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[daws101]

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The problem I have with CTs is that most of you are irrational in thought and illogical in argument. Most of your are in dire need of lessons in proper grammar and spelling as well as taking basic courses on logic.

Ok.

what? English your second language?

 

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The problem I have with CTs is that most of you are irrational in thought and illogical in argument. Most of your are in dire need of lessons in proper grammar and spelling as well as taking basic courses on logic.

So why did building 7 fall in a matter of seconds ??

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

 

[daws101]

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The problem I have with CTs is that most of you are irrational in thought and illogical in argument. Most of your are in dire need of lessons in proper grammar and spelling as well as taking basic courses on logic.

So why did building 7 fall in a matter of seconds ??

Patriots Question 9/11 - Responsible Criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report

just how many seconds?

Some people have said that a failure at one column should not have produced a symmetrical fall like this one. What's your answer to those assertions?
WTC 7's collapse, viewed from the exterior (most videos were taken from the north), did appear to fall almost uniformly as a single unit. This occurred because the interior failures that took place did not cause the exterior framing to fail until the final stages of the building collapse. The interior floor framing and columns collapsed downward and pulled away from the exterior frame. There were clues that internal damage was taking place, prior to the downward movement of the exterior frame, such as when the east penthouse fell downward into the building and windows broke out on the north face at the ends of the building core. The symmetric appearance of the downward fall of the WTC 7 was primarily due to the greater stiffness and strength of its exterior frame relative to the interior framing.

In a video, it appears that WTC 7 is descending in free fall, something that would not occur in the structural collapse that you describe. How can you ignore basic laws of physics?
In the draft WTC 7 report (released Aug. 21, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/media/NIST_NCSTAR_1A_for_public_comment.pdf), NIST stated that the north face of the building descended 18 stories (the portion of the collapse visible in the video) in 5.4 seconds, based on video analysis of the building collapse. This time period is 40 percent longer than the 3.9 seconds this process would have taken if the north face of the building had descended solely under free fall conditions. During the public comment period on the draft report, NIST was asked to confirm this time difference and define the reasons for it in greater detail.

To further clarify the descent of the north face, NIST recorded the downward displacement of a point near the center of the roofline from first movement until the north face was no longer visible in the video. Numerical analyses were conducted to calculate the velocity and acceleration of the roofline point from the time-dependent displacement data. The instant at which vertical motion of the roofline first occurred was determined by tracking the numerical value of the brightness of a pixel (a single element in the video image) at the roofline. This pixel became brighter as the roofline began to descend because the color of the pixel started to change from that of the building façade to the lighter color of the sky.

The approach taken by NIST is summarized in Section 3.6 of the final summary report, NCSTAR 1A (released Nov. 20, 2008; available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1A.pdf) and detailed in Section 12.5.3 of NIST NCSTAR 1-9 (available at http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR 1-9 Vol 2.pdf).

The analyses of the video (both the estimation of the instant the roofline began to descend and the calculated velocity and acceleration of a point on the roofline) revealed three distinct stages characterizing the 5.4 seconds of collapse:

Stage 1 (0 to 1.75 seconds): acceleration less than that of gravity (i.e., slower than free fall).
Stage 2 (1.75 to 4.0 seconds): gravitational acceleration (free fall)
Stage 3 (4.0 to 5.4 seconds): decreased acceleration, again less than that of gravity

This analysis showed that the 40 percent longer descent time—compared to the 3.9 second free fall time—was due primarily to Stage 1, which corresponded to the buckling of the exterior columns in the lower stories of the north face. During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above. In Stage 3, the acceleration decreased as the upper portion of the north face encountered increased resistance from the collapsed structure and the debris pile below


Is it possible that thermite or thermate contributed to the collapse of WTC 7?
NIST has looked at the application and use of thermite and has determined that its use to sever columns in WTC 7 on 9/11/01 was unlikely.

Thermite is a combination of aluminum powder and a metal oxide that releases a tremendous amount of heat when ignited. It is typically used to weld railroad rails together by melting a small quantity of steel and pouring the melted steel into a form between the two rails.

To apply thermite to a large steel column, approximately 0.13 lb of thermite would be needed to heat and melt each pound of steel. For a steel column that weighs approximately 1,000 lbs. per foot, at least 100 lbs. of thermite would need to be placed around the column, ignited, and remain in contact with the vertical steel surface as the thermite reaction took place. This is for one column . presumably, more than one column would have been prepared with thermite, if this approach were to be used.

It is unlikely that 100 lbs. of thermite, or more, could have been carried into WTC 7 and placed around columns without being detected, either prior to Sept. 11 or during that day.

Given the fires that were observed that day, and the demonstrated structural response to the fires, NIST does not believe that thermite was used to fail any columns in WTC 7.

Analysis of the WTC steel for the elements in thermite/thermate would not necessarily have been conclusive. The metal compounds also would have been present in the construction materials making up the WTC buildings, and sulfur is present in the gypsum wallboard used for interior partitions.

An emergency responder caught in the building between the 6th and 8th floors says he heard two loud booms. Isn't that evidence that there was an explosion?
The sound levels reported by all witnesses do not match the sound level of an explosion that would have been required to cause the collapse of the building. If the two loud booms were due to explosions that were responsible for the collapse of WTC 7, the emergency responder-located somewhere between the 6th and 8th floors in WTC 7-would not have been able to survive the near immediate collapse and provide this witness account.

In June 2009, NIST began releasing documents in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request from the International Center for 9/11 Studies for "all of the photographs and videos collected, reviewed, cited or in any other way used by NIST during its investigation of the World Trade Center building collapses." One of the items released, a video obtained from NBC News , shows World Trade Center Building 7 (WTC 7) in the moments before it collapsed, then cuts to the collapse already in progress, with the building's east penthouse "disappearing" from the scene (as it had already fallen in the intervening time). Other videos of the WTC 7 collapse show the penthouse falling first, followed by the rest of the building. Did NIST edit the NBC News video to remove the collapse of the penthouse?
The video footage released under the FOIA request was copied from the original video exactly as it was received from NBC News, with video documentation of the WTC 7 east penthouse collapse missing. The footage was not edited in any way by NIST.

http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm

 

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[Rat in the Hat]

In other news, I have discovered that the Thousand Island dressing I just bought was missing three islands.

 

[daws101]

In other news, I have discovered that the Thousand Island dressing I just bought was missing three islands.

that's nothing ,did you know that Canadian bacon is actually ham!

 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnkdfFAqsHA]JFK Blows The Whistle on Secret Societies! - YouTube[/ame]

 

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[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY]Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube[/ame]

 

[whitehall]

Just because you are paranoid it doesn't mean they aren't out to get you either.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Why is there no plural form for the word "sheep"?

Did the NWO and the Bilderburgs erase it from our language?

 

[daws101]

JFK Blows The Whistle on Secret Societies! - YouTube

 

[Rat in the Hat]

JFK Blows The Whistle on Secret Societies! - YouTube

 

[percysunshine]

In other news, I have discovered that the Thousand Island dressing I just bought was missing three islands.

Every man is an island.

So that would have been Perry, Huntsman, and Cain.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

I think the Canadians are conspiring to ruin American civilization.

My evidence, you ask?

They sent us Justin Bieber, Celiene Dion, Brendan Fraser, and especially, Bryan Adams.

 

[daws101]

In other news, I have discovered that the Thousand Island dressing I just bought was missing three islands.

Every man is an island.

So that would have been Perry, Huntsman, and Cain.

what would that make bachmann? a spit ....

 

[percysunshine]

In other news, I have discovered that the Thousand Island dressing I just bought was missing three islands.

Every man is an island.

So that would have been Perry, Huntsman, and Cain.

what would that make bachmann? a spit ....

Different conspiracy.

Hillary took her out.

 

[daws101]

I think the Canadians are conspiring to ruin American civilization.

My evidence, you ask?

They sent us Justin Bieber, Celiene Dion, Brendan Fraser, and especially, Bryan Adams.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SDrqa-eTXU]South Park: Blame Canada Song & Video HD - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Rat in the Hat]

In other news, I have discovered that the Thousand Island dressing I just bought was missing three islands.

Every man is an island.

So that would have been Perry, Huntsman, and Cain.

Actually, the 3 that were missing were Oahu, Cayman Brac, and Espiritu Santo.

 

[percysunshine]

I think the Canadians are conspiring to ruin American civilization.

My evidence, you ask?

They sent us Justin Bieber, Celiene Dion, Brendan Fraser, and especially, Bryan Adams.

And Mark Steyn. Even paranoids have enemies.

 

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Eisenhower warns us of the military industrial complex. - YouTube