Torture In Israel

[Billo_Really]

Sherri pumpkin, get over yourself. Really. "hated when speaking the truth"? no, if you're not appriciated by some is because your views are different, and your inner truth is different, too. You're not the Messiah, and it is not your job to fix the world, or fix others. If you feel complete with yourself and your life, good for you. Don't try coming here telling others that you know best and they are all wrong. Because surely your black and white world is not the pure truth, even if you think it is.

Your post has nothing to do with Sherri, but everything to do with you. That is your reaction you choose to have to her posts, so fuckin' own it!

 

[Lipush]

Sherri pumpkin, get over yourself. Really. "hated when speaking the truth"? no, if you're not appriciated by some is because your views are different, and your inner truth is different, too. You're not the Messiah, and it is not your job to fix the world, or fix others. If you feel complete with yourself and your life, good for you. Don't try coming here telling others that you know best and they are all wrong. Because surely your black and white world is not the pure truth, even if you think it is.

Your post has nothing to do with Sherri, but everything to do with you. That is your reaction you choose to have to her posts, so fuckin' own it!

Are you sherri's lawyer? my post was adressed to her, she's smart enough to answer me if needed, she's not in need to use you as her voice and tickling-keyboard- pal.

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you sherri's lawyer? my post was adressed to her, she's smart enough to answer me if needed, she's not in need to use you as her voice and tickling-keyboard- pal.

I know that. You were talkin' a bunch of shit and I wanted to call you on it. You were blaming her for your reaction to her post.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

name caller,

You did not know that we are the Great Satan?

We speak of the specks in their eyes, while ignoring the log in our very own eyes

We are the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons, we used them against two civilian cities in WWII.

We fire bombed cities, killing hundreds of thousands, in Japan.

We used napalm in Europe, against civilians.

We set up our very own concentration camps for the Japanese in World War II.

We caused over 1 million to die in our war we started in Iraq, that is after we caused the deaths of millions with sanctions there.

We sent Saddam components to make chemical weapons with, and watched as he used them in wars with his enemies and against civilians in his own country, that is before we invaded his country.

I expect there is no nation in existence today that has caused as much death and destruction as we have.

So get off your horse and rub your face in the dirt, where all Americans belong, for all we have done, and sat in silence and watched our government do.

What we all deserve is to burn in hell.

May God forgive us and have mercy on our souls.

Sherri

I expect there is no nation in existence today that has caused as much death and destruction as we have.

That's because you're a moron.
How many tens of millions did the Communist regimes kill in the last century?

Toddster,

Let's see some sources and numbers.

Sherri

The Black Book of Communism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[P F Tinmore]

Global Research is among the really sleazy supermarket tabloid style News sites. 'What really happened' has a similar mission of posting outrageous material that seems to compete with the print tabloids such as the Star magazine and similar trash you find at the supermarket check out line.

It's telling that people are so willing to abandon their credibility by posting articles from trash websites.

You're not fooling anybody. When you have no argument, you discredit the source. Unfortunately for you, in order to do that, you have to make shit up.

It's far from a tabloid media outlet.

It's an independant, non-profit, so that's shoots your "bias" claim out of the sky.

The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) is an independent research and media organization based in Montreal. The CRG is a registered non profit organization in the province of Quebec, Canada.

They're linked to many colleges and universities.


They're in the top 50 alternative news outlets.


They were voted best research website (something Fox will never win).

In 2008, Global Research and Professor Chossudovsky were awarded The First National Prize of the Mexican Press Club, for the "Best Research Website" at the international level.

This is a pretty aclaimed website.

In the course of the last few years, several Global Research authors have received awards for their writings.

Global Research has become one of the main alternative media websites in North America.

Source: Alexa. Global Research is ranked among the 15,000 most popular websites Worldwide and among the top 7000 in the US

You just don't like them because you can't argue against the claims in their reports.

BTW, the source of the report wasn't Global Research, it was DCI/Palestine. So all your post showed, was that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

The system will not allow me to give you a positive rep so...

 

[Roudy]

Are you trying to convince me that there is no bias in that article you produced?

The author has several years of experience in marketing research: he is neither an expert on international law nor a journalist. He freely describes himself as an 'activist', and so his 'articles' are not factual reports but a form of 'activism' or 'adovocacy' for a particular position and world view. I'm familiar with his views from reading other pieces he's written. And I do not agree with his basic underlying assumptions.

I have no respect for Lendman, nor his views, nor the organization which he relied upon for his source. My reasons for that lack of respect go back several decades, so it'd take some time for me to cover all the details.

But it really doesn't matter. I don't get the impression you are very interested at all in what anyone else actually thinks or feels. I may be mistaken - I seldom rule out that possibility!

Obviously he doesn't care. Any bullshit negative article written about Israel is true until proven false by idiots like Groinless-boy.

 

[Roudy]

Indian genocide - Killed 80 MILLION - YouTube

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13dv1REq09o&feature=youtube_gdata_player]THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ISLAM - YouTube[/ame]

name caller,

There were not 80 million people killed in a genocide in India, there may have been 500,000 to 1 million killed. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article addressing genocides in history.

Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But if that were really true, 80 million killed in an Indian genocide, we should rename that the real Holocaust, as 80 million would be about 16 times the number of Jews Hitler killed.

Sherri

Not my fault you're an ignorant, illiterate whore that has sold her soul to Islamic barbarism. Although that and other subsequent massacres and genocides by Muslim animals were also horrific, it was NOT the one I was referring to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Hindus#During_Islamic_rule_of_the_Indian_sub-continent

During Islamic rule of the Indian sub-continent

Photograph of the Surya Temple, The most impressive and grandest ruins in Kashmir, at Marttand-Hardy Cole's Archaeological Survey of India Report 'Illustrations of Ancient Buildings in Kashmir.' (1869) The Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent led to widespread carnage because Muslims regarded the Hindus as infidels and therefore slaughtered and converted millions of Hindus. Will Durant argued in his 1935 book The Story of Civilization: Our Oriental Heritage (page 459):
“The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within. The Hindus had allowed their strength to be wasted in internal division and war; they had adopted religions like Buddhism and Jainism, which unnerved them for the tasks of life; they had failed to organize their forces for the protection of their frontiers and their capitals, their wealth and their freedom, from the hordes of Scythians, Huns, Afghans and Turks hovering about India's boundaries and waiting for national weakness to let them in. For four hundred years (600-I 000 A.D.) India invited conquest; and at last it came. ”
There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Muslims.
As Braudel put it: "The levies it had to pay were so crushing that one catastrophic harvest was enough to unleash famines and epidemics capable of killing a million people at a time. Appalling poverty was the constant counterpart of the conquerors' opulence."
The backward castes of Hinduism suffered worst. Monarchs (belonging to backward castes) such as Khusrau Bhangi Khan, Hemchandra and Garha-Katanga were knocked off their throne and executed. Backward caste saints like Namadeva[1] were arrested, while women like Kanhopatra were forced to commit suicide. Ghisadis have an “Urdu” title.[2]
Prof. K.S. Lal, suggests a calculation in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India which estimates that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. Even those Hindus who converted to Islam were not immune from persecution, which was illustrated by the Muslim Caste System in India as established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari.[3] where they were regarded as "Ajlaf" caste and subjected to severe discrimination by the "Ashraf" castes.[4]

 

[SAYIT]

Sherri pumpkin, get over yourself. Really. "hated when speaking the truth"? no, if you're not appriciated by some is because your views are different, and your inner truth is different, too. You're not the Messiah, and it is not your job to fix the world, or fix others. If you feel complete with yourself and your life, good for you. Don't try coming here telling others that you know best and they are all wrong. Because surely your black and white world is not the pure truth, even if you think it is.

Your post has nothing to do with Sherri, but everything to do with you. That is your reaction you choose to have to her posts, so fuckin' own it!

Funny, for a boy who wears the red, white and blue you are workin' overtime to defend Sherri, who makes no bones about her hate for the red, white and blue and those who believe in it.
Clearly your hate trumps your love so fuckin' eat it!

 

[SAYIT]

Are you sherri's lawyer? my post was adressed to her, she's smart enough to answer me if needed, she's not in need to use you as her voice and tickling-keyboard- pal.

I know that. You were talkin' a bunch of shit and I wanted to call you on it. You were blaming her for your reaction to her post.

Sherri is an unabashed America hater, Loincloth. Should I take your rabid defense of her hate to mean you share her view of us because if so, get the fuck out!

 

[SAYIT]

name caller,

You did not know that we are the Great Satan?

We speak of the specks in their eyes, while ignoring the log in our very own eyes

We are the only ones to ever use nuclear weapons, we used them against two civilian cities in WWII.

We fire bombed cities, killing hundreds of thousands, in Japan.

We used napalm in Europe, against civilians.

We set up our very own concentration camps for the Japanese in World War II.

We caused over 1 million to die in our war we started in Iraq, that is after we caused the deaths of millions with sanctions there.

We sent Saddam components to make chemical weapons with, and watched as he used them in wars with his enemies and against civilians in his own country, that is before we invaded his country.

I expect there is no nation in existence today that has caused as much death and destruction as we have.

So get off your horse and rub your face in the dirt, where all Americans belong, for all we have done, and sat in silence and watched our government do.

What we all deserve is to burn in hell.

May God forgive us and have mercy on our souls.

Sherri

I won't even bother to balance the scale or provide you with some perspective, Sherri, as you clearly are way over the edge and thoroughly immersed in your hate for America and Americans. Allow me to suggest you put your money where your mouth is and get the fuck out. I hear Iran is beautiful this time of year. Surely you would be much happier in a place like that.

SAYIT,

Perspective, does that wipe away all the lives we have taken?

Do we stand absolved of all guilt by that perspective you mention?

Bottomline, I think yoiu are afraid to face all we have done, and all your post is about is your fear.

Tell me to go away, then you do not have to look in the mirror and see who we Americans really are.

I want your hate, I will be Blessed and rewarded by God, when I am hated for speaking Truth.

And you, you will be judged on how you respond to Truth.

Sherri

Don't flatter yourself, Princess, you aren't worthy of my hate you pathetic self-absorbed twit. You barely rate disdain. The fact is sometimes war is inevitable and to buy into that "America: The Great Satan" camel crap is to sell your soul. Yours is lost to you. Let me again suggest you leave this evil place and find yourself a home where you won't be so filled with hate and rancor.

 

[Billo_Really]

Don't flatter yourself, Princess, you aren't worthy of my hate you pathetic self-absorbed twit. You barely rate disdain. The fact is sometimes war is inevitable and to buy into that "America: The Great Satan" camel crap is to sell your soul. Yours is lost to you. Let me again suggest you leave this evil place and find yourself a home where you won't be so filled with hate and rancor.

Do you think God blesses people who make up lies to attack sovereign nations that result in over 1 million innocent lives being lost?

 

[Billo_Really]

Sherri is an unabashed America hater, Loincloth. Should I take your rabid defense of her hate to mean you share her view of us because if so, get the fuck out!

I ain't going anywhere. The only option you have is to learn how to deal with me.

As for "America hater", that is one who does things that are opposite of the tenets this country was founded upon. If you support un-provoked wars of aggression, then you're the one who hates America, because that is a German trait, not an American one. If you think Islam is the root of all evil and must be stopped at all costs, then you're a racist and this country has no use for you. If you believe in indefinate detention, then you should probably live in Israel, not here. Because American's believe in due process of law.

 

[Billo_Really]

Funny, for a boy who wears the red, white and blue you are workin' overtime to defend Sherri, who makes no bones about her hate for the red, white and blue and those who believe in it.
Clearly your hate trumps your love so fuckin' eat it!

She doesn't hate America. That's just the picture you're trying to paint. People who don't blame America at all, are more akin to the folks in Weimar, than they are here. Because American's believe in dissent, not goose-stepping parrots.

 

[Billo_Really]

Are you trying to convince me that there is no bias in that article you produced?

The author has several years of experience in marketing research: he is neither an expert on international law nor a journalist. He freely describes himself as an 'activist', and so his 'articles' are not factual reports but a form of 'activism' or 'adovocacy' for a particular position and world view. I'm familiar with his views from reading other pieces he's written. And I do not agree with his basic underlying assumptions.

I have no respect for Lendman, nor his views, nor the organization which he relied upon for his source. My reasons for that lack of respect go back several decades, so it'd take some time for me to cover all the details.

But it really doesn't matter. I don't get the impression you are very interested at all in what anyone else actually thinks or feels. I may be mistaken - I seldom rule out that possibility!

As a matter of fact, if you got something to say, I'm all ears. But you need to realize, you're not offering any evidence of your own. You're merely giving your personal opinion of the website I linked. And I'm not going to argue against anyones belief's. You're free to believe whatever you want to believe. It's only when you start pushing that belief as a "fact", with no corroborative evidence to back it up, is where I draw the line.

Show me evidence that proves the article wrong and I'll change my opinion.

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

Sherri pumpkin, get over yourself. Really. "hated when speaking the truth"? no, if you're not appriciated by some is because your views are different, and your inner truth is different, too. You're not the Messiah, and it is not your job to fix the world, or fix others. If you feel complete with yourself and your life, good for you. Don't try coming here telling others that you know best and they are all wrong. Because surely your black and white world is not the pure truth, even if you think it is.

Your post has nothing to do with Sherri, but everything to do with you. That is your reaction you choose to have to her posts, so fuckin' own it!

Funny, for a boy who wears the red, white and blue you are workin' overtime to defend Sherri, who makes no bones about her hate for the red, white and blue and those who believe in it.
Clearly your hate trumps your love so fuckin' eat it!

SAYIT,

Being critical of the bad acts of one's nation is not hate. Spend some time reading the Book of Isaiah, and notice how many critical statements the Prophet Isaiah made about his own people. Read what Jesus said to members of his own Jewish people in Matthew 23. They did not hate their own people, they just hated what evil the people were engaged in. And neither the Prophets, like Isaiah, nor the Messiah, Jesus, was silent in the face of these bad acts of their own people. And I will follow their example and respond to the bad acts of my own people, in that very same way they both did.

I just noticed something my post clearly demonstrated, there is authority within both The Old Testament and The New Testament for a person to be critical of bad acts of their own people.

What do I desire above all by by criticism? That we change course, change our ways, in the way we treat others.

Sherri

 

[SherriMunnerlyn]

THE BIGGEST CRIME OF ISLAM - YouTube

name caller,

There were not 80 million people killed in a genocide in India, there may have been 500,000 to 1 million killed. Here is a link to a Wikipedia article addressing genocides in history.

Genocides in history - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

But if that were really true, 80 million killed in an Indian genocide, we should rename that the real Holocaust, as 80 million would be about 16 times the number of Jews Hitler killed.

Sherri

Not my fault you're an ignorant, illiterate whore that has sold her soul to Islamic barbarism. Although that and other subsequent massacres and genocides by Muslim animals were also horrific, it was NOT the one I was referring to.

Persecution of Hindus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During Islamic rule of the Indian sub-continent

Photograph of the Surya Temple, The most impressive and grandest ruins in Kashmir, at Marttand-Hardy Cole's Archaeological Survey of India Report 'Illustrations of Ancient Buildings in Kashmir.' (1869) The Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent led to widespread carnage because Muslims regarded the Hindus as infidels and therefore slaughtered and converted millions of Hindus. Will Durant argued in his 1935 book The Story of Civilization: Our Oriental Heritage (page 459):
“The Mohammedan Conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precarious thing, whose delicate complex of order and liberty, culture and peace may at any time be overthrown by barbarians invading from without or multiplying within. The Hindus had allowed their strength to be wasted in internal division and war; they had adopted religions like Buddhism and Jainism, which unnerved them for the tasks of life; they had failed to organize their forces for the protection of their frontiers and their capitals, their wealth and their freedom, from the hordes of Scythians, Huns, Afghans and Turks hovering about India's boundaries and waiting for national weakness to let them in. For four hundred years (600-I 000 A.D.) India invited conquest; and at last it came. ”
There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Muslims.
As Braudel put it: "The levies it had to pay were so crushing that one catastrophic harvest was enough to unleash famines and epidemics capable of killing a million people at a time. Appalling poverty was the constant counterpart of the conquerors' opulence."
The backward castes of Hinduism suffered worst. Monarchs (belonging to backward castes) such as Khusrau Bhangi Khan, Hemchandra and Garha-Katanga were knocked off their throne and executed. Backward caste saints like Namadeva[1] were arrested, while women like Kanhopatra were forced to commit suicide. Ghisadis have an “Urdu” title.[2]
Prof. K.S. Lal, suggests a calculation in his book Growth of Muslim Population in Medieval India which estimates that between the years 1000 AD and 1500 AD the population of Hindus decreased by 80 million. Even those Hindus who converted to Islam were not immune from persecution, which was illustrated by the Muslim Caste System in India as established by Ziauddin al-Barani in the Fatawa-i Jahandari.[3] where they were regarded as "Ajlaf" caste and subjected to severe discrimination by the "Ashraf" castes.[4]

name caller.

Your article does not state 80 million were killed.

Your article does not state a genocide occurred, killing 80 million in India.

It appears many of the 80 million figure, which was a population decease in Hindus over a 500 year period, that is being referred to, were people who converted to Islam over a 500 year period, between 1000 AD and 1500 AD.

And it is a sad thing, how religions have forced conversions on others, or pressured conversions, we see that with Christians in the Crusades, even Jews did it. Herod was an Edomite whose family was forced to convert to Judaism.

Forced conversions, I do not think they are a good thing, but they are not genocide. And actually you are not solely addressing forced conversions, you are addressing what happens when people in power are a certain religion, that religion often is embraced by the indigenous peoples, increasingly more and more convert, over time. Look at America, many Native Americans today are Christians. And that is what happened in Palestine, with the population becoming Muslim, as well.

On the issue of genocide, there was an Afghan town of Shiites, and the Taliban went from one side of the town to the other, and they rounded up all the Shiites, they said they could tell who was a Shiite by their personal appearance. They said convert and be a Sunni, or die. And they put them in barrels and buses and men, women, and children were left in the buses and containers and suffocated to death. And there were no more Shiites left in that village. That is a story Robert Frisk wrote about, that is an illustration of genocide of a village.

Sherri

 

[MHunterB]

Loinboy - Lendman doesn't particularly offer any 'evidence' except accounts purportedly given to the DCI people. Those are a group and individuals I know nothing about, so I can't fully evaluate their methodology or their reliablity.

It's pretty much ALL just opinions, when one comes down to it. Any actual 'evidence' is second-hand, filtered who-knows-how through who-knows-what biases .....

Not denying that wrongdoings do occur. Just VERY skeptical about the sources, as I've seen many so-claimed 'humanitarian' groups pimping a particular agenda.

 

[Billo_Really]

Loinboy - Lendman doesn't particularly offer any 'evidence' except accounts purportedly given to the DCI people. Those are a group and individuals I know nothing about, so I can't fully evaluate their methodology or their reliablity.

It's pretty much ALL just opinions, when one comes down to it. Any actual 'evidence' is second-hand, filtered who-knows-how through who-knows-what biases .....

Not denying that wrongdoings do occur. Just VERY skeptical about the sources, as I've seen many so-claimed 'humanitarian' groups pimping a particular agenda.

They documented 34 cases. That's more than just opinion. I usually give the benefit of the doubt, unless I have reason not too. Look at it from a judicial perspective, if you object to a claim someone has said (and the evidence they provided), you need to show evidence to the contrary in order to prove to a judge, that your objection is not frivolous. If you don't, the judge won't even hear what you have to say.

 

[MHunterB]

Your 'illustration' is a bit flawed there. The 'evidence' is verbal testimony which isn't necessarily supported or corroborated by anyone who has a reason to be IMpartial. (Yes I know there are scars, but the account of how they came to be is only verbal, isn't it?)

I'm going to 'predict' that someone will make nasty comments about my being 'cold-blooded' here, which is fine. I was 'cold-blooded' when hearing the stories about Iraqi troops taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators, too......

 

[Billo_Really]

Your 'illustration' is a bit flawed there. The 'evidence' is verbal testimony which isn't necessarily supported or corroborated by anyone who has a reason to be IMpartial. (Yes I know there are scars, but the account of how they came to be is only verbal, isn't it?)

I'm going to 'predict' that someone will make nasty comments about my being 'cold-blooded' here, which is fine. I was 'cold-blooded' when hearing the stories about Iraqi troops taking Kuwaiti babies out of incubators, too......

How do you submit a verbal report to the UN?