To Cut or Not to Cut

[Granny]

Is this shit never going to end!!?? Now the state of MA is being encouraged to ban circumcisions altogether. I'm listening to this nit-wit woman who is pushing this thing and I can't believe what I'm hearing. She insists parents (Jewish or otherwise) have no right to make this decision on behalf of their infant children and that it should be left up to the child at some later point in life to decide for themselves whether to be circumcised. All children should be left with all their body parts intact. She feels any religious reasons for circumcision should be overridden and that any sound medical reasons are arguable.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

So you're throwing a hissyfit because they won't let you mutilate your child's genitals?

 

[hboats]

Is this shit never going to end!!?? Now the state of MA is being encouraged to ban circumcisions altogether. I'm listening to this nit-wit woman who is pushing this thing and I can't believe what I'm hearing. She insists parents (Jewish or otherwise) have no right to make this decision on behalf of their infant children and that it should be left up to the child at some later point in life to decide for themselves whether to be circumcised. All children should be left with all their body parts intact. She feels any religious reasons for circumcision should be overridden and that any sound medical reasons are arguable.

Let me guess, this idiot is also pro choice? Let's let a woman choose to abort or not, but let's not let a parent choose what is best for their infant.

Rick

 

[RodISHI]

The antis strike out again to limit parents freedom to choose what they believe in in the best interest of their children.

 

[uscitizen]

Barbaric religious customs.

Lets just sacrifice some baby sheep instead?

 

[RodISHI]

Barbaric religious customs.

Lets just sacrifice some baby sheep instead?

Rod says, if you want to keep a cheesey bacteria gathering flap of skin on your child go for it. You have no right to prevent another parent from having their child circumcised. Religion out the window on this issue but feel free to beat your drum anyhow.

 

[xotoxi]

Let me guess, this idiot is also pro choice? Let's let a woman choose to abort or not, but let's not let a parent choose what is best for their infant.

So you agree that the government should not be involved in a woman's right to choose?

 

[hboats]

Let me guess, this idiot is also pro choice? Let's let a woman choose to abort or not, but let's not let a parent choose what is best for their infant.

So you agree that the government should not be involved in a woman's right to choose?

I don't believe there should be a LAW one way or another on abortion. No. But, I don't want MY tax dollars to go towards paying for someone to have an abortion either.

Rick

 

[xotoxi]

Let me guess, this idiot is also pro choice? Let's let a woman choose to abort or not, but let's not let a parent choose what is best for their infant.

So you agree that the government should not be involved in a woman's right to choose?

I don't believe there should be a LAW one way or another on abortion. No. But, I don't want MY tax dollars to go towards paying for someone to have an abortion either.

Rick

Do you want your tax dollars going towards paying for someone's circumcision? (i.e, should Medicaid cover infant circs?)

 

[uscitizen]

Circumcision should not be covered by insurance either since it is an elective procedure.
I do not want my rates to be higher because of circumcisions.

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Barbaric religious customs.

Lets just sacrifice some baby sheep instead?

Rod says, if you want to keep a cheesey bacteria gathering flap of skin on your child go for it. You have no right to prevent another parent from having their child circumcised. Religion out the window on this issue but feel free to beat your drum anyhow.

If you want your daughter growing up to commit sin and go to hell, then go ahead. You have no right to prevent another parent from removing their child's labia.

I love this argument- I can do anything I want so long as I claim it's a religious right!

 

[xotoxi]

If you want your daughter growing up to commit sin and go to hell, then go ahead. You have no right to prevent another parent from removing their child's labia.

Are you talking about shortening her mudflaps?

 

[MaggieMae]

Circumcision should not be covered by insurance either since it is an elective procedure.
I do not want my rates to be higher because of circumcisions.

I wonder if insurance covers a gentleman who has been Bobbited?

 

[Dr Gregg]

Is this shit never going to end!!?? Now the state of MA is being encouraged to ban circumcisions altogether. I'm listening to this nit-wit woman who is pushing this thing and I can't believe what I'm hearing. She insists parents (Jewish or otherwise) have no right to make this decision on behalf of their infant children and that it should be left up to the child at some later point in life to decide for themselves whether to be circumcised. All children should be left with all their body parts intact. She feels any religious reasons for circumcision should be overridden and that any sound medical reasons are arguable.

Yeah, cookoo! It's safer to be circumsized

 

[☭proletarian☭]

Based on a review of medical and psychological literature and our own research and experience, we conclude that male circumcision causes serious, generally unrecognized harm and is not advisable. Circumcision is a social and psychological issue that is disguised as a medical issue.

Circumcision Resource CenterCircumcision Myths and Facts

Myth number 2: The intact penis is more susceptible to infection. In infancy the absolute opposite is true. The foreskin is attached to the glans protecting the penis from all bacteria and irritants. What can cause infection is the premature retraction of the foreskin. Pulling the foreskin back before it releases naturally causes tiny micro-tears which introduces and traps bacteria as the foreskin re- adheres to the glans. Never retract the foreskin or allow any medical professional to do so either.


Myth number 4: Circumcision reduces sexually transmitted diseases. I will be short and to the point. The studies done to prove and disprove this theory are extremely conflicted to say the least. What is not under question is the fact that safe sex practices have much more to do with STD's including HIV that circumcision status. So much so, that it seems like insanity to perform surgery on an infant that will only provide a small fraction of what safe sex and condoms will provide.

Most common circumcision myths

le decision for their child.
Myth #1: Circumcision is recommended by doctors and medical organizations
Fact: Circumcision is not recommended by any national medical association in the world. Fifteen national and international medical associations have extensively studied infant circumcision and its effects and found no significant evidence to support this practice. In March 1999, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) concluded that infant circumcision is not recommended as a routine procedure.1 The circumcision policy statements of the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American Academy of Family Physicians have concurred with this position.2-3 The AMA calls infant circumcision “non-therapeutic.”
Myth #2: It’s just a little piece of skin, he won’t miss it.
Fact: The prepuce (foreskin) makes up as much as half of the skin system of the penis.4 It is an extension of the shaft skin that folds over onto itself, completely covering and protecting the glans (an internal organ) and provides the mobility of the shaft skin necessary for frictionless intercourse and masturbation. The foreskin has three known functions: protective, immunological, and sexual. It contains about 10,000 highly specialized nerve endings and several feet of blood vessels. An adult male foreskin, if unfolded and spread out, would be about the size of index card (3 x 5 inches), much more than a “little piece of skin.” Many sexually active men circumcised in adulthood report a significant decrease in sexual pleasure and comfort because of the loss of sensitive nerve endings, skin mobility and natural lubrication.
Myth #3: The care of a circumcised penis is easier than an intact penis.
Fact: For the care of an intact penis, the AAP recommends, “Leave it alone.” 5 No special care is required – an intact child should have the external surface of his penis (and the rest of his body) washed regularly to keep clean. When a male is older and can retract his foreskin (which typically occurs by puberty), a simple rinsing is all that is necessary. 6 Other cultural myths about special cleaning procedures are just that – myth.
Myth #4: Circumcision protects males from urinary tract infections.
Fact: Overall, urinary tract infections (UTI) occur at about the same rate in male and female infants during the first six months of life.7 Regardless of circumcision status, infants who present with their first UTI at 6 months (or less) are likely to have an underlying genitouninary abnormality. In children with a normal underlying anatomy, a study found as many circumcised infants with a UTI as those who retained their foreskin.8 The appropriate treatment for UTI, in males as well as females, is antibiotics, not prophylactic excision of the prepuce. According to the AAP, “Urinary tract infections are usually not life threatening and are easily treated in most cases.” Breastfeeding provides some measure of protection against UTI during the first six months of life.9


Myth #9: Circumcision prevents AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases (STDs).
Fact: Some studies show that circumcision has a slight preventive effect for AIDS and some STDs; however, other studies show an insignificant or opposite effect, especially for chlamydia. The bottom line: sexual practices have a much greater effect on the chance of becoming infected than circumcision status. If someone acts on the misconception that circumcision alone will protect them, they are taking unwise chances.



Myth #10: The history of non-religious circumcision is based on disease prevention.
Fact: Non-ritual circumcision evolved from a misunderstanding of bodily function by physicians of the late-19th century.12 Many doctors of that era believed that a normal foreskin could cause disease and lead to increased incidence of “self-abuse.” John Harvey Kellogg, of cereal fame, was a proponent of genital cutting as a cure for this “horrible practice.” He recommended performing circumcision “without administering an anesthetic, as the pain attending the operation will have a salutary [health-giving] effect upon the mind, especially if connected with the idea of punishment.”

circumcision myths and facts

Routine circumcision as a preventative or cure for masturbation was proposed in Victorian times in America. Masturbation was thought to be the cause of a number of diseases. The procedure of routine circumcision became commonplace between 1870 and 1920, and it consequently spread to all the English-speaking countries (England, Canada, Australia and New Zealand). None of these countries now circumcise the majority of their male children, a distinction reserved today for the United States (in the UK, in fact, nonreligious circumcision has virtually ceased). Yet, there are still those who promote this social surgery, long after the masturbation hysteria of the past century has subsided.

Motivations for "medical" circumcision


Male Circumcision: Pain, Trauma and Psychosexual Sequelae

 

[strollingbones]

Circumcision should not be covered by insurance either since it is an elective procedure.
I do not want my rates to be higher because of circumcisions.

stop being an idiot...are you gonna stop all electives? and why does insurance pay for viagria?

 

[☭proletarian☭]

So you're throwing a hissyfit because they won't let you mutilate your child's genitals?

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[Dr Gregg]

Circumcision should not be covered by insurance either since it is an elective procedure.
I do not want my rates to be higher because of circumcisions.

stop being an idiot...are you gonna stop all electives? and why does insurance pay for viagria?

do they? But probably because its healthier to be sexually active because it releases endorphins, get's your blood pumping, makes someone happier

 

[Granny]

So you're throwing a hissyfit because they won't let you mutilate your child's genitals?

How about I'm throwing a hissyfit because it's another example of how someone else wants to use the law to impose her beliefs on everybody else?

 

[xotoxi]

Circumcision should not be covered by insurance either since it is an elective procedure.
I do not want my rates to be higher because of circumcisions.

stop being an idiot...are you gonna stop all electives? and why does insurance pay for viagria?

Taxpayer-funded health insurance (Medicare, -caid, VA) do not pay for Viagra, Levitra, or Cialis.