accept advice from statistians.
Do you have some substantiation for that assertion?
True face of climate s hockey stick graph revealed - environment - 07 March 2013 - New Scientist
Shaun Marcott of Oregon State University in Corvallis and colleagues have compiled 73 such proxies from around the world, all of which reach back to the end of the last glacial period, 11,300 years ago. During this period, known as the Holocene, the climate has been relatively warm – and civilisation has flourished.
"Most global temperature reconstructions have only spanned the past 2000 years," says Marcott.
Marcott's graph shows temperatures rising slowly after the ice age, until they peaked 9500 years ago. The total rise over that period was about 0.6 °C. They then held steady until around 5500 years ago, when they began slowly falling again until around 1850. The drop was 0.7 °C, roughly reversing the previous rise.
Then, in the late 19th century, the graph shows temperatures shooting up, driven by humanity's greenhouse gas emissions.
Hmmmmmmm................ 73 differant proxies.
which one of the 73 proxies do you consider to be the smoking gun?